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Post by ferrytraveller on Aug 31, 2008 15:35:15 GMT -8
Well BCFS has said the plan to build a new vessel to replace the Tenaka by 2013, so does anyone have any ideas as to what this vessel should look like?
Also what would each of you like to see designed or built to replace the Powell River Class and HSQ vessels?? You could potentially include the Quinsam too, though that might be a later version.
I'd like to seem them build a few new century vessels - updated Skeena Queens !
I would build 5, replace the PRQ, Bowen Queen, HSQ with a skeena design. Then replace the mayne queen with the Queen of Capilano and replace the cappy with a 4th new Skeena boat.
In future you could also replace the Quinsam with a Skeena design and keep her around as a spare!
what do you all think?
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Post by ferrytraveller on Aug 31, 2008 15:59:29 GMT -8
what ever you choose, please feel free to explain why you choose that option. There should also be a other/new build option but i misclicked and can't edit the poll, so you can add that in too. As well, if anyone has any data about fuel consumtion on any of the above vessels, please post that too ! cheers!
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 31, 2008 16:14:56 GMT -8
I think a smaller version of the Queen of Capilano, perhaps with higher side walls on the car deck, and bow doors kind of like what Queen of the Islands used to have, would be a good type of vessel for some of the northern minor routes. The problem with the Skeena Queen, Quinsam, and other similar type vessels is the lack of a proper passenger cabin. I like ferries which have passenger cabins above the car deck. If we're talking about 60 AEQ vessels to replace some of the existing minor ships, then a smaller I-Class type layout wouldn't be such a bad way to go. Make the design more enclosed/sheltered for the northern routes, and maybe not as much for some of the southern, more protected routes.
Ultimately, I could see this type being used at Powell River-Texada, Cortez-Quadra, and Port McNeil-Alert Bay-Sointula
I think new I-class vessels, similar to Island Sky, would be a good fit for Bowen-HSB, Swartz Bay-Southern Gulf Islands (one to supplement Queen of Cumberland), and at Swartz Bay-Fulford Hbr. Move Skeena Queen to Nanaimo-Gabriola, Quinsam to Crofton-Vesuvius, and Capilano to Campbell River-Quadra Island.
How about them apples? ;D
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Post by ferrytraveller on Aug 31, 2008 19:53:49 GMT -8
well i think the northern gulf islands; Quadra - Cortes, Denman - Hornby, Alert Bay - port Mcneil - Sontula, powell River - Texada all need a 60 AEQ ferry with raised bows like the Quadra Queen 2, Tachek.
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 31, 2008 21:37:40 GMT -8
You need to keep in mind that some runs such as that to Quadra/Cortes have a fairly long stretch of open water, while others are more well protected. This could dictate quite a different design for routes that are more open.
I do not expect the Tenaka replacement to be like any of the vessels listed in the poll.
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Post by Douglas on Aug 31, 2008 23:31:33 GMT -8
Didn't you guys here BCF is going into the bridge building business ;D
Before any minor vessels are built I think BCF is gonna have to make some decisions is it worth keeping some of these routes.
The B.C. gov't will need to pitch in some funds to have new ships built for the routes that are low to no profit but are part of the highway system.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 1, 2008 8:31:03 GMT -8
Before any minor vessels are built I think BCF is gonna have to make some decisions is it worth keeping some of these routes. OK, I'll bite: The decision of route-dropping isn't BC Ferries' decision to make. BC Ferries (the BCFS company) is obligated to providing service at contractually specified levels on each of the existing routes. I suppose that you're actually referring to the "route discontinuance" mechanism which the Ferry Commision would decide on.... www.bcferrycommission.com/route_discontinuance.html
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 1, 2008 8:42:58 GMT -8
The B.C. gov't will need to pitch in some funds to have new ships built for the routes that are low to no profit but are part of the highway system. I'll bite at this one too (I'm troll-friendly today, it seems): ============= On what do you base the above comment? Is it based on the Coastal Ferry Act and the Coastal Ferry Agreement? Or is it just your own reasonings, ignoring the legal structure of the ferry system in BC? just wondering.........because I don't want to accuse you of "shooting your mouth off" about something that you don't know. So I'm assuming that there's something here that you can enlighten us with. ;D
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Post by Douglas on Sept 1, 2008 8:48:59 GMT -8
Hahn is on the cut back stage he is looking at the expenses.
The years of the BC gov't not doing anything to the ships and terminals is catching up. The ships are worn out the terminal facilities need major work so thats costing lots of money. Then you have the stupid spending but that is because of BCFs top heavy managment.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 1, 2008 9:09:55 GMT -8
So...you're not considering the realities of the Coastal Ferry Act and Agreement re your comments re route-dropping and new-ship financing? Ok, that makes it simpler for understanding your comments and where you're coming from. Hahn is on the cut back stage he is looking at the expenses. The years of the BC gov't not doing anything to the ships and terminals is catching up. The ships are worn out the terminal facilities need major work so thats costing lots of money. Then you have the stupid spending but that is because of BCFs top heavy managment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2008 9:18:36 GMT -8
Skeena queen looks much more efficient for speed good for short to medium runs I think. and have more cappies but hopefully not crappys. ithink a Skeena for the bowen island to horseshoebay route. my only problem is that the Skeena queen has no decent passenger space they should do the cappie type passenger area.
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Post by Fenklebaum on Sept 1, 2008 11:58:50 GMT -8
Skeena queen looks much more efficient for speed good for short to medium runs I think. and have more cappies but hopefully not crappys. ithink a Skeena for the bowen island to horseshoebay route. my only problem is that the Skeena queen has no decent passenger space they should do the cappie type passenger area. What's "horseshoebay"? Who are "they"? Fenk, bracing
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Post by Curtis on Sept 1, 2008 12:20:54 GMT -8
For the PR Class and HSQ Since most of their route's are only about 30 Minutes or less I'd say a Skeena Queen type vessel however for the routes that are 30 minutes and over it would be a Capilano/Cumberland Design.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2008 16:37:37 GMT -8
my only problem with the Skeena is the limtited passenger space.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Sept 1, 2008 23:20:28 GMT -8
well thats the thing, i have worked on the bowen queen and most people like to stay in there cars or out on deck during the nice sunny weather. So bowen island is a 20 min run, van IS. / Quadra is a 10 min run and croften/vesuvius is a 20 min run and Van is./denman is a 10 min run
so what i am saying is chances are most people will stay in there cars for that length of time, that lessens the need for the larger passenger cabins. During the winter and fall, it will be the same its only 10 -20 mins a well designed small passenger cabin like on the Skeena queen is practical, and makes sence. Most importantly it will reduce the weight of the vessel and lessen the construction costs.
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Post by Douglas on Sept 1, 2008 23:46:58 GMT -8
On the minor minor routes a landing craft style should be used. A ship with ramps on both ends and eliminate shore ramps. There could be a boat launch style ramp the ship can drop the bow ramp push into the beach throw some safety lines on load the load and unload lift the ramp and go.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Sept 2, 2008 3:55:36 GMT -8
Speaking of landing craft, Flug, you had a great signature image a while back depicting an excellent example of the use of landing craft... ;D...I'm not sure how Neil would feel about using them as ferries though; the connotations of how they could be used to quell the eventual uprising and attempted secession of the islands due to excessive ferry fares and inadequate services may stir seeds of resentment ...however, all tasteless joking aside, I would be concerned to have a barge type vessel with inadequate lounge space utilized on any of the minor runs that double as school bus routes.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jan 7, 2009 18:41:43 GMT -8
i'm curious to know if anyone here who likes to design or draw bc ferry vessels on the computer can come up with a design for either a super century class vessel or a modified design of the skeena to possibily redesign the passenger areas
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Post by ferryrider42 on Jan 7, 2009 19:42:31 GMT -8
A 'super skeena' vessel hun. I think FSG might have something like you describe. Looking at their product listing, a new boat (to me at least) has appeared. There are no details for it, but the picture looks pretty 'super skeena' to me. Thou, in truth at 160m it might be a little too super (skeena is 110m). Scroll to very last boat www.fsg-ship.de/2product/1prod2/main.html
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 7, 2009 20:14:21 GMT -8
That has been there since the last round of alterations were done to the FSG site and the new video of the Star Trek Ferry was added. My guess would be early December but I could be wrong. BCinNJ and I chatted about the somewhat familiar features but the massive length made us pause before we settled much on it being intended for BC Ferries.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jan 7, 2009 20:20:34 GMT -8
well that does look pretty super, but maybe a bit too big for short haul - commuter routes. Maybe a good design for route 17 or 9
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Post by electrotech on Jan 8, 2009 10:32:23 GMT -8
well that does look pretty super, but maybe a bit too big for short haul - commuter routes. Maybe a good design for route 17 or 9 I fear the accommodation areas may be a bit limited for a 3 hour trip on route 9. What is the situation for crossing the Strait (year round) with an open car-deck vessel? Can the I-Sky do it?
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Post by Kam on Jan 8, 2009 11:24:46 GMT -8
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Post by electrotech on Jan 11, 2009 14:14:13 GMT -8
Route 6 is a 20-minute crossing because the HSQ runs at only 10-11kn.
From what I've seen as far as loading on that vessel - its rarely at capacity. The Crofton terminal booth is a bottleneck. I've been cut off at the booth with at least 10+ vehicles behind me so that they could keep their schedule. (The vessel no more than 50% loaded).
Going to a larger vessel doesn't make sense - it wouldn't get loaded. Larger would also translate into more fuel and higher operating costs.
I think a Quinsam-esque vessel with a 15kn service speed would be a good choice.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 11, 2009 14:32:11 GMT -8
I think a Quinsam-esque vessel with a 15kn service speed would be a good choice. Maybe even Quinsam itself if they built another Century Class vessel like Skeena Queen to replace Quinsam at Nanaimo-Gabriola.
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