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Post by pscurr on Dec 19, 2007 12:53:40 GMT -8
Although not a BC Ferry, a vessel significant to the history of the fleet. Taken the day after.
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Post by Fenklebaum unsigned on Dec 19, 2007 13:12:40 GMT -8
Oh my word, the MV Sergei Yesenin's paintwork looks like it could use a bit of a touch up.
Where'd you find this little gem?
Fenk, up-toucher
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Post by pscurr on Dec 19, 2007 13:21:44 GMT -8
Looking through the old negatives from university days!
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 19, 2007 13:43:38 GMT -8
Man. The Vic sure got the worst of that, didn't she?
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Post by hergfest on Dec 19, 2007 14:38:25 GMT -8
Doesn't even look like there is much damage there, cept for the paint.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 19, 2007 14:49:30 GMT -8
Yeah for sure. That must have been quite a sturdy bow. Some Soviet cargo ships had very thick bows and hulls meant to break through some levels of ice for the Northern ports. I am not sure how they would rate based on our ice rating system in use these days.
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Post by Neil on Dec 19, 2007 16:24:03 GMT -8
If you look at pictures of the Sergey Yesenin embedded into the Queen of Victoria, the hull paint scheme does not match that of the vessel pictured above. The damage pattern on the pictured vessel also doesn't seem consistent with that kind of slicing collision.
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Post by pscurr on Dec 19, 2007 16:36:57 GMT -8
you are right, it certainly looks different, I will check the other photos in the sequence. I know I did take photos of the Yesenin a couple of days after the event...but 37 years later looking at negatives. Thanks for pointing out the differences.
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 19, 2007 16:45:38 GMT -8
Not to mention that the Cyrillic alphabet doesn't have an "N"--just the backwards of that letter (and that is the "I" sound). (I don't speak Russian; I just looked up the alphabet in my dictionary.)
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Post by hergfest on Dec 19, 2007 16:47:20 GMT -8
Looks the same too me:
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 19, 2007 17:28:02 GMT -8
Above photo is a black hull; the Yesenin's was gray. Plus I would be very surprised if the Soviet-owned FESCO ship would have a castle-like crest on the bow of its ships, being somewhat anti-Tsarist...
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Post by pscurr on Dec 19, 2007 22:03:33 GMT -8
Many pages of negatives later, ( without contact sheets) have not been able to find the Sergey Yesenin . Will continue to research, sorry for the confusion. However, the quest continues, what is the vessel in the photo?
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 19, 2007 23:01:41 GMT -8
I didn't think that Sergei Yesenin ended with 'GEN' (or could that be 'EEN'?) Also, as mentioned, obviously not very significant damage to the bow. Thank you, pscurr, for the challenge, I look forward to trying to figure out what classic ship that is.
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Post by pscurr on Dec 20, 2007 8:03:47 GMT -8
Will continue to look through the old negs over the holidays for the Sergi Yesenin photos at the dock in Vancouver. thanks for your patience.
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Post by Taxman on Dec 20, 2007 21:42:19 GMT -8
Although not a BC Ferry, a vessel significant to the history of the fleet. Taken the day after. From what I have found online she appears to be a German boat, not russian (the Coat of Arms adorning her bow is the Hamburg coat of Arms). From there I looked of German shipping lines, of which Hamburg Amerika Lines appeared to have the routing and ships ending in GEN to be appropriate. The company merged with another to form the current Hapag Lloyd, whose bow still has the hamburg shield front and center. (From the Los Angeles Express page on the Hapag Lloyd site) Coincidentally they now own CP Ships. If you had a date it would allow us to know at what time in this companies development it is, and narrow the list down further. Sadly, I have been unable to find pictures of the exact ship.
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Post by pscurr on Dec 20, 2007 22:02:17 GMT -8
Great information, I got as far as the Hamburg coat of arms this afternoon... the photo was taken the summer of 1970 I hope that helps.
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Post by Kam on Sept 4, 2009 12:55:48 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 4, 2009 16:16:28 GMT -8
My first guess, before seeing the ship, was the Princess Joan or Princess Elizabeth. These were the "night boats" that were sometimes used as day-ships to Nanaimo during the 1950's. The mystery photo of Beryl and Sandy is by a bell, by a curved overhang, so that would be the bow. There is a circular-shape column support. EJ Hughes used one of these ships for inspiration in his "Steamer at the dock" painting. So, is it the Joan or Elizabeth? Let me check my Turner books: ================ - Page 154 of The Pacific Princesses has a photo that shows a matching location near the bow, 2 decks below the wheel-house. Here is a cropped snapshot of this photo: ------------ - From Those Beautiful Coastal Liners, pages 91-94 has some more pictures of these ships. I couldn't get a good snap of the area in question. ========= So I think this is the Joan or Elizabeth (they were sisters).
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Post by stingray on Sept 4, 2009 17:55:19 GMT -8
The date on the photo maybe off by six or so years, because I thing that the ship is the Princess Victoria. She spend her last years working the Vancouver-Nanaimo route as the summer months overload boat until her retirement in August 1950. Stingray
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 4, 2009 18:02:44 GMT -8
The date on the photo maybe off by seven or so years, because I thing that the ship is the Princess Victoria. She spend her last years working the Vancouver-Nanaimo route as the summer months overload boat until her retirement at the end of the 1949 tourist season. Stingray I have a colour photo from the early 1950's showing that the P Victoria had a mast in front of the wheel house. So far it is the only ship that appears to match the photo linked above.
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Post by FNS on Sept 4, 2009 19:26:05 GMT -8
The photo... www.flickr.com/photos/marilynmc/2463370870/sizes/o/in/pool-674755@N24/...was definitely taken aboard the PRINCESS VICTORIA. This was taken, most likely, after WW2. The angled visor around the top edge of the wheelhouse windows was a new installation. Before the visor installation, the bell was mounted on the face of the wheelhouse. I think that the visor was installed during WW2. If you take a magnifying glass and look at the photo on Page 170 of The Pacific Princesses book, you'll barely see the visor and the new bell location. At that time, the VICTORIA was painted gray, as was in the case of the other CPR ships in the area during WW2. As for the photo in our musical moderator's posting above, that is the PRINCESS JOAN, as what Mr. Turner says in the above mentioned book.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 4, 2009 20:10:30 GMT -8
The photo to be ID'd would very much appear to have been taken in the area circled in the photo below. The 1956 date however, is a problem as the P Victoria was decommissioned in 1952 following 47 years of service. Princess Victoria of CPSS's BCCS in Vancouver Harbour c 1950. This is a scan of a print contained in my brother's [DOT] collection. The same photo can be seen on page 125 of Robert Turner's excellent book Those Beautiful Coastal Liners. There, it is identified as being from the Jim Stephen collection. The photographer's name is unknown.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 4, 2009 20:20:47 GMT -8
The photo to be ID'd would very much appear to have been taken in the area circled in the photo below. The 1956 date however, is a problem as the P Victoria was decommissioned in 1952 following 47 years of service. Princess Victoria of CPSS's BCCS in Vancouver Harbour c 1950. This is a scan of a print contained in my brother's [DOT] collection. The same photo can be seen on page 125 of Robert Turner's excellent book Those Beautiful Coastal Liners. There, it is identified as being from the Jim Stephen collection. The photographer's name is unknown. Did she have any sisters in service at that time ('58), that could have been on that route?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 4, 2009 20:29:03 GMT -8
No sisters. The Princess Vic was an only-child.
Too bad for me that my Joan/Elizabeth idea wasn't right.......but it was fun trying to figure it out.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 4, 2009 20:33:23 GMT -8
Did she have any sisters in service at that time ('58), that could have been on that route? No! The P Victoria was the first of the luxury coastal day liners that served on what became known as the 'triangle service' connecting Vancouver, Victoria & Seattle. Although she resembled in some respects some of the other pre WW1 boats, she had no twins, no real sisters. CP's later boats mostly came in pairs.
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