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Post by Sammy Sam Samish on Feb 26, 2017 17:26:16 GMT -8
I noticed the other day that the Issaquah Class whistles used to be a much lower pitch just a few years ago. The Walla Walla's #1 end whistle was recently changed to a really high pitched, almost range whistle like, tone. Why change them? I have been around boats and USCG regulations for a long time, and I have never heard of 'whistle pitch' being something mariners had to take into account (besides the whole purpose of a range whistle, but I'm talking about the main ship's whistle). Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?
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Post by Barnacle on Feb 27, 2017 16:34:50 GMT -8
I noticed the other day that the Issaquah Class whistles used to be a much lower pitch just a few years ago. The Walla Walla's #1 end whistle was recently changed to a really high pitched, almost range whistle like, tone. Why change them? I have been around boats and USCG regulations for a long time, and I have never heard of 'whistle pitch' being something mariners had to take into account (besides the whole purpose of a range whistle, but I'm talking about the main ship's whistle). Does anyone know the reasoning behind this? Which Issaquah boats have changed? Are you sure they weren't just testing the ranging whistles? There are frequency limitations for vessel size listed in the COLREGS. Certain pitch ranges are reserved for vessels of a size range.
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Post by Sammy Sam Samish on Feb 27, 2017 18:34:40 GMT -8
I noticed the other day that the Issaquah Class whistles used to be a much lower pitch just a few years ago. The Walla Walla's #1 end whistle was recently changed to a really high pitched, almost range whistle like, tone. Why change them? I have been around boats and USCG regulations for a long time, and I have never heard of 'whistle pitch' being something mariners had to take into account (besides the whole purpose of a range whistle, but I'm talking about the main ship's whistle). Does anyone know the reasoning behind this? Which Issaquah boats have changed? Are you sure they weren't just testing the ranging whistles? There are frequency limitations for vessel size listed in the COLREGS. Certain pitch ranges are reserved for vessels of a size range. The Issaquah, Kitsap (Only End. 2), Cathlamet (Only End. 2), Chelan, and the Sealth were changed (along with the Walla Walla). I was on the pickleforks right above the range whistle when the whistle was sounded, and I am sure that it was the Ship's Whistle, not the range whistle. The range whistle would have scared the heak out of me. Also, the Walla Walla doesn't have a range whistle, so I am 100% sure they changed the Ship's Whistle. I don't know if the limitations changed, the Issaquah's seemed to have changed about a year ago, and the Walla Walla's about a month ago. Also it seems weird that they would leave one end of the boat the same, but tune up the other one.
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Post by Barnacle on Feb 28, 2017 5:15:42 GMT -8
Which Issaquah boats have changed? Are you sure they weren't just testing the ranging whistles? There are frequency limitations for vessel size listed in the COLREGS. Certain pitch ranges are reserved for vessels of a size range. The Issaquah, Kitsap (Only End. 2), Cathlamet (Only End. 2), Chelan, and the Sealth were changed (along with the Walla Walla). I was on the pickleforks right above the range whistle when the whistle was sounded, and I am sure that it was the Ship's Whistle, not the range whistle. The range whistle would have scared the heak out of me. Also, the Walla Walla doesn't have a range whistle, so I am 100% sure they changed the Ship's Whistle. I don't know if the limitations changed, the Issaquah's seemed to have changed about a year ago, and the Walla Walla's about a month ago. Also it seems weird that they would leave one end of the boat the same, but tune up the other one. I was on the Kitsap yesterday and the Chelan last week. They're the same whistles that have always been there. You're taking something that you think may have happened and presenting it as fact.
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Post by Sammy Sam Samish on Feb 28, 2017 15:04:04 GMT -8
The Issaquah, Kitsap (Only End. 2), Cathlamet (Only End. 2), Chelan, and the Sealth were changed (along with the Walla Walla). I was on the pickleforks right above the range whistle when the whistle was sounded, and I am sure that it was the Ship's Whistle, not the range whistle. The range whistle would have scared the heak out of me. Also, the Walla Walla doesn't have a range whistle, so I am 100% sure they changed the Ship's Whistle. I don't know if the limitations changed, the Issaquah's seemed to have changed about a year ago, and the Walla Walla's about a month ago. Also it seems weird that they would leave one end of the boat the same, but tune up the other one. I was on the Kitsap yesterday and the Chelan last week. They're the same whistles that have always been there. You're taking something that you think may have happened and presenting it as fact. I'm probably going crazy. lol. I thought they had changed, but I could be wrong. I am positive about the Walla Walla though. I have ridden that ferry lots of times and I have heard it's whistle lots of times too. I don't remember it ever sounding like a mix of a Kwa-Di-Tabil and range whistle.
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Post by R30A on Mar 11, 2017 19:41:20 GMT -8
(Disclaimer:Not sure what the appropriate thread to post this question in is, so I am posting it here...) I was looking at a schedule I picked up on ebay for a couple dollars from the late 1990s. It has a late night run out of Seattle which made both Bainbridge and Bremerton.
Was this run made by the Bainbridge or the Bremerton ferry?
In either case, which boat was usually used to make the run?
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 12, 2017 15:26:02 GMT -8
(Disclaimer:Not sure what the appropriate thread to post this question in is, so I am posting it here...) I was looking at a schedule I picked up on ebay for a couple dollars from the late 1990s. It has a late night run out of Seattle which made both Bainbridge and Bremerton. Was this run made by the Bainbridge or the Bremerton ferry? In either case, which boat was usually used to make the run? Usually Bainbridge. The boats alternated on graveyard service so that one boat didn't get stuck without any down time.
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Post by Neil on Mar 25, 2017 19:30:37 GMT -8
Given BC Ferries' curious decision to downgrade the capacities of all their vessels- to a new figure that's often nonsense to those of us who count or look at the signboards at the ramps- does anyone know what vehicle length WSF bases their AEQ figures on?
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 25, 2017 20:00:05 GMT -8
Given BC Ferries' curious decision to downgrade the capacities of all their vessels- to a new figure that's often nonsense to those of us who count or look at the signboards at the ramps- does anyone know what vehicle length WSF bases their AEQ figures on? I believe a WSF standard vehicle size is 18'-0" long by 6'-6" wide. At least, that is the standard the architects listed on the plans for the Olympic Class vessels, my only reference to any such standard vehicle size. On one of my first trips on MV Samish, I overheard the deck crews call out a 156 number for total vehicles on board. That was a sailing with mostly passenger cars and very view large vehicles - no trucks, maybe 1 or 2 RV's - so with a more varied load, I think the 144 number holds pretty true. Over the years, vehicle numbers have been adjusted for some of our older ferries. The Super Class boats, for example, used to be listed at 160 AEQ, and now they are 144. The Jumbos used to be 206, and are now 188, and the Mark II's used to be 218, and are now 202.
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Post by Neil on Mar 25, 2017 20:58:03 GMT -8
Given BC Ferries' curious decision to downgrade the capacities of all their vessels- to a new figure that's often nonsense to those of us who count or look at the signboards at the ramps- does anyone know what vehicle length WSF bases their AEQ figures on? I believe a WSF standard vehicle size is 18'-0" long by 6'-6" wide. At least, that is the standard the architects listed on the plans for the Olympic Class vessels, my only reference to any such standard vehicle size. On one of my first trips on MV Samish, I overheard the deck crews call out a 156 number for total vehicles on board. That was a sailing with mostly passenger cars and very view large vehicles - no trucks, maybe 1 or 2 RV's - so with a more varied load, I think the 144 number holds pretty true. Over the years, vehicle numbers have been adjusted for some of our older ferries. The Super Class boats, for example, used to be listed at 160 AEQ, and now they are 144. The Jumbos used to be 206, and are now 188, and the Mark II's used to be 218, and are now 202. Thanks for that, Brandon. BC Ferries' new AEQ standard is 6.1 metres, or very close to 20'. So apparently we drive much bigger vehicles than you guys south of the border. Or maybe not.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 27, 2017 5:30:13 GMT -8
Over the years, vehicle numbers have been adjusted for some of our older ferries. The Super Class boats, for example, used to be listed at 160 AEQ, and now they are 144. The Jumbos used to be 206, and are now 188, and the Mark II's used to be 218, and are now 202. Depending on the vessel, anywhere between 6 and 10 spaces were sacrificed with the addition of the evacuation slides. And I am positively reeling from the shock of hearing the Jumbo Mk IIs referred to as 'older ferries'....
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 27, 2017 7:40:54 GMT -8
Depending on the vessel, anywhere between 6 and 10 spaces were sacrificed with the addition of the evacuation slides. And I am positively reeling from the shock of hearing the Jumbo Mk IIs referred to as 'older ferries'.... Oops! Guess that was a bit a faux pax lumping the JMII's in with my "older vessels" comment, although Tacoma will be 20 years old this year. That seems hard for me to believe. I remember attending its open house event down on the Tacoma waterfront back in 97 - doesn't seem like 20 years ago.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 27, 2017 11:36:59 GMT -8
Oops! Guess that was a bit a faux pax lumping the JMII's in with my "older vessels" comment, although Tacoma will be 20 years old this year. That seems hard for me to believe. I remember attending its open house event down on the Tacoma waterfront back in 97 - doesn't seem like 20 years ago. Ha, we've probably met, then. I was a VERY junior deckhand at the time, doing cabin duty on said Open House...
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Post by Starsteward on Mar 28, 2017 5:06:28 GMT -8
Oops! Guess that was a bit a faux pax lumping the JMII's in with my "older vessels" comment, although Tacoma will be 20 years old this year. That seems hard for me to believe. I remember attending its open house event down on the Tacoma waterfront back in 97 - doesn't seem like 20 years ago. Ha, we've probably met, then. I was a VERY junior deckhand at the time, doing cabin duty on said Open House... Welcome to the realization that we all encounter as we meander along the sea-lanes of life: "Tempus Fugit".
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 28, 2017 6:56:21 GMT -8
Ha, we've probably met, then. I was a VERY junior deckhand at the time, doing cabin duty on said Open House... Welcome to the realization that we all encounter as we meander along the sea-lanes of life: "Tempus Fugit". I occasionally wonder how many of the WCFF members I've met. I can actually only confirm one, who was mildly surprised to hear his name called down from the pilothouse window.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 28, 2017 7:28:21 GMT -8
Welcome to the realization that we all encounter as we meander along the sea-lanes of life: "Tempus Fugit". I occasionally wonder how many of the WCFF members I've met. I can actually only confirm one, who was mildly surprised to hear his name called down from the pilothouse window. That was a good day. A bit too much fog, but a good day.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 4, 2017 20:15:01 GMT -8
Hey all, Here is my General WSF Vessel Status Log with data comprised from VesselWatch and Marinetraffic status - Should be getting updated every Sunday/Monday depending on occurring vessel swaps. Enjoy. WSF General Vessel Status Log
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Post by rwbsparks on Jun 13, 2017 23:27:20 GMT -8
Once Tilikum is retired I imagine Sealth is going to become the permanent interisland boat and Kittitas move to FVS? Can FVS, Tilikums usual stomping grounds over the past many years handle 3 124 car Issaquah class ferries? Would it be prudent for WSF to build an additional ~100 car boat for backup purposes? Or if one of the 4 single car deck ferries breaks down during peak season for an extended period, say the Salish, would Chetzy move up to PT-C and another Issaquah shift to south Vashon? Seems to me WSF needs 1-2 additional ~100 car boats once Tilikum is retired.
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Post by R30A on Jun 14, 2017 6:37:32 GMT -8
I think the plan is for the Kitsap to be permanently out of F-V-S with the Kittitas staying at Mukilteo for the off peak-seasons. If this shakes out, I'm sure the Kittitas will frequently end up on F-V-S as a reliever during the peak.
With the hours long waits I have been seeing as of late on F-V-S, I think the days of a 90 car vessel being suitable there may be coming to a close.
There is nothing preventing an Issaquah from running out of Point Defiance should the need arise. It has happened before, (IINM the Sealth and was it the Chelan? I know the Kitsap was scheduled to be there a few months ago, but it ended up in the San Juans, with the Tillikum down at Point Defiance instead.)
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Post by rwbsparks on Jun 14, 2017 22:51:19 GMT -8
I think the plan is for the Kitsap to be permanently out of F-V-S with the Kittitas staying at Mukilteo for the off peak-seasons. If this shakes out, I'm sure the Kittitas will frequently end up on F-V-S as a reliever during the peak. With the hours long waits I have been seeing as of late on F-V-S, I think the days of a 90 car vessel being suitable there may be coming to a close. There is nothing preventing an Issaquah from running out of Point Defiance should the need arise. It has happened before, (IINM the Sealth and was it the Chelan? I know the Kitsap was scheduled to be there a few months ago, but it ended up in the San Juans, with the Tillikum down at Point Defiance instead.) Thanks for the quick response. So 1 90 car vessel in the fleet will meet requirements.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 16, 2017 14:54:48 GMT -8
If the Chelan will be at Mukilteo until mid-July when the Tokitae comes back, which vessel will be assigned to the #5 SJIs spot this summer assuming the Elwha's #1 Sidney vessel status carries into the Summer schedule on June 25? - could be the Kitsap or the Hyak/Kaleetan would be my guess given the Chimacum is at Bremerton starting next Friday June 23
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Post by Kahloke on Jun 16, 2017 15:04:26 GMT -8
If the Chelan will be at Mukilteo until mid-July when the Tokitae comes back, which vessel will be assigned to the #5 SJIs spot this summer assuming the Elwha's #1 Sidney vessel status carries into the Summer schedule on June 25? - could be the Kitsap or the Hyak/Kaleetan would be my guess given the Chimacum is at Bremerton starting next Friday June 23 I was thinking it would be Hyak. Most likely, Kaleetan will be paired with Chimacum at Bremerton. That's the logical choice, anyway. Under such a scenario, the San Juan rotation will be #1 Elwha, #2 Yakima, #3 Samish, #4 Tillikum, #5 Hyak. If, by chance, Kitsap gets repaired in time for the start of the summer schedule, then I'm assuming we will see Kitsap go to Clinton to fill in for Tokitae, and the San Juans would be on the planned schedule, which would be #1 Chelan, #2 Yakima, #3 Samish, #4 Tillikum, & #5 Elwha.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 16, 2017 16:32:22 GMT -8
If the Chelan will be at Mukilteo until mid-July when the Tokitae comes back, which vessel will be assigned to the #5 SJIs spot this summer assuming the Elwha's #1 Sidney vessel status carries into the Summer schedule on June 25? - could be the Kitsap or the Hyak/Kaleetan would be my guess given the Chimacum is at Bremerton starting next Friday June 23 I was thinking it would be Hyak. Most likely, Kaleetan will be paired with Chimacum at Bremerton. That's the logical choice, anyway. Under such a scenario, the San Juan rotation will be #1 Elwha, #2 Yakima, #3 Samish, #4 Tillikum, #5 Hyak. If, by chance, Kitsap gets repaired in time for the start of the summer schedule, then I'm assuming we will see Kitsap go to Clinton to fill in for Tokitae, and the San Juans would be on the planned schedule, which would be #1 Chelan, #2 Yakima, #3 Samish, #4 Tillikum, & #5 Elwha. From what I am aware, the Kitsap is scheduled to be out until June 30 (per the WSF contract for maintenance) so the #1 rotation will happen for sure and we'll see how things go when the kitsap is fixed.
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Post by rwbsparks on Jun 28, 2017 22:50:10 GMT -8
I witnessed two very rare anomalies on the Seattle- Winslow route today. 1. Ferry traveling from Winslow to Seattle traveled much farther south than normal and sailed between Blakely Rock and Restoration Point while the ferry from traveling from Seattle followed the normal royte. Passing Port to Port. I have seen the Winslow bound ferry sail south of Blakely Rock but never the Seattle bound ferry. What might have caused this? 2. Ferry departing Winslow (M/V Tacoma) departs late. Instead of holding outside the channel, Wenatchee entered the channel to enter Eagle Harbor while Tacoma was still in Eagle Harbor. This caused the two ferries to pass in the channel. In my past experience the vessel approaching Eagle Harbor has always waited for the departing vessel to leave the channel before entering. I had no idea the channel was wide enough for 2 JMIIs.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 28, 2017 23:07:33 GMT -8
I witnessed two very rare anomalies on the Seattle- Winslow route today. 1. Ferry traveling from Winslow to Seattle traveled much farther south than normal and sailed between Blakely Rock and Restoration Point while the ferry from traveling from Seattle followed the normal royte. Passing Port to Port. I have seen the Winslow bound ferry sail south of Blakely Rock but never the Seattle bound ferry. What might have caused this? 2. Ferry departing Winslow (M/V Tacoma) departs late. Instead of holding outside the channel, Wenatchee entered the channel to enter Eagle Harbor while Tacoma was still in Eagle Harbor. This caused the two ferries to pass in the channel. In my past experience the vessel approaching Eagle Harbor has always waited for the departing vessel to leave the channel before entering. I had no idea the channel was wide enough for 2 JMIIs. Reminds me of a not-so-similar, yet odd incident on my crossing on the Kaleetan last Sunday. The guy running the controls in the pilothouse must've been a newb. We had to back up and re-approach the slip about four or five times. The first landing attempt put us square to the righthand wingwall heading inbound. The second almost put us head-on into the inner nav dolphin. The final landing was so hard it lurched us out of our seats in the upper solarium.
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