Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 25, 2006 14:15:45 GMT -8
As the title says the SOBC will be the first to go out for refit begining Monday Jan 8th. The Queen of Vancouver will be the replacement. The Queen of Saanich will still be doing the extra sailings out of SB along with the SOVI until Friday Feb 9th when the SOVI goes out for her refit and will be replaced by the Saanich and the Esquimalt will be doing the extra sailings out of SB. But on Feb 14th the Esquimalt will be replacing the Coquitlam on route 30 so I am not sure what ship will be on route 1 doing the extra sailings as Friday the 16th the Esquimalt is listed on both route 30 and route 1 so maybe the Vancouver will be extra out of Swartz Bay. Who knows! Looks like some trips on the V's in new year for us.
This is all according to RBI!
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Post by jcachristian on Dec 25, 2006 16:12:01 GMT -8
Merry xmass John, according to a BC Ferry employee the Queen of Esquimalt will replace the Coquitlam. The Vancouver will then replace the Queen of Saanich as the #2 ship out of Swartz Bay.
As of Feb 15
Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay= Spirit of BC
Tsawwassen to Duke Point= Queen of New West
Duke Point to Tsawwassen= Queen of Esquimalt
Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen= Queen of Saanich(SpofVi sailings)
Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen= Queen of Vancouver(Qof Saan sailings)
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 25, 2006 20:57:55 GMT -8
Does anyone remember when the last time that the Queen of Vancouver was operated out of Swartz Bay?
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Dec 26, 2006 22:13:07 GMT -8
the last time the Queen of Vancouver was operating out of Deaparture Bay was last spring when on a holliday when the Queen of Saanich was replacing the SOVI and the Queen of Esquimalt was doing extra service on Route 2 so the Queen of Vancouver had to do extra sailing out of Swartz Bay. However I think BC ferries should swap the extra sailings and have the Queen of Vancouver stay at Tsawwassen.
sail at 10:00 TSW to SB, 12:00 SB to TSW, 14:00 TSW to SB, 16:00 SB to TSW
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 26, 2006 22:35:22 GMT -8
Why??? The Queen of Vancouver has sailed before from Swartz Bay doing extra sailings in place of the Saanich. Why mess up the schedule.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Dec 26, 2006 22:54:34 GMT -8
I was looking on RBI and it seems that the Queen of Esquimalt has been double booked for Feb.23. How does this work. Just thought i would ask: if the 3 V's are on the TSW-SWB, will it be Queen of Saanich and Esquimalt passing in active pass? (that would be really cool to see since they are twin sisters!)
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 26, 2006 23:00:07 GMT -8
The Queen of Esquimalt will probably be on route 30 replacing the Coquitlam as I dont think the Vancouver has operated the Alberni sailings before on route 30. I know the Esquimalt has so the Vancouver will probably replace the Saanich out of Swartz Bay. There will be only two V's on route 1 as the SOBC will be in service!
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Dec 26, 2006 23:02:54 GMT -8
Check on RBI yourself! It says Queen of Esquimalt is doing TSW-SWB and TSW- Duke Point! This may be wrong, but that is what I read.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 26, 2006 23:12:17 GMT -8
I checked RBI so one of them is wrong as the Esquimalt cant be on 2 routes at the same time. They obviously cant get their V class ships straight. But my opinion is the Vancouver will be out of SB and the Esquimalt on route 30 I dont get why you say 3 V's on TSA to SB.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 27, 2006 0:28:48 GMT -8
the last time the Queen of Vancouver was operating out of Deaparture Bay was last spring... I'm assuming that you mean Swartz Bay.  |
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Dec 27, 2006 9:55:22 GMT -8
Lol, this is quite confusing! We will just have to wait and see what is going to happen!
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Post by Hardy on Jan 7, 2007 17:42:31 GMT -8
This could have been answered somewhere already and I just missed it. With SOBC being on refit and the much smaller QoEsq running out of TSA, doesn't the liklihood of "first sailing overloads" seem very likely? I know that the first sailing out of SWB is busy too, but with all the commercial traffic headed to the Island, wouldn't "swapping ships" make sense? I know that there are some logistical headaches involved ... but I am more thinking out loud here. I know that last sailing is popular amongst commercial travellers also, but I would tend to think that the bulk of the commercial traffic would be AM-based. Just my two cents worth here. I'd like to hear other's view on this as well to see if I am too far out in the wilderness on this.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 7, 2007 19:50:08 GMT -8
Well they could switch but it's unlikely BC Ferries would ever do that. They could also run the Saanich too during the week, not just on Fridays and Sunday, while the SOBC is out of service.
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 7, 2007 20:19:03 GMT -8
www.bcferries.com/news/files/07-001sobcrefit.pdfI guess BC Ferries is going to start posting News Releases as well as Service Notices about Ferry refits now. I like the News Release idea, as it gives a little bit more detail on what work will be done.
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Post by hergfest on Jan 8, 2007 2:58:07 GMT -8
I think they just do service notices about the Spirit Class due to them being "special".
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Jan 9, 2007 17:47:43 GMT -8
anyway why is the Queen of Esquimalt replacing the Spirit of British Columbia and not the Queen of Vancouver?
or does no one know
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Post by Mike C on Jan 9, 2007 18:05:05 GMT -8
Queen of Esquimalt has a larger vehicle capacity, I believe.
Though (please correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't the Queen of Saanich the #3 boat on Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay? Wouldn't that be the normal replacement at a time like this?
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Post by hergfest on Jan 9, 2007 18:42:46 GMT -8
When the SOBC goes out of service, they used the Tsawaassen based vessel to replace her. The Sannich's crew is based out of Victoria, so that is where she always ties up at night. And I can only assume that the Esquimalt is in for the Vancouver because the Vancouver is in for refit. The Vancouver carries the same amount of cars as the Esquimalt. The Esq only lists as carrying more cars because of her platforms which they don't use anymore.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 9, 2007 21:43:04 GMT -8
All three V's before Christmas were in Esquimalt having work done so are they doing more work on the Vancouver??? It dosent really matter which V replaces the Spirit ships. The Queen of Saanich is the nicest out of them all but passenger capacity is more important I think! I was on the 7pm from TSA tonight on the Queen of Esquimalt and it wasent full. Almost but not quite. Pretty windy out there too! And they do have the upper aft lounge open on the Esquimalt which is good!
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Post by staffer on Feb 12, 2007 14:58:27 GMT -8
The Vancouver has been on route 30 before and based out of Duke Point. It is strange that the Van is not on route 30 right now because it has the highest clearance of the V class vessels at 4.31 metres. The Saanich is 15 cm lower and 20cm lower for the Esquimalt at 4.11m.
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Post by Hardy on Feb 12, 2007 20:12:27 GMT -8
The Vancouver has been on route 30 before and based out of Duke Point. It is strange that the Van is not on route 30 right now because it has the highest clearance of the V class vessels at 4.31 metres. The Saanich is 15 cm lower and 20cm lower for the Esquimalt at 4.11m. Highest _legal_ load height allowed on roadways is 4.15m, although a standard is 4.12m (13'6" for those metrically impaired). For standard highway trucks, you won't find many over 4.12 - this is the standard for freight trailers and intermodal containers on chassis. Flatdeck loads are also built to this height due to overpass and other considerations. I would doubt that someone would stack a trailer higher than legal road height just for a ferry ride. You'd really have to watch your route and be super careful not to whack anything!! Just my two cents worth from this side of the equation! |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 12, 2007 20:34:47 GMT -8
But wouldn't those extra few centimetres of ferry clearance be useful re loading/unloading the ferry, when the truck goes up or down the ramp ?
Otherwise, you'd need some vaseline to lube up the truck, to squeeze it into the car-deck.......and I mean that in the pure truck / ferry sense of the subject.
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Post by Barnacle on Feb 12, 2007 22:02:47 GMT -8
Mr. Horn-- I've worked a whopping one day out at Port Townsend/Keystone on the venerable Klickitat, adn we had a situation with a very tall truck close to V-max, and a low tide. The mate and I got into a huddle about how to offload said double-tanker... we ended up unloading the front half of the boat and holding everyone else back to give the boat extra trim to jockey a few extra inches of clearance. We needed 'em, too.  |
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Post by staffer on Feb 13, 2007 12:52:41 GMT -8
The Vancouver has been on route 30 before and based out of Duke Point. It is strange that the Van is not on route 30 right now because it has the highest clearance of the V class vessels at 4.31 metres. The Saanich is 15 cm lower and 20cm lower for the Esquimalt at 4.11m. Highest _legal_ load height allowed on roadways is 4.15m, although a standard is 4.12m (13'6" for those metrically impaired). For standard highway trucks, you won't find many over 4.12 - this is the standard for freight trailers and intermodal containers on chassis. Flatdeck loads are also built to this height due to overpass and other considerations. I would doubt that someone would stack a trailer higher than legal road height just for a ferry ride. You'd really have to watch your route and be super careful not to whack anything!! Just my two cents worth from this side of the equation! I understand what you are saying but, if the standard legal height limit is 4.15 metres, why is it that the Queen of Alberni has a clearance of 4.67m and the other four C-class vessels clearance are 10cm lower. The S-class vessels are 4.59m. |
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 13, 2007 15:17:42 GMT -8
If you drive a truck down an angled ramp on to the flat deck of a ferry, the actual clearance the truck needs is greater than the height of the truck. To get a sense of this, take a shoebox and put it on the counter. Measure its height from the counter surface at the center. Then tip one end up a little and remeasure the height from the counter surface at the center again. As you will see, the box is higher, therefore, more clearance is required.
As Barnacle pointed out, you can cheat the geometry a little by angling the deck of the ferry a little as it puts surfaces closer to the same plane.
The Alberni probably has more clearance as she was specifically designed to take truck traffic, and the greater clearance might allow her to take some over-height loads the other vessels could not accommodate.
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