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Post by Kahloke on Nov 23, 2012 15:19:36 GMT -8
I just found this photograph of a painting in a long lost box of things that my Grandma had. I have no idea how she ended up with it, but I scanned it in, and am now sharing it. Enjoy! The artist's name is R. Tandecki, whoever that is
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Post by Neil on Nov 23, 2012 15:28:17 GMT -8
I just found this photograph of a painting in a long lost box of things that my Grandma had. I have no idea how she ended up with it, but I scanned it in, and am now sharing it. Enjoy! The artist's name is R. Tandecki, whoever that is That is a really nice piece. I like the figure near the front of the car deck. Perhaps this is the artist... www.tandeckistudio.com/
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 23, 2012 15:48:14 GMT -8
I just found this photograph of a painting in a long lost box of things that my Grandma had. I have no idea how she ended up with it, but I scanned it in, and am now sharing it. Enjoy! The artist's name is R. Tandecki, whoever that is That is an awesome painting! I love the seagulls and how the lights reflect on the water!
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Post by mrdot on Nov 23, 2012 16:24:30 GMT -8
:)thank-you for posting the nice rendering of the San Mateo in happi er times, it is so sad to see her now along with our first BC ferry! mrdot.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 23, 2012 19:30:18 GMT -8
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 23, 2012 23:18:41 GMT -8
Interesting indeed. This artist probably has understood in what is the Kalakala's destiny and well shows it. Love the bow view, great find, WCK!
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 23, 2012 23:24:05 GMT -8
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 23, 2013 15:46:39 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jun 23, 2013 18:19:26 GMT -8
Since all we have on this thread are a lot of repetitive death shots, I couldn't find a picture to confirm whether this drawing was just really bad in terms of proportion, or whether the San Mateo was really that different on either end?
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 23, 2013 21:55:39 GMT -8
I think the photo is just really bad in terms of proportion. For all the years the San Mateo sat at the Naval Reserve I don't recall one end being more "open" than the other.
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Post by compdude787 on Jun 24, 2013 15:46:52 GMT -8
But the artist was correct in putting the San Mateo's smokestack closer to one end of the ferry, as that's really where it was placed. Other than that, the San Mateo looks symmetrical when viewed from the side.
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 24, 2013 21:25:07 GMT -8
That is correct, the smokestack was offset...
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 24, 2013 22:49:30 GMT -8
The term is "funnel"... Not 'smokestack'
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Post by FNS on Jun 24, 2013 23:06:02 GMT -8
And, here's the inboard profile of this three-vessel class of ferries from this site: www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Photograph:%20wa0222&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co%20=hh&st=gallery&sg%20=%20trueThe Saloon Deck had the ladies heads, the uptakes, the galley and dining area, and lounges. The Main Deck had the Boiler Casing and the Engine Room Casing as well as the men's heads and means of access to the quarters for the lower ranked crew members. This site has the layouts for you to see of these three ferries. Go to page two to find them. These had 24 inch framing from Frame 0 to Frame 42 ( Frame 0 was at midships) and 21 inch framing to the ends. Overall length of these ferries would be 230 feet.
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 24, 2013 23:13:49 GMT -8
The term is "funnel"... Not 'smokestack' Thanks! Of course, on a steam ship, they really did put out a lot of honest to goodness SMOKE!
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Post by FNS on Jun 25, 2013 0:00:37 GMT -8
From the same site as mentioned above, the trio's Southern Pacific subsidiary Northwestern Pacific's EUREKA has a set of photos and layouts: www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=ferry%20eureka&st=gallery&sg=trueThe walking beam side wheel steamer EUREKA was a huge ferry in her days of operation. The number of ferries on San Francisco Bay was immense! Lots of steam propeller ferries like the SAN MATEO and her sisters, Wooden-Electrics, Steel-Electrics, turbo-electrics, walking beam side wheelers, et al. It was the 1898 BERKELEY that was the first successful propeller steam ferry on our coast. Her machinery set a pattern for future ferries, like the SAN MATEO et al, in a way. Before the BERKELEY, San Diego tried out propellers on the 1888 SILVER GATE. She was a smash hit as she declared war on terminals and was retired quickly!
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 27, 2013 7:35:46 GMT -8
The term is "funnel"... Not 'smokestack' Actually, the terms are interchangeable...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 27, 2013 7:46:25 GMT -8
The term is "funnel"... Not 'smokestack' Actually, the terms are interchangeable... ....and ships are "ships", not "things". (flexes facial muscles and smiles)
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 27, 2013 7:46:44 GMT -8
The term is "funnel"... Not 'smokestack' Actually, the terms are interchangeable... As long as I've studied ships, and as long as I've been involved in the lore of old steamers including the Titanic, I've never heard it officially referred to as 'smokestack.' The correct definitition, as far as I know, and according to every plan of a vessel I've looked at, has always referred to it as a funnel.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 27, 2013 8:34:14 GMT -8
Actually, the terms are interchangeable... As long as I've studied ships, and as long as I've been involved in the lore of old steamers including the Titanic, I've never heard it officially referred to as 'smokestack.' The correct definitition, as far as I know, and according to every plan of a vessel I've looked at, has always referred to it as a funnel. On today's diesel powered ships & ferries I'd go with funnel, but with regard to old steamships, stern wheelers, etc. I'm with Barnacle. The term smokestack is perfectly acceptable. How many times have you heard of the Titanic (and other liners of its time) being referred to as triple or quadruple 'stakers' with reference to the number of stacks (funnels).
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 27, 2013 9:08:43 GMT -8
How many times have you heard of the Titanic (and other liners of its time) being referred to as triple or quadruple 'stakers' with reference to the number of stacks (funnels). Exactly zero. My interest in the Titanic goes back to its discovery in 1985 and was piqued when the 1997 movie came out. Every book I've read refers to the Titanic's funnels as exactly that - funnels. Even White Star Line ads called the Titanic a "Four-funneled liner". Perhaps the biggest page on the subject: titanic-model.com/articles/paints/WEBPAGE_Photographic%20Records%20of%20White%20Star%20Buff/White_Star_Buff_Weighing_the_Evidence.htmWhite Star Line and Titanic historians refer to them as 'funnels'... never have referred to them as 'stacks.' That includes noted Titanic artist Ken Marschall, Titanic historian and discoverer Bob Ballard, and noted Titanic historians Water Lord, James Cameron and Don Lynch. In fact, Walter Lord, author of the Titanic book "A Night to Remember" is quoted in 1926 describing a trip on Titanic's sister ship R.M.S. Olympic:
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 27, 2013 10:37:08 GMT -8
How many times have you heard of the Titanic (and other liners of its time) being referred to as triple or quadruple 'stakers' with reference to the number of stacks (funnels). Exactly zero. My interest in the Titanic goes back to its discovery in 1985 and was piqued when the 1997 movie came out. Every book I've read refers to the Titanic's funnels as exactly that - funnels. Even White Star Line ads called the Titanic a "Four-funneled liner". Perhaps the biggest page on the subject: titanic-model.com/articles/paints/WEBPAGE_Photographic%20Records%20of%20White%20Star%20Buff/White_Star_Buff_Weighing_the_Evidence.htmWhite Star Line and Titanic historians refer to them as 'funnels'... never have referred to them as 'stacks.' That includes noted Titanic artist Ken Marschall, Titanic historian and discoverer Bob Ballard, and noted Titanic historians Water Lord, James Cameron and Don Lynch. In fact, Walter Lord, author of the Titanic book "A Night to Remember" is quoted in 1926 describing a trip on Titanic's sister ship R.M.S. Olympic:
smoke·stack [smohk-stak] Show IPA noun 1. Also called stack. a pipe for the escape of the smoke or gases of combustion, as on a steamboat, locomotive, or building. (Courtesy of Dictionary.com) Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't interchangeable. If you Google "Titanic Smokestack" you get 181,000 results. From Mark Chirnside's Olympic, Titanic, Britannic, An Illustrated History of the Olympic Class Ships: "Journalist George Horne told a story some years later, after a German liner had taken Olympic's place as the largest liner in the world. He explained that 'the dark, flowering smoke above the deck meant power, speed and comfort; the more stacks, the more smoke and power. This belief, strongly held then among foreign-born travellers, was recognized by an old time agent who had difficulty closing an excursion booking for some American bent on a visit to their native land. Horne Continued: On the agent's walls were two large pictures, one showing the Imperator (later to become the Berengaria) with the Statue of Liberty in the background beyond the three stacks. The other picture showed the Olympic at sea...flaunting four stacks. The leader of the excursion party, with two hundred round trip tickets at stake, gazed with admiration and surprise at the four stacks. He wanted everyone to transfer to the Olympic. he would not accept the explanation that it was really a slightly smaller ship, although one of the Atlantic queens. Finally the crafty agent played his ace. "I'll let you in on a secret," he explained. "The port of New York taxes ships according to the number of stacks, but just before coming into New York, the lower two of them. They'll be put up again as soon as you pass the Statue of Liberty." The traveler was delighted. Five stacks! And the deal was closed. It may be apocryphal, but it is an interesting story." (page 8) The word "funnel" is certainly used in ship plans, etc, but I doubt you'd come across a single fan of steamships that wouldn't know exactly what you were talking about when saying "smokestack" or "stack." I think it is more of a case of those who are familiar with the technical aspects of shipbuilding who refer to them as "funnels" but to suggest that one term is correct over the other is just not the case.(Particularly given the dictionary entery above.) One is perhaps more technically correct, but they are both referring to exactly the same thing, and either term is acceptable. Were I writing on the subject, I'd probably default to "funnel" but I wouldn't bust anyone's chops for using "smokestack"--particularly if writing for kids, where "funnel" means something entirely different.
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Post by compdude787 on Jun 27, 2013 10:39:49 GMT -8
I love how we have to bicker over whether we should say "funnel" or "smokestack." Let's just agree to disagree on what the proper term ought to be.
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Post by Neil on Jun 27, 2013 11:47:11 GMT -8
I love how we have to bicker over whether we should say "funnel" or "smokestack." Let's just agree to disagree on what the proper term ought to be. This is a forum for discussing shipping, and nautical terminology is a part of that. if you're not interested in the discussion, there are lots of other threads for you to look at.
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Post by Taxman on Jun 27, 2013 15:21:33 GMT -8
I love how we have to bicker over whether we should say "funnel" or "smokestack." Let's just agree to disagree on what the proper term ought to be. This is a forum for discussing shipping, and nautical terminology is a part of that. if you're not interested in the discussion, there are lots of other threads for you to look at. I wasn't going to weigh in but... I think there is both a common and technical langauge when it comes to something with its own language such a ships. There is likely also some regional variations in languages (both common and technical). Using a non-nautical example, while a "CCPC" probably means something to me and some other members of the forum. To most others, (especially our american friends) this is a foreign concept. My preferred term is "funnel", most "technically descriptive" or "professionally prepared" literature I have seen uses "funnel". However, I understood what was meant when "smokestack" was used, and it appears to be an accurate description of this part of this ship. I don't think anyone misunderstood what part of the ship was being discussed, so the english langauge worked. If this was a comparative summary or drawing of a ship [ed: as in a labelled drawing, not a question about a drawing], I would suggest that the correct "technical name" be used, but for a question of curiosity, I don't see what the fuss is about smokestack vs. funnel. Is there a technical name for "pickle forks" too?
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