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Post by Ferryman on Mar 12, 2008 20:40:12 GMT -8
Link to timeline: dnicholson1.shawwebspace.ca/
Hey Dane, Slight addition: The Albert J. Savoie was originally built as the MV Garibaldi (I), for the Darrel Bay to Woodfibre Route. MV Westwood was most likely a rename once the Garibaldi II was built in 1964 for the route. Also, the Tachek (Texada Queen) and Quadra Queen II were both built and launched at Allied Shipbuilders in North Vancouver. They were both built on the ways at the same time, but launched seperately. These would have also been the first Ferries built at the Allied Location in North Vancouver. But are actually the 4th and 5th vessels to ever be built at this location, following the big move from False Creek a year prior to construction of these vessels. Texada Queen was launched on May 17th, 1969 at 7:22am. Quadra Queen II followed a few weeks later. MV Island Princess was the first salt water Ferry ever built by Allied. Source: Ships of Steel ; A British Columbia Shipbuilders History. Author T.A. McLaren & Vickie Jensen.
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Post by Mac Write on Mar 12, 2008 21:41:07 GMT -8
Greet Timeline Dane. I sent you a PM please check.
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 26, 2008 9:27:31 GMT -8
What happened to the timeline?
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Post by coastalrenaissance on Jun 6, 2008 13:35:52 GMT -8
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 19, 2008 16:16:34 GMT -8
Oh, now those are better!
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 2, 2008 20:29:15 GMT -8
Kulleet Launched 1972 Klatawa Also Launched 1972
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 3, 2008 16:08:31 GMT -8
They were both part of BC Ferries, infact the klatawa was at one point on the Nanaimo - Gabriola Run (my grandfather has pictures to prove it)
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Post by Dane on Dec 3, 2008 16:17:09 GMT -8
That was with Highways... all three were on the run after their construction, each successive vessel bumping the next.
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Post by Doug on Dec 24, 2008 23:33:26 GMT -8
I have only begun to read your extensive report on BC Ferries' timeline, Dane...but so far as I can tell it is an excellent compilation. Bravo.
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 2, 2009 22:19:34 GMT -8
The timeline's gone again.
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Post by Dane on Feb 2, 2009 23:00:46 GMT -8
I tried to update it - file was too big to PDF so I broke it into 6 smaller parts and will try again on Wednesday.
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Post by Dane on Feb 6, 2009 11:19:40 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Feb 6, 2009 16:42:07 GMT -8
Dane: a few things jump out...
Bowen Queen began service to Fulford in 1974, not 1991.
Mayne Queen was the only regular vessel on route 5 for many years after she started service in '65- '66. Queen of The Islands was route 9, '64-'68, replaced by Sechelt Queen. Tenaka never served on route 9, as far as I can remember. If Sechelt Queen ever served on route 5, it was brief.
Queen of Nanaimo was always route 2, before the Gulf Islands.
You show three vessels on route 5 for a time in the '90s- I don't think that was the case, although in some summers a second vessel based in Swartz Bay supplemented route 6.
I'm pretty certain Jervis Queen/Bainbridge never was seen on route 2.
Kudos to you for an exhaustive piece of research.
p.s. - The summer schedule for 1977 lists a route 19, which was a supplementary service by Queen of The Islands between Otter Bay and Tsawwassen. 1980's schedule has the same ship doing a hybrid route 5-9 service between Swartz Bay, Mayne and/or Pender, and Tsawwassen.
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Post by Dane on Feb 6, 2009 22:40:16 GMT -8
If Sechelt Queen ever served on route 5, it was brief. The Sechelt Queen recieved very extensive refit for her service on Rte 5. The dates I have there I know are correct. I am curious about the Teneka - I know she was in the SGI because of a fair amount of photo's, will try and investigate some more in that one. Some of this vessel info is based on photos of a vessel somewhere, and an elimination of every other rte it could have served in during the same time. Certainly open to a lot of errors. Thanks for all the information I will delve into it some more. Vessel allocation is the most difficult thing to do by far - sometimes when I have dates listed that are way later than they should be it's because I can only verify, to this point, starting at this date. Lately I have been finding vessel info in strange, but helpful places. One is the Province which listed it for a period, but going through them is tedious work I rarely have time for. I have yet to hit the Maritime Museum's Archives. Cheers
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Post by Dane on Feb 6, 2009 23:20:32 GMT -8
I am also debating how to handle the Kuper? I use a fairly strict definition of BC Ferry. For example, the last Fast Cat is not included in the vessel data. Obviously the Kuper wears BC Ferries paint, runs on a BC Ferry route and uses BC Ferries crews but she isn't a BC Ferry... I suppose a note will suffice.
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Post by Neil on Feb 6, 2009 23:59:07 GMT -8
If Sechelt Queen ever served on route 5, it was brief. The Sechelt Queen recieved very extensive refit for her service on Rte 5. The dates I have there I know are correct. I checked the schedules, and I also have some memory of Gulf Islands service in that time. I don't have schedules for '75 or '76, but you have her listed on route 5 from '68-'76. This is where she was '68 through '74, at least- late summer, '68- route 9, taking over from Queen of The Islands1969- Route 9, main vessel. 1970- Route 9, main vessel 1971- Route 9, main vessel 1972- Route 2 (summer) 1973- suppplementary service, Tsawwassen-Gulf Islands-Swartz Bay (based at Swartz) 1974- Route 9, main vessel. Also, how is the Kuper not a BC Ferry? It's owned by a BC Ferries subsidiary. A couple of the Cs were owned by a finance company and leased back by BC Ferries- that didn't make them anything other than BC Ferries to all intents and purposes.
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 7, 2009 2:27:50 GMT -8
And the Stena Danica, remember, was built not at Maschinenbau Augsburg- Nuernberg, but at the defunct AG Weser shipyard in Bremerhaven.
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Post by Dane on Feb 7, 2009 21:45:56 GMT -8
Neil,
Are these all rte schedules? Would I be able to arrange with you to view them?
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Post by Neil on Feb 13, 2009 10:55:00 GMT -8
Neil, Are these all rte schedules? Would I be able to arrange with you to view them? They're the regular public schedules, if that's what you mean by 'rte schedule'. You being in North Van and me being in North Delta, that might be a bit problematic. I could bring some along if we were going to both be on a forum outing, or I could scan ones you are interested in. I'm in mourning because I appear to have inadvertently thrown away a number of mid '70s schedules along with a couple of old CPR ones, one from '61. I feel like a 'crazy cat lady' who just had one of her ten cats run over.
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2009 11:03:27 GMT -8
I feel sorry for your cats. I will PM you shortly (I am actually on a class break and needed a ferry fix as I am away all weekend) but I am in that area very very regularly so if you didn't object I am sure we could find a mutually acceptable time/location. I work in East Richmond just off 91
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Post by Dane on Feb 26, 2009 15:00:39 GMT -8
Thank goodness I post these, one of the documents was just subject to a very substantial crash and I lost a lot of data and all the photos. Close call...
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Post by Dane on Apr 16, 2009 13:00:38 GMT -8
Updated today. Small updates all around except for vessel assignments, which I plan to work on in the coming three weeks with some source material made available to me in Victoria.
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Post by Mike C on Apr 17, 2009 12:14:46 GMT -8
Great timeline Dane, very accurate and concise. A correction however, on page 23 of www.sfu.ca/~danen/Supplemental_Routes.pdfIt states that Westview terminal is on the Comox side, when in fact it is Little River on the Comox side. It also states that all of the vessels were based in Westview, when in fact they were based in Little River.
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Post by Dane on Apr 17, 2009 18:44:02 GMT -8
LOL yeah someone pointed that out to me yesterday. It's actually wrong through the entire thing.
At least I am consistent.
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 19, 2009 19:41:07 GMT -8
Dane, Another item that needs to be 'fixed' is the reported ferry weights in the vessels' section. It appears that you are reporting 'gross tonnage' as the vessels weights. This is incorrect as gross tonnage is actually a measure of a ship's internal volume. You need to report the 'displacement' weights, which are given on the BCFS website. For more on gross tonnage & displacement see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_tonnage It is notable that you do have what appears to be correct information for the Spirits, giving their weight as 11,609. The BCFS web page lists the displacement for the Spirits as 11,681 tonnes. For the Coastals you list the weight as 21,777. BCFS lists the displacement as 10,034 tonnes. The number that you give is the 'gross tonnage'.
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