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Post by sunshinecoastkid on Oct 4, 2008 15:47:28 GMT -8
Now that the Queen of Tsawwassen is retired, What ferry will replace the Queen of Burnaby when in refit? I hope they don't replace her with the Island Sky. Only because it can get rough, trust me I live their. One time I was on the Queen of Burnaby and it was so rough water was coming in. So imagine an open car decked ferry on that route. If anyone has ideas I'd like to see them  |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 4, 2008 16:55:45 GMT -8
The Queen of Chilliwack.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 4, 2008 16:58:55 GMT -8
I've heard that the Chilliwack cannot run on that route, until they dredge out the dock at Little River. Her Rads hang down too low. As it is, sometimes the Burnaby's bow can just barely touch the sand on a really low tide.
I've heard they'd bring the Nanny up, and then run the Chilliwack on Route 9 for the time being.
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Post by corporalrabbinoff on Oct 4, 2008 21:20:02 GMT -8
Thats about the only logical thing they can do. However this thing about a open car deck vessle not allowed to sail the open water between the Island and the Mainland must be fairly new. The Queen of Alberni used to sail route 1 and did sail rt 2 and 30 without the main deck doors untill the mid 90's. So I personaly do not see the problem. Please enlighten me.  |
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Post by Quatchi on Oct 4, 2008 21:32:39 GMT -8
The Alberni's MCD is considerably higher than the other smaller open deck vessels. Just look at the current Forum Flagship Image you can see that the MCD on the Alberni is about 1.5 times higher than on the Bowen/Mayne Queen to the left. I highly doubt that IS will run on PR/LR route. The Chilliwack and Nanaimo switching would make the most sense unless they decide to dredge out the LR berth.
Cheers,
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Post by corporalrabbinoff on Oct 4, 2008 21:37:10 GMT -8
That is true. Thanx for that
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Post by Dane on Oct 5, 2008 6:06:32 GMT -8
But the Alberni's MCD used to be open... must have to do with the depth of the hull or perhaps her overall weight?
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 5, 2008 8:29:18 GMT -8
Here are my questions:
- The Chilliwack holds 115 cars and has a max speed of 14 knots with a good following wind. Can it keep the schedule or meet the demand on route 9?
- Which route has a greater need for a 192 car 17/18 knot vessel?
- On which route will the patrons scream the loudest when confronted with the Wack for two or three months?
It seems to me that BCFS better get moving on a dredging project at Little River.
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Post by sunshinecoastkid on Oct 5, 2008 10:41:53 GMT -8
I think the Queen of Chilliwack would be fine for the winter times, but in the long weekends and vacation times it can get packed, one time my family got left behind and we were there for a hour!. I think it would be best to put the Nanny on.
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Post by Mike C on Oct 5, 2008 11:02:36 GMT -8
I think the Queen of Chilliwack would be fine for the winter times, but in the long weekends and vacation times it can get packed, one time my family got left behind and we were there for a hour!. I think it would be best to put the Nanny on. for only an hour? on a forum trip, the Tsawwassen left me behind, even though I showed up 30 min early as a bike-on, from the last sailing of the night. I had to go to Victoria to get home. Trust me, anything smaller than the Nanaimo, and disaster strikes... |
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Post by Hardy on Oct 5, 2008 13:44:51 GMT -8
Thats about the only logical thing they can do. However this thing about a open car deck vessle not allowed to sail the open water between the Island and the Mainland must be fairly new. The Queen of Alberni used to sail route 1 and did sail rt 2 and 30 without the main deck doors untill the mid 90's. So I personaly do not see the problem. Those routes (and the Alberni) were down here at the "South" part of Vancouver Island in generally more "protected" waters than those found up near the "North" part of the Island, up towards Comox (Little River). Differing weather/wind patterns up in the Powell River/Comox/Campbell River area. The other discussion about the SMALLER vessels (lower displacement etc) is also valid, but the more northerly location (weather/tides/wind/etc) is probably the largest contributing factors. |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Oct 5, 2008 14:32:48 GMT -8
Regs and International standards have become more and more detailed and protective. Transport Canada has been moving towards international standards so are changing and tightening up on a lot of things. The need to retire the V's and QPR are two examples. Particularly when it comes to open ferry decks and even enclosed ferry decks with single compartments. The movement of water over large services like these has become a particular target after the major ferry disasters that have happened.
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Post by chinook2 on Oct 5, 2008 14:59:26 GMT -8
Back to minor vessel strait crossings: Draft, bow configuration, and hull style would determine the seaworthiness of an open decked minor vessel.
Remember, Tenaka was purpose built for rte. 17. On the other hand, the Mill Bay, basically a floating soap dish with a prop and rudder, is only ticketed to operate in the calm waters of Saanich Inlet. Operating the Bowen across the strait in summer is as much of a stretch as regulations allow for.
The Wack should work fine on rte. 9, but IMHO should be scheduled so Tachek can supplement on peak days.
Here's a less efficient alternative.......QofNW relieves the Nanny, bypasses Sturdies Bay, and Galiano traffic transfers to/from the Cumbie or Mayne to complete thier trips.
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Post by Quatchi on Oct 5, 2008 14:59:56 GMT -8
But the Alberni's MCD used to be open... must have to do with the depth of the hull or perhaps her overall weight? What i am getting at is that you would have needed a much bigger wave to come over the deck of the Alberni than the Bowen/Mayne. TC probably doesn't just say no open decked vessels period. They probably say no open decked vessels where the deck is less than XXm above the waterline. There are probably a few little points like this. It inst all black and white. Cheers, |
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 5, 2008 20:08:17 GMT -8
Correct me if I'm wrong, but perhaps BCF had to enclose the cardeck fully on the Alberni, after the Estonia disaster? They ended up welding the bow visors on the QPR and the QOTN shut until they found the solution of adding a watertight door behind the visor.
The Bowen Queen is also only certified to go across the Strait during the summertime.
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Post by Scott on Oct 5, 2008 21:33:10 GMT -8
The Estonia disaster happened 10 years after the Alberni was lifted.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 5, 2008 21:41:33 GMT -8
Yup, I realize that. Sorry, I should have been a little more specific. What I meant was that they installed the bow doors on her in the early 90's didn't they? I've seen lots of photos of her in Expo colours, but not with the Expo 86 logo, but had no bow doors.
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Post by Dane on Oct 5, 2008 21:43:49 GMT -8
Bow doors were there in 1992 for sure due to her damage from hitting the coal carrying vessel. I believe they were there straight from lifting
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 5, 2008 22:01:51 GMT -8
No, the doors were not installed at the time of lifting. I believe that it was about 1992. Queen of Alberni at Departure Bay - c1986 in Expo colour [ DOT photo ©] |
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Post by Scott on Oct 5, 2008 22:15:01 GMT -8
Oh, I didn't realize she had no doors before 1992... interesting.
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Post by Dane on Oct 5, 2008 22:15:02 GMT -8
Alberni re-enters service in Jun 84 after lifting. In May 1986 she has work done to enlarge her passenger capacity. Presumably this was when the areas I have highlighted below were filled in:  Could this also be when the doors went in? |
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Oct 6, 2008 10:31:05 GMT -8
The Alberni had her bow doors installed about a year after she commenced service on rte 30.
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Post by bpawlett on Apr 19, 2009 9:18:01 GMT -8
Just curious on what ship replaces the burnaby when she is in refit.
I was thinking the nanaimo or chilliwack?
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Post by Kahloke on Apr 19, 2009 10:46:24 GMT -8
Direct from BC Ferries:
Service Notice - Temporary Replacement Vessel
Posted Friday, April 17, 200
Note: This Service Notice applies to the following route(s):
- Comox (Little River) - Powell River (Westview)
Beginning Tuesday, May 19, the Queen of Chilliwack will replace the Queen of Burnaby, which is being removed from service to undergo necessary dry-docking. This work is expected to take approximately ten days. During this period, a modified schedule will be in place to accommodate the slower speed of the Queen of Chilliwack. The revised schedule is as follows:
Leave Comox (Little River)
5:40 a.m.
10:05 a.m.
2:30 p.m.
6:55 p.m.
Leave Powell River (Westview)
7:55 a.m.
12:20 p.m.
4:45 p.m.
8:55 p.m.
As the Queen of Chilliwack has a smaller vehicle and passenger capacity, please note that overloads may occur. Thursday, Friday and Sunday are especially busy travel days. Where possible, passengers are encouraged to plan ahead and consider car pooling, travelling outside of peak sailing times and/or arriving at the terminal early for their desired sailing.
Due to the configuration of the Queen of Chilliwack, there is a possibility of restrictions of certain vehicle types at varying tidal heights. Commercial customers are advised to contact the Customer Service Centre at 1-888-BCFERRY (1-888-223-3779) to ensure that commercial vehicle dimensions fit the Queen of Chilliwack’s loading specifications at their desired time of travel.
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Post by Ferryman on Apr 19, 2009 10:59:27 GMT -8
I actually found it quite interesting they have to adjust the schedule for the Chilliwack. She's a double ender, and can maintain the speed that the Queen of Burnaby normally does on the route, which is about 12-13 knots.
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