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Post by lmtengs on May 20, 2010 18:06:26 GMT -8
I once bought a Volvo at wholesale prices from a large car dealership, because it was the dirtiest car I had ever seen. They had taken it in on a trade and because it was so dirty, just wanted to unload it without doing anything. In fact even then none of the usual low ball car lots wanted it either. I heard about it, from a friend who worked there and had the same impression, until I looked under the hood, the running gear was perfect and well maintained. It took me over a week to get it cleaned up, but once it was, it shined. I drove it for over 150,000 miles until I got hit by a plumbing truck. I walked away, but it died protecting me. Had I acted like the other potential buyers did, I would have missed out. I agree with Scott, perception is everything. Like the potential Volvo buyers, most people believe the bad condition of the exterior is indictative of lack of care for the rest of the vessel. No rider is going to going or able to look below the surface. Even patch up painting looks as if someone cares. There has to be a way or a way made to economically do this. Jim I wish cars were still built that well today
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Post by steamfan on May 20, 2010 21:20:55 GMT -8
My grandfather hired out on PSN during the summer of 1945 working on the Kitsap on the Mukilteo-Columbia Beach run. Many times he has told me about painting the vessels hanging on a plank with the mate watching to make sure the brush was not dipped too frequently. He also mentioned that all colors of paint in the Black Ball years were stocked on board except for red. The red was quite unstable and needed to be mixed right before application. The cabin watchman would mix up the paint and get the mate's approval to apply it. Stories from a time long past...
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Post by SS Shasta on Jul 2, 2010 15:42:09 GMT -8
I was just looking at the photo of MV Yakima as she left the yard after (some) painting. Her side along the lower car deck was still dripping with rust. Why does it take so long to complete a paint job? Why can't painting be completed in a single trip to the yard? I remember reading that MV Evergreen State will also return to the yard soon for additional paint. Didn't that project start last year?
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 2, 2010 17:19:25 GMT -8
I was just looking at the photo of MV Yakima as she left the yard after (some) painting. Her side along the lower car deck was still dripping with rust. Why does it take so long to complete a paint job? Why can't painting be completed in a single trip to the yard? I remember reading that MV Evergreen State will also return to the yard soon for additional paint. Didn't that project start last year? Yakima only got her topside and interior parts painted because they weren't able to secure drydock time for her. All of this work was done dockside, and due to stringent regulations, they could not paint her sides while sitting in the water. That can only be done while in drydock, and Yakima is scheduled to go into drydock next year for just that purpose. The same thing goes for Evergreen State and Chelan. They were only able to paint those parts of the vessel allowed by regulations in accordance to where the work was being performed. In the case of Chelan, the outside got painted while she was in drydock this winter. Now they need to go back and finish off the insides when she gets some dockside time. The other factor is the lack of vessels in the WSF fleet, and the impact that has on maintenance schedules.
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Post by Rhody on Aug 2, 2010 4:35:44 GMT -8
The rust produces such a nice glow on the water MV Hyak
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Post by chief on Aug 2, 2010 6:27:47 GMT -8
In the case of the Hyak, the paint job tells the fuller story. She is in the condition she appears to be. The ship has extensive steel deterioration and will require quite a bit more work to resolve. The hull is relatively sound due to recent work and the new CG emphasis on the hull steel but there is considerable deterioration throughout the cabin. It is a problem typical of all of the Supers, particularly in restrooms which used salt water for flushing for three decades and in areas around the steam heaters.
The Hyak has not recieved a full renovation as the other vessels in her class. She had been designated for retirement once the Supers and Jumbos were preserved. Now with the shortage of large vessels and no 144s in sight, the Hyak will get a more extensive renovation at the age of 50+.
The question now becomes are the Supers the new Steel Electrics?
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 2, 2010 6:37:38 GMT -8
They Hyak was on the docket for a renovation next year, last I heard... have you any news to the contrary? If not, then the Hyak will "only" be 44. Seriously, though... even with the unfunded mandate from the Legislature demanding vessels be retired at the age of sixty (which means the Rhododendron is three years late, and won't be gone until she's 65), I would be surprised if the Supers gone by 2027--at least, all of them. I suspect all but the Elwha will be pressed for a few more years at a minimum. OTOH, I'd like to be able to retire with the last of the Supers...
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Post by chief on Aug 2, 2010 7:22:51 GMT -8
Barnacle, the full renovation of Hyak probably can't happen so soon as next year.
The propulsion system upgrade has hit a substantial snag in that certain technical problems were not considered before the new machinery was ordered. Now that these problems are necessary to resolve, a different direction is necessary and will require more time to engineer and a different OFM package than what was previously ordered. Of course completely revised specifications.
So if the Hyak is going into the shipyard in 2011 it does not seem likely that the full renovation of the ship will be undertaken. The ship does need 2-3 months for paint and it would be logical to schedule that in advance of a subsequent propulsion system overhaul. A paint job could not be accomplished simultaneously with the opened car decks a propulsion package would require. On the other hand a propulsion system and an interior preservation are compatible.
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Post by SS Shasta on Oct 16, 2010 8:40:17 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 16, 2010 9:03:56 GMT -8
Hyak is scheduled to go into drydock for two months starting around the middle of November, so chances are pretty good that she will get painted during that time. Yakima goes into drydock next March to get the rest of the exterior painted, the parts they could not do this year when she was dockside. Would they apply the federal money to one or both of those projects, or would it be for another ferry altogether?
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 16, 2010 14:13:00 GMT -8
Hyak is scheduled to go into drydock for two months starting around the middle of November, so chances are pretty good that she will get painted during that time. Yakima goes into drydock next March to get the rest of the exterior painted, the parts they could not do this year when she was dockside. Would they apply the federal money to one or both of those projects, or would it be for another ferry altogether? See the Hyak thread. I quoted the part of the bid packet, which included the info that she will be painted when she goes into drydock this fall. Not sure where she'll be going...bidding doesn't close until October 28th.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2010 18:15:05 GMT -8
WSF is starting to paint the WSDOT Logo on the funnels of other ferries now. Here's Kaleetan at Colman Dock tonight. The designer side of me cringes when I see where they placed the logo. They should have centered it in the white area.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 29, 2010 18:18:49 GMT -8
Oh dear... that's awful.
Besides, I felt the hubcaps really didn't do anything to enhance the appearance of the boats; I think their re-appearance has something to do with WSF being aggressively drawn back in to WSDOT after being pushed aside for years; the equivalent of 'Big Brother Is Watching You.'
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Post by rusty on Oct 29, 2010 19:11:36 GMT -8
Barnacle, with all the cameras on a ferryboat I'd a figured you were watching us.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 29, 2010 20:00:26 GMT -8
Well, I spend a fair amount of time watching the cameras, but mostly to make sure the modular homes don't knock 'em off the overhead.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 31, 2010 21:57:24 GMT -8
WSF is starting to paint the WSDOT Logo on the funnels of other ferries now. Here's Kaleetan at Colman Dock tonight. The designer side of me cringes when I see where they placed the logo. They should have centered it in the white area. At least on KITTITAS, the 'T' is centered in the white:
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 31, 2010 22:39:40 GMT -8
The logos are centered, just the Hyak's one is smaller than on the Kittitas
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 1, 2010 6:32:29 GMT -8
I do believe that's the Kaleetan... the Hyak hasn't been re-branded yet.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 1, 2010 14:14:16 GMT -8
I do believe that's the Kaleetan... the Hyak hasn't been re-branded yet. That IS the Kaleetan. Hyak is covered in rust right now. This one is not.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 1, 2010 14:40:53 GMT -8
I do believe that's the Kaleetan... the Hyak hasn't been re-branded yet. That IS the Kaleetan. Hyak is covered in rust right now. This one is not. ....it depends on which side of the Hyak you are looking at.
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Post by FNS on Nov 1, 2010 14:43:45 GMT -8
That IS the Kaleetan. Hyak is covered in rust right now. This one is not. ....it depends on which side of the Hyak you are looking at. Strangely to say, the HYAK is in the San Juans right now and the KALEETAN is on the Bremerton run.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 1, 2010 15:44:28 GMT -8
The logos are centered, just the Hyak's one is smaller than on the Kittitas The logo on Kaleetan appears to be centered on the stack, but it needs to be centered in the white area between the green band below and the black stripe above. It's out of sync with the other elements (ie. the afore-mentioned stripes) on the funnel. That's partly why that particular execution looks so bad. The other reason is that the green paint colour is not exactly the same as the rest of the green. It's a smidge lighter, which also doesn't look "quite right".
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 1, 2010 21:08:30 GMT -8
The 'Flying T' has never been ferryboat green. It was roadsign green.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 3, 2013 20:42:34 GMT -8
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I have a question: Are there any plans to re-paint the JMIIs in the near future? On all three boats, there's many places where the primer is now showing. At least that's true about the Tacoma and Wenatchee, but I don't know what kind of shape the Puyallup is in. They should at least do some touch-up, since most of the paint has been peeling on places where if it was re-painted, it'd would be impossible for the paint to go in the water. The places in need of paint are the outside of the solariums, the outside of the shelters on each end, and below the pilothouse. I don't see how hard it would be to re-paint those, since the paint can't easily get in the water.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 3, 2013 21:11:43 GMT -8
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I have a question: Are there any plans to re-paint the JMIIs in the near future? On all three boats, there's many places where the primer is now showing. At least that's true about the Tacoma and Wenatchee, but I don't know what kind of shape the Puyallup is in. They should at least do some touch-up, since most of the paint has been peeling on places where if it was re-painted, it'd would be impossible for the paint to go in the water. The places in need of paint are the outside of the solariums, the outside of the shelters on each end, and below the pilothouse. I don't see how hard it would be to re-paint those, since the paint can't easily get in the water. Well I don't know but WSF has resigned from painting a vessel anywhere while it is in service (read: not in Eagle Harbor/Vigor/Dakota Creek). I guess you'll just have to live with them just like the Chelan, Yakima and Hyak a few years back. I hope that when they get repainted the Tacoma keeps her green benches and the Wenatchee/Puyallup their whites. It's one of their only easy distinctions if you can't read their names.
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