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MV Hyak
Dec 26, 2006 16:05:45 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 26, 2006 16:05:45 GMT -8
Well, MP&E went cut-rate on everything... and you have to remember the gerbil that powers it is very old by now.
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FNS
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The Empire Builder train of yesteryear in HO scale
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MV Hyak
Dec 27, 2006 21:52:15 GMT -8
Post by FNS on Dec 27, 2006 21:52:15 GMT -8
When I get power back at home this weekend, hopefully, I will draw up and post the interior arrangements of the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY in their final before steeling. [glow=red,2,300]YES![/glow] Please do. I am certain all of us would enjoy the information. I think SS San Mateo is correct in saying that vessels with closed off galleys when not open would reduce the passenger capacity of the ferry as it would be open to passengers only during service hours. I clearly remember the galley on MV Chetzemoka. It was a nice and cozy space that took up about 1/3rd of the space on one side of the vessel. I remember that it served good food and folks could enjoy it when she was on the San Juan Island run. There was usually time to enjoy the meal, especially between Anacortes and Friday Harbor because the "Old Chetz" was never in a hurry. ;D This galley space was locked up when the galley was not in operation. Wednesday greetings! Ladies and gentlemen on this forum's thread, as promised, I present you with the layouts of the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY in their pre-steeling configuration. I chose the 1970s as the period as I rode these on the Mukilteo - Clinton run most during this time up to 1982. The illustrations show both sides of the vessels and the Saloon Deck layout. Only the heads (MEN and LADIES), purser's office (PUR OFF), crew day room (CREW), lockers (L), life preservers (LP), and storage space (STO) are labeled. Life preservers were also stored in benches on the Saloon Deck and overhead bins on the Main Deck as they are in today's configuration. The rest of the areas are self explanatory in giving you a clean drawing. MV ILLAHEE'S LAYOUT IN THE 1970'S MV NISQUALLY'S LAYOUT IN THE 1970'S Here are some neat notes: GALLEY AND DINING ROOM All four Steel Electrics' galleys were different. After the NISQUALLY and QUINAULT had their original counters with swivel stools removed in the early 1970s, the galley would be fully contained in a rectangular housing. The dining room would get red and yellow formed tables and seats and bright orange bulkheads and red flooring. I do not know when the dining space on the ILLAHEE and KLICKITAT were redone. These two were given an angled serving counter. The seating configuration of the dining room on all four were different. Only the ILLAHEE had an open door policy after hours and her galley's door was padlocked and the dots on the serving counter show where the steel screen folded down to. Her dining room's entrance doors were removed and vending machines were installed against the number two end bulkhead adjacent to the observatory. The other three had entrance doors remained and were locked up after hours, requiring everyone to go outside to get to the number two end observatory. PURSER'S OFFICE The purser's office on the NISQUALLY and KLICKITAT were installed adjacent to the galley and dining room. The office on the ILLAHEE and QUINAULT was located in the main lounge. A US Customs booth was located in the main lounge on the KLICKITAT (in the same area as the purser's office on the ILLAHEE and QUINAULT). CENTER LOUNGE This space was originally an amidships shelter. In the 1940s, the KLICKITAT and NISQUALLY received some lounge space in this area. In the 1950s, the ILLAHEE and QUINAULT had their amidships shelter completely enclosed and upholstered benches installed. About the turn of the 1960s, the KLICKITAT and NISQUALLY received the same treatment, with the seating configuration identical (except for the dining room entry as the KLICKITAT had benches and the NISQUALLY had vending machines and newspaper boxes). The configuration on the ILLAHEE and QUINAULT were slightly different. The fiddly was quite noisy from the exhaust from the powerful main diesel generators below decks. MAIN LOUNGE Except for the mentioned purser's office and the US Customs booth in the above paragraph, the main lounges on all four were basically the same minus a few details. Entrance doors were installed originally prior to the amidships upholstering (these were all removed). All benches in this lounge were upholstered during the amidships upholstering and were mounted at six feet increments (the main lounge originally had wooden benches at eight feet increments). OBSERVATORIES The observatories on all four were about the same, except for the window heights. The KLICKITAT and NISQUALLY had taller ones installed while the ILLAHEE and QUINAULT had ones the same hight as the others in the main body of the superstructure. All seats were movable to whatever arrangement was needed on each run. NIGHT SAILINGS ON THE MUKILTEO RUN It was fun for me in riding these vessels at night on the Mukilteo run. The observatories were dimmed at night. Only a few, if any, light bulbs were on and the room back-lit from lights in the dining room and main lounge. It was fun to see the lighted shoreline on the other side come closer and closer on the fourteen minute dock-to-dock trips these made (longer trips when landings were made using the north slip at Clinton). None of these sights were visible in fog except for the last minute, naturally! You can still see this on the newer vessels on this run. INTERNATIONAL RULES NAVIGATION LIGHTS If you are wondering about the long straight fixture located above the dining room, this was the aft masthead light in its resting state. This system was used when these vessels were in international rules (Canada) at night. The mast would be raised and guy wired when required. There is a picture of the KLICKITAT at Orcas with this up. The QUINAULT never had this feature until her steeling in 1987. All double ended ferries on Puget Sound used the inland rules with the 360-degree white light level with each other at each end and red and green side lights at the sides. All this changed in the 1980s with all ferries using the international rules system. The ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY were given mast alterations. The ILLAHEE, NISQUALLY, and QUINAULT had IRL's built-in during their 1987 steelings. The KLICKITAT has aft masthead lights on tall guy wired masts. Enjoy these drawings!
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MV Hyak
Dec 27, 2006 22:01:05 GMT -8
Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 27, 2006 22:01:05 GMT -8
awesome work, thank-you.
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Neil
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MV Hyak
Dec 27, 2006 22:19:23 GMT -8
Post by Neil on Dec 27, 2006 22:19:23 GMT -8
Yes, much appreciated. Boats with such histories should be properly chronicled. I wonder how many people have travelled on each of those vessels in their 80 (?) years. Any guess?
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MV Hyak
Jan 2, 2007 20:19:53 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Jan 2, 2007 20:19:53 GMT -8
Elevators don't like to travel in any direction other than vertically. When the lateral component (i.e., rolling) gets involved, there's a trip switch that is, theoretically, like the "tilt" mechanism on a pinball machine. That's part of it... then there's the whole electrical-components-and-salt-water-exposure issue, which I suspect is the majority cause. Oh, and did I mention that the elevators on the Issaquah are heaps of post-consumer waste? Guess someone at WSF's keeps a daily elevator report. Let's see ;D! Today 3 elevators are out of service: MV Illahee, MV Kaleetan, and MV Walla Walla. Are elevators maintained under contract, or by WSF? Just wondering.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 3, 2007 8:59:12 GMT -8
WSF's elevators are maintained by contract. It's interesting to note that only the Mark IIs seem to have relatively trouble-free elevators... the only other class built with elevators were the Issaquahs and EVERYTHING was cut-rate on those. (Floating proof that you get what you pay for.)
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Post by zman on Jan 3, 2007 9:38:25 GMT -8
Those layout drawings are awesome!! As of now, the klickitat's galley does not have any doors to it, only the steel window covers at the serving area.
As of lately, the elevators that have been recently installed (with the exception of the Tillikum) seem to be the most problematic. They are Kone elevators, and they are pretty quick. It seems that the Kaleetan and Walla Walla are popular, and the Hyak has problems every once in a while.
BTW: I was on the Kaleetan this am, and I could have sworn that the elevator is in service.
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MV Hyak
Jan 3, 2007 14:48:47 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 3, 2007 14:48:47 GMT -8
I was on her saturday and looked to me that the elevator was in service, no notices whatsoever.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 4, 2007 7:21:50 GMT -8
I was on her saturday and looked to me that the elevator was in service, no notices whatsoever. Very odd. The website is still showing bulletins that say the elevators are out on the Kaleetan and Walla Walla still. Seems a long time for them to be out, but then again it was a holiday weekend, so maybe they're playing catch up on other repairs?
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MV Hyak
Jan 4, 2007 14:44:17 GMT -8
Post by zman on Jan 4, 2007 14:44:17 GMT -8
Indeed the Kaleetan's elevator is in service...checked this morning. Maybe they know that it will break sometime soon, and they just want to keep the alert up
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MV Hyak
Jan 5, 2007 13:03:19 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Jan 5, 2007 13:03:19 GMT -8
[glow=red,2,300]PROGRESS ;D[/glow] According to the WSF Bulletin this morning, the elevator on MV Illahee has been repaired and returned to service. The two other lifts are still inop according to WSF.
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MV Hyak
Jan 6, 2007 12:29:39 GMT -8
Post by zman on Jan 6, 2007 12:29:39 GMT -8
WSF had a bulliten that said "the elevator on the Kitsap is closed due to weather". I paid special attention to the Kaleetan's elevator today, and all is well.
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 14:30:58 GMT -8
Post by Mike C on Jan 9, 2007 14:30:58 GMT -8
Did someone say, Kaleetan? What's up with this?
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 15:09:56 GMT -8
Post by northwesterner on Jan 9, 2007 15:09:56 GMT -8
Did someone say, Kaleetan? What's up with this? The Captain was showing off his new waterfront house to his girlfriend. No better view of it than from the wheelhouse.
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 15:10:02 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 9, 2007 15:10:02 GMT -8
Did someone say, Kaleetan? What's up with this? Might be a storm route. I just pulled this up on vessel watch: The Sealth appears to be following the same route the Kaleetan was going earlier. I didn't see any service bulletin about any storm route (there should've been one considering the course change would've affected the schedule).
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 17:28:07 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 17:28:07 GMT -8
Well, the impact to the schedule wouldn't be tremendous given that when the weather goes south, the traffic follows suit.
Also, it's at the master's discretion, which also means that the individual vessels don't necessarily report to the office that the storm routes are being used.
Also, with the Tacoma having just taken herself out of service with rudder problems which reportedly require drydocking, and the main slip at Port Townsend damaged so that they are being forced to use the ancient single-wide slip (which can't carry trucks over 40' in length or 8'6" in width because it's so narrow), I daresay Operations has its hands full. ;D
Besides, some of those service bulletins are bordering on absurd. Blow-by-blow accounts of how late the vessels are every time they sail at Mukilteo (I assure you I've seen notices that the boat left four minutes late), announcements that galley service on PT/K is closed today (without anyone really publicising that it was even open)... I'm still waiting for the bulletin broadcasting "The second stall in the men's room on the Tacoma is currently out of tissue. Travelers are advised to use an alternate stall."
Remember the days when people wanted to get on a ferry so they just got in line and waited? ;D
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 17:29:37 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 17:29:37 GMT -8
Did someone say, Kaleetan? What's up with this? The Captain was showing off his new waterfront house to his girlfriend. No better view of it than from the wheelhouse. Today's horrible passage-of-time realization: that particular incident to which you allude happened twenty-three years ago.
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 18:05:43 GMT -8
Post by northwesterner on Jan 9, 2007 18:05:43 GMT -8
Well, the impact to the schedule wouldn't be tremendous given that when the weather goes south, the traffic follows suit. Also, it's at the master's discretion, which also means that the individual vessels don't necessarily report to the office that the storm routes are being used. It appears that the vessels are traveling north to undertake a shorter (distance wise) crossing of Rosario Strait. I'd love to be up there in the islands right now going for a ride. Question on the ancient single wide at PT: The ferry dock at PT is relatively new. Further down the waterfront is (was?) the remains of the original dock, which was still in use until the early/mid 80s (I think...). Why does the dock at PT have an ancient ramp on the #2 slip? Is the ramp from the old dock? Was it simply moved over in order to reduce costs when the new dock was built?
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 18:20:54 GMT -8
Post by Mike C on Jan 9, 2007 18:20:54 GMT -8
I didn't see any service bulletin about any storm route (there should've been one considering the course change would've affected the schedule). Wanna bet?
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 18:39:35 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 18:39:35 GMT -8
Question on the ancient single wide at PT: The ferry dock at PT is relatively new. Further down the waterfront is (was?) the remains of the original dock, which was still in use until the early/mid 80s (I think...). Why does the dock at PT have an ancient ramp on the #2 slip? Is the ramp from the old dock? Was it simply moved over in order to reduce costs when the new dock was built? Someone with longer whiskers than I must answer this question, unfortunately. I'm still looking for that print I have of the Spokane at the old dock at PT to verify it. That having been said, I suspect that might well have been the case.
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 19:48:23 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 9, 2007 19:48:23 GMT -8
Unless the ramp at the old dock was replaced prior to the dock closing down, the ramp at the #2 slip is not the same one that is/was at the old dock (there is a ramp at the old dock, but I don't know for certain if it's the same one that was there pior to the dock closing). I've seen a picture in "The Ferry Story -- The Evergreen Fleet in Profile" of the old dock with the Rhododendron preparing to dock and, IIRC, the ramp looked more like what you see at most docks. The ramp at the #2 slip has a truss design that resembles the ramp at the auxillary slip at Bremerton.
The #2 slip is more of a tie-up slip (it has the shorter wingwalls that you's normally see at a tie-up slip).
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 21:20:56 GMT -8
Post by hergfest on Jan 9, 2007 21:20:56 GMT -8
Why was the Spokane ever at PT?
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 21:24:54 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 9, 2007 21:24:54 GMT -8
Why was the Spokane ever at PT? After the Hood Canal Bridge sank in 1979, WSF created an Edmonds - Port Townsend route to help out until service could be established on Hood Canal. Initially they used a super class ferry, then they replaced that boat with the Spokane.
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MV Hyak
Jan 9, 2007 22:30:02 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 22:30:02 GMT -8
The Spokane and Walla Walla swapped out periodically, but I do believe it was primarily the Spokane's gig.
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MV Hyak
Jan 10, 2007 16:16:56 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 10, 2007 16:16:56 GMT -8
I snagged this off the Pt. Townsend webcam earlier: Shortly afterwards, the floating dolphin on the left side was moved away.
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