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just a reminder of the photo rules that are posted on this forum's rules page (the one that new members are directed to read, when they register here).
Any photos > the max 800px wide may be deleted. This is to prevent side scrolling.
If members don't know why their photos are showing-up too wide, just ask (before you post them). I'm sure that there are lots of people here that can offer advice.
Just wondering......... Would MV Hiyu be a proper fit as a replacement vessel for the Lummi Island ferry? I understand that the current vessel has been considered for replacement. If and when MV Hiyu is surplussed by WSF, could she be transfered to the county at a reasonable cost?
I doubt that it would be a feasible solution. The Hiyu is almost twenty feet wider, which may necessitate removing and replanting dolphins; with a larger (read: over 100 gross ton) vessel, manning requirements would not be likely to change (four-man crew on the Hiyu) and apparently there is a contingent on Lummi that wants things to stay the same, for ever and ever, amen (read: stay out of my gated community).
All this for a boat that is only five years newer than the Whatcom Chief.
Last Edit: Feb 15, 2012 9:37:00 GMT -8 by SS San Mateo
The idea of the. "let's stay the same" - gated community while it may still exist with a very few people, has mostly vanished out here when the current Ferry situation has come to light. In actuality those promoting the idea were a very few, but, a quite vocal group, now the majority of the Islanders have now realized what is going on, that idea has been discredited.
As an H class Vessel, from my reading, the Hiyu would require a minimum crew of five, I believe the WSF has 6 on board. It has no place for disabled people on the main deck, no elevator, and, yes, it would not fit the docks. The Island dock is close, the mainland dock is too narrow.
Further, it would not greatly increase car capacity due to the increase of loading time. Barnacle is right, it's also too old. My take is that a Pierce County style boat would be the best option on an upgrade.
The County has vetted a temporary Board for Ferry Rate evaluation, several of us are also putting together a permanent Ferry Advisory Board, which we hope will begin when the temporary one expires in August.
Some of the items on the agenda for the permanent Board are a New Ferry, and widening the dock slips to take the largest Ferry in the County Fleets, which at this moment is the Steilacoom II at 68 feet wide. Currently, the Mainland Dock needs near total rebuild, this will not happen until the access situation with the Lummi Tribe is settled. Widening would be done during normal dock rebuilding and would also accommodate the existing Ferry, the Guemes, Christine Anderson, STII, Hiyu, Rhododendron, and the three new KdT class Ferries This would help for emergencies like 100 year flood events which cut off the Reservation and all traffic in and out of there must go by water to Fairhaven. The Whatcom Chief is just too small to handle even the Island Passengers, and in no way adequate for the thousands that live on the Reservation, besides, it cannot handle the inclement weather Bellingham Bay is famous for.
The Hiyu might be a great for somewhere, I just don't know where that is
The idea of the. "let's stay the same" - gated community while it may still exist with a very few people, has mostly vanished out here when the current Ferry situation has come to light. In actuality those promoting the idea were a very few, but, a quite vocal group, now the majority of the Islanders have now realized what is going on, that idea has been discredited.
Or at least shouted down. I'm glad to hear that--you folk up there have enough ferry problems without the obstructionists.
As an H class Vessel, from my reading, the Hiyu would require a minimum crew of five, I believe the WSF has 6 on board. It has no place for disabled people on the main deck, no elevator, and, yes, it would not fit the docks. The Island dock is close, the mainland dock is too narrow.
I'd have to look at the COI, but WSF operated it for years with four people. I think two more were added when it was pointed out that if something happens to the captain, you have nobody on board trained in advanced first aid (i.e., defibrillator jockey) or 'approved' by the company to land the boat, so we got a mate added. I think one ordinary seaman was added as well for your total of six. But the last time I looked (which I admit was close to a decade ago), the COI only called for four.
Further, it would not greatly increase car capacity due to the increase of loading time. Barnacle is right, it's also too old. My take is that a Pierce County style boat would be the best option on an upgrade.
I'm probably going to surprise you by observing that the Christine Anderson or Steilacoom II would be a great fit for Lummi. ;D Heck, even a modern version of the Hiyu would do... just not the Hiyu herself, primarily because of her age. You'd only be trading one set of age-related issues for another. The Mighty Hiyu is one of my favorite boats, but I acknowledge her usefulness is limited.
Looks like the mighty MV Hiyu is certificated for all WSF routes? She just completed a voyage from Friday Harbor to Anacortes. Wish I could have been there even there is no galley service! ;D
I wonder how long it would take to sail from Friday Harbour to Anacortes? 2 hours, lol! I know the Evergreen takes a bit longer as she is slower.
Evergreen does Friday Harbor to Anacortes in about 1hr-20min. I don't know Hiyu's crossing time for that route, but I would guess 1hr-30min, or maybe 1hr-35min. Barnacle or EGFleet, do either of you know?
I wonder how long it would take to sail from Friday Harbour to Anacortes? 2 hours, lol! I know the Evergreen takes a bit longer as she is slower.
Evergreen does Friday Harbor to Anacortes in about 1hr-20min. I don't know Hiyu's crossing time for that route, but I would guess 1hr-30min, or maybe 1hr-35min. Barnacle or EGFleet, do either of you know?
Back of the envelope math suggests that it would take about 1:45 to 1:50 in neutral current, depending how you engineer the distance between ANA and FH. On the other hand, there's less time spent slowing the boat down at landings, and less ramp-up time at departure... ;D
Last Edit: Oct 10, 2011 14:15:58 GMT -8 by Barnacle
Post by dasgeneral on Dec 11, 2011 12:25:34 GMT -8
Hey Everyone,
So, I've been a long time lurker on the boards here and finally decided to begin posting. I actually have a personal connection to the Hiyu through my grandfather, who was a long time WSF employee. He was chief engineer of the Hiyu back in the 1970s/80s (I believe), back when it was still sailing the Point Defiance-Talequah route before the Olympic took its place. He worked on a number of ferries in his career, including chief engineer of the Coho for a few years before he retired.
Of all the ferries he worked on, he always had a soft spot in his heart for the Hiyu. He always said it was reliable and when it broke down he didn't have too many problems getting it working again. While the Hiyu may be small and somewhat out of date for today's transportation needs in Western Washington, I can't say a bad word about that boat.
