Picture of three-tier ramp needed

[herrbrinkmann]

Dear Ferry Fans:
I am in the very urgent need to find one or more pictures of shore-based ramps in three-tiers (triple-deck ramp) like Crowley has e.g. in Jacksonville:
www.crowley.com/liner-shipping-services/terminal-jax.asp
If you have some or if you know internet-adresses where to find, please mail it to [e-mail]
Many thanks in advance.
This post can be deleted on Friday, 25th, 11:30h, Flensburg time

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herrbrinkmann said:

www.crowley.com/liner-shipping-services/terminal-jax.asp

I'm a layman when it comes to such specific nautical terminology, though I know my share; when you say "three tiers," do you mean lateral as in what at first glance of the photo on the website mentioned looks like and not vertical, or do you mean vertical as upon further inspection the ship in said photo might be, three decks possibly (hard to tell)

Terms mentioned such as

Scales: 3

and

Ramp: Triple-deck

make me wonder

...Particulartly when it comes to the lateral/horizontal vs. the potential of a triple-decked ramp system

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Upon further inspection - and yes, I do feel this warrants a second post - I can see that indeed this ship has the capability of being and in fact probably is a vertically triple decked vessel. Thanks for the provocation of thought, Herr Brinkmann

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

Markus,

If you don't have it already, here is the web address for the company that designed the above mentioned ramp:
www.mdoinc.net/
Project list here
www.mdoinc.net/index2_files/Page2169.htm

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Thanks for that, BCinNJ.

The reason that I questioned Herr Brinkmann's original post in this thread, as clear as its wording was, should be noted: For the many local nautical buffs among us, three tiers is unimaginable

Then again, we should all be thinking in a global context these days, shouldn't we?

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

That's okay, I just found out Crowley's has a triple ramp with in spitting distance of where I am.

Okay, I googled the Pennsauken location Pennsauken location.
Gives you an aerial shot atleast.

[Mill Bay]

tsawwassenterminal said:

Upon further inspection - and yes, I do feel this warrants a second post - I can see that indeed this ship has the capability of being and in fact probably is a vertically triple decked vessel. Thanks for the provocation of thought, Herr Brinkmann

As far as triple decked Ro-Ro vessels go, this is not unheard of, the Irish ferries Ulysses carries vehicles and trailers on up to five decks, I believe. But the loading is still only done on two levels with ramps leading up or down to the additional vehicle decks.

Even our current C-class could be considered triple-decked vessels with the gallery decks which are an additional deck that is physically connected to the main deck by a permanent fixed ramp, and are not merely a platform deck with a hydraulic ramp.

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millbay said:

tsawwassenterminal said:

Upon further inspection - and yes, I do feel this warrants a second post - I can see that indeed this ship has the capability of being and in fact probably is a vertically triple decked vessel. Thanks for the provocation of thought, Herr Brinkmann

As far as triple decked Ro-Ro vessels go, this is not unheard of, the Irish ferries Ulysses carries vehicles and trailers on up to five decks, I believe.

In the widespread documentary that I'm sure you're referencing, it is clearly stated that the requirements were based on particular restraints to build the vessel, based upon a two-decked stem-flow like ours, i.e. they had to make a stream of levels of vehicles flow onto multiple vehicle decks from an existing system similar to ours, 2 decks, like you referred to in your post. Please refute this

[Mill Bay]

tsawwassenterminal said:

millbay said:

As far as triple decked Ro-Ro vessels go, this is not unheard of, the Irish ferries Ulysses carries vehicles and trailers on up to five decks, I believe.

In the widespread documentary that I'm sure you're referencing, it is clearly stated that the requirements were based on particular restraints to build the vessel, based upon a two-decked stem-flow like ours, i.e. they had to make a stream of levels of vehicles flow onto multiple vehicle decks from an existing system similar to ours, 2 decks, like you referred to in your post. Please refute this

No, they had to design the vessel to fit within the existing docks, particularly on the Dublin side. Theoretically, they could have added additional loading ramps, but this might have made the docks unusable to other Irish ferry ships.

Send BCinNJ out to take a picture of that ramp in Pennsauken for us.

[herrbrinkmann]

The reason to have a triple ramp is very fast loading/unloading. Our last big RoRo had 5 full decks plus a half deck for cars.
But only beeing loaded by two ramps besides on one level.
Beeing able to access 3 decks at the same time can signifantly increase the loading time but requires expensive landbased installations.
We want to show a customer, that it could make sense to have such a landbased ramp to optimize the concept.

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millbay said:

tsawwassenterminal said:

In the widespread documentary that I'm sure you're referencing, it is clearly stated that the requirements were based on particular restraints to build the vessel, based upon a two-decked stem-flow like ours, i.e. they had to make a stream of levels of vehicles flow onto multiple vehicle decks from an existing system similar to ours, 2 decks, like you referred to in your post. Please refute this

No, they had to design the vessel to fit within the existing docks, particularly on the Dublin side. Theoretically, they could have added additional loading ramps, but this might have made the docks unusable to other Irish ferry ships.

Send BCinNJ out to take a picture of that ramp in Pennsauken for us.

The depth, for sure, good point, but without greater depth on the Dublin side more ramps might not be feasible.

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herrbrinkmann said:

We want to show a customer, that it could make sense to have such a landbased ramp to optimize the concept.

And we thank you for this; if only North American markets weren't so stubborn


Your attempt is noble however, and I feel that I must now repeat your original request as it probably doesn't have much to do with the impression it makes on our forum...

Does anyone have or know of photographs of "shore-based ramps in three-tiers (triple-deck ramp)" as Herr Brinkmann made this tread for?

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

Okay, it goes to show, if you are bored and persistent enough, you can find anything you desire:

Pages 7 & 10 have reasonably decent pictures of a three tiered RORO loading ramp.