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Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 7, 2006 7:34:08 GMT -8
On the subject of the Hyak, this was in the WSF service bulletin yesterday:
"On the Hyak and the Kaleetan elevator service is unavailable from the car deck. Service is available when loaded on the wings of the vessels."
What is meant by "the wings"? Is it the side decks or is it the pickle forks?
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 7, 2006 7:55:58 GMT -8
They mean what is technically termed the "upper 'tween deck" of the auto deck from what I've been able to find about the problem. This is the elevators' first experience with serious weather and I suspect the call buttons on the lower 'tweens are simply not weatherized sufficiently.
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Post by zman on Nov 7, 2006 9:12:22 GMT -8
I was wondering the same thing...I was on the Kaleetan after she had the elevator installed, and when the wind was coming straight into the elevator, it would not go anywhere. It was stuck on the main car deck level. The floor indicator outside would switch from 1 to 2, but the elevator would not go anywhere. After three or four times, a "Not in service" light came on...that was wierd.
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MV Hyak
Nov 12, 2006 9:25:06 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 12, 2006 9:25:06 GMT -8
The Hyak is having problems this morning.
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MV Hyak
Nov 12, 2006 10:25:21 GMT -8
Post by hergfest on Nov 12, 2006 10:25:21 GMT -8
Nice timing with the Seahawks game today. A lot of people walk on the ferry and go to the game. Quest Field isn't that far from Colman Dock. The Kaleetan will be a full boat heading to Seattle this morning.
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MV Hyak
Nov 12, 2006 10:41:03 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 12, 2006 10:41:03 GMT -8
I wonder what they'll do if the Hyak is out of service for a few days. I bet they send the Kitsap up to Bremerton and send the Evergreen State to Vashon (if they're smart, they won't use the Evergreen State on the Bremerton route unless they have to).
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MV Hyak
Nov 12, 2006 13:44:24 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 12, 2006 13:44:24 GMT -8
Why the heck is the Hyak heading up north? Is she going to Everett shipyards or are they doing sea trials?
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MV Hyak
Nov 12, 2006 15:56:39 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 12, 2006 15:56:39 GMT -8
Sea trials. Your arch-nemesis is back on the run and making schedule. ;D;D
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MV Hyak
Nov 13, 2006 9:09:34 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 13, 2006 9:09:34 GMT -8
By the way, WSF never "refurbished" the Yakima and Kaleetan either. The terminology they used was "restoration," which was a technical hair-splitter to avoid having to basically rebuild everything from the keel up and bring it all up to Brand New Ship codes, mostly the bits about adding an elevator. (Savor the irony here, folks.)
Anyway, the Hyak has received much the same amount of attention as the other Supers have (aside from the hatchet job done on the Elwha in 1990); it just isn't as immediately noticeable.
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MV Hyak
Nov 14, 2006 16:54:00 GMT -8
Post by zman on Nov 14, 2006 16:54:00 GMT -8
For some reason or another, WSF totally missed the main cabin...
That is unless they consider dark brown, light green and a ton of tan variations at random places to be the 'original' colors.
The upper cabin has all one shade of tan. I also read that all of the tilework on the floors was redone. At least in the upper cabin it was done and that is evidenced by the fact that you cannot tell the difference in the areas where the seats were removed and the elevator was installed. (Quite unlike the flooring of the Klahowya) I do like the speed that came with the 'refurbished' engines from the Walla Walla and the low wake that she casts.
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MV Hyak
Nov 14, 2006 20:02:10 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 14, 2006 20:02:10 GMT -8
Er.
Actually, look closer. There's still a couple of small patches of mint green and olive green in the... #2 end lower cabin, I think.
Anyway, I've done my best to convince the staff chief engineer (read: Daddy) of the boat to get the painted cabin interior surfaces from grey to a warmer tan color. He thinks it might be possible because it can improve the interior appearances on the cheap. ;-)
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MV Hyak
Nov 15, 2006 9:16:40 GMT -8
Post by zman on Nov 15, 2006 9:16:40 GMT -8
If we are going to talk about the green on the Hyak, let us not forget the olive green paint that covers each bench seat from the cushion down... You can kinda get the idea here.
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MV Hyak
Nov 16, 2006 18:47:34 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Nov 16, 2006 18:47:34 GMT -8
Hmmm. Why is MV Hyak the ferry we love to hate? ;D
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MV Hyak
Nov 16, 2006 19:07:57 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 16, 2006 19:07:57 GMT -8
maybe we should be hating WSF or not hating at all, at least I don't like WSF in general due to their lack of attention with that vessel. If she gets rusty with the metal, replace some of it. Not the whole nine yards.
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MV Hyak
Nov 17, 2006 8:47:39 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 17, 2006 8:47:39 GMT -8
Well, bear in mind that for a while the Hyak was going to be replaced by new construction. When the funding for that was spread out over the other four boats to make them 144-car ferries instead of 130-car ferries, it came to light that, well, if we aren't going to replace the Hyak, we need to do a lot of catch-up. I would suspect BC Ferries doesn't exactly lavish refurb money on boats that they are planning on retiring within a few years either.
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MV Hyak
Nov 17, 2006 17:53:49 GMT -8
Post by hergfest on Nov 17, 2006 17:53:49 GMT -8
Actually, they are going to keep the Hyak for another few years. WSF originally wanted five boats but cut it down to four due to increased costs. The fifth boat would gave replaced the Hyak.
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MV Hyak
Nov 17, 2006 18:07:46 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Nov 17, 2006 18:07:46 GMT -8
Actually, they are going to keep the Hyak for another few years. WSF originally wanted five boats but cut it down to four due to increased costs. The fifth boat would gave replaced the Hyak. I certainly hope WSF keeps this "middle aged" vessel for more than "another few years."
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MV Hyak
Nov 17, 2006 19:53:42 GMT -8
Post by old_wsf_fan on Nov 17, 2006 19:53:42 GMT -8
I think that WSF needs to re-evaluate the Hyak and consider updating her as they have with her sisters. There is no reason to build another vessel to replace a perfectly good ferry. If her sisters were worth the investment, certainly she has to be. I have a problem with wasting money of this magnatude when they have a perfectly good vessel to work with. Back when her sisters were refurbished, the excuse was that they ran out of funds to continue any improvements to the Hyak. OK, now is the time to spend just a portion of the money that it would require to build another new ferry and rebuild that boat.
I am sick and tired of of seeing the publics' tax revenue being wasted when a perfectly good vessel is available to work with. Her design allows her to be used at Bremerton and the San Juans without fear of beach erosion. Hopefully the powers that be at WSF will take another look at the situation and do what in my opinion is the right thing to do!
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MV Hyak
Nov 17, 2006 20:30:21 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 17, 2006 20:30:21 GMT -8
I strongly agree. Right now, we waste money on freeways and because of someone who was greedy for their own money >coughEYMENcough< not as much funding is put forward toward the development of our marine highway. Washington needs to maintain the boats better, just because it operates a better schedule, does not mean you should just take away the TLC that should go with it.
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 12:11:55 GMT -8
Post by zman on Nov 18, 2006 12:11:55 GMT -8
Yeah...it would also be nice if WSF added a trip from Bremerton and Seattle between during the big mid-day gap. (Bremerton 12:35 and 3:00; Seattle 12:50 and 3:00)
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 15:16:19 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 18, 2006 15:16:19 GMT -8
I think that WSF needs to re-evaluate the Hyak and consider updating her as they have with her sisters. There is no reason to build another vessel to replace a perfectly good ferry. If her sisters were worth the investment, certainly she has to be. I have a problem with wasting money of this magnatude when they have a perfectly good vessel to work with. Back when her sisters were refurbished, the excuse was that they ran out of funds to continue any improvements to the Hyak. OK, now is the time to spend just a portion of the money that it would require to build another new ferry and rebuild that boat. I am sick and tired of of seeing the publics' tax revenue being wasted when a perfectly good vessel is available to work with. Her design allows her to be used at Bremerton and the San Juans without fear of beach erosion. Hopefully the powers that be at WSF will take another look at the situation and do what in my opinion is the right thing to do! You mean totally gut and rebuild a boat for more than what was spent on the others, and get ten years less service out of the refurbishment because of its overall age? Actually, I've explained this repeatedly in this thread, but nobody seems to listen. The next time I'm going for a larger font: The Hyak has been gradually receiving the "upgrades" that the others have received. Just because the cosmetic "shiny stuff"-type work hasn't been done, doesn't mean she hasn't been receiving operational upgrades. Everything below decks has been given a very thorough going-over, up to and including replacement. Steel replacement has been ongoing, and a new elevator installed. Steering equipment was upgraded. And frankly, there isn't a whole lot left to make the Hyak as "modern" as the Yakima and Kaleetan. (As an aside, if they intend to upgrade the Hyak into another Elwha, let's just sink it now.) Several members of this forum refuse to acknowledge that work has in fact been done on the Hyak; it is apparently assumed that since the olive green seat frames are still visible, nothing has been done to the Hyak since January 1968. How much louder to I have to type?
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 16:42:31 GMT -8
Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 18, 2006 16:42:31 GMT -8
How much louder to type:
Well, we sometimes call member "Political Incorrectness" the "all-caps screamer from Bremerton".
(phrase used without the permission of Coastal Skier)
Me, I don't know the Hyak ship, from the Hyak orca whale, from the Hyak festival at New Westminister.
Or perhaps "Hyak" is what you would say to greet a Mongolian cow?
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 16:52:08 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Nov 18, 2006 16:52:08 GMT -8
*deep breath*
I am calm, I am calm, I am calm...
I've had people ask if Hyak is something you step in.
I usually tell them that Kaleetan is something you step in. Hyak is something you do when you step in Kaleetan.
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 21:26:02 GMT -8
Post by old_wsf_fan on Nov 18, 2006 21:26:02 GMT -8
OK. I stand corrected. It has been talked about many times that the Hyak was not rebuilt to the same degree that her sisters were and that she was going to be retired sooner than her sisters. Apparently WSF has had a change of heart and indeed has invested in keeping her going.
I was just trying to make the point that a vessel that is in good, sound condition should not be thrown away just because she is 40 years old. Look at the Steel E's, there 80 years old and still going but alas, at their end of service life by a mile.
There has been alot of discussion on this forum about the service life of vessels in other countries. What is considered the useful service life by WSF? It seems as though the regulations for service life seem to be getting more strigent than they used to be. I doubt that the Steel E's would have been rebuilt today if they were only 50-60 years old.
Is the USCG getting tougher on WSF?
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MV Hyak
Nov 18, 2006 22:00:28 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 18, 2006 22:00:28 GMT -8
The USCG "should" get tougher on WSF and very tough like Transport Canada. They only stick to the regulation and not exceed the regulation. Look at what BCFS has done, they have done safety upgrades with refits whereas WSF just upgrades equipment and not design.
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