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Post by Ferryman on Jun 8, 2012 21:02:59 GMT -8
MV Salish tied just after being tied up for the night at Port Townsend. June 3rd, 2012
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Sept 11, 2012 11:47:52 GMT -8
Took these of the M.V. Salish on the return trip back. I have to say it felt good riding a ferry I witnessed being dedicated. M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr ^----- Taken while on the approach to Keystone Harbor. M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr ^--- Looking out off the pickle fork decks. M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr ^--- Taken from the very table I sat at, during the open house/dedication ceremony last year. M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr ^--- Taken before the sun deck packed up, just prior to our departure. M.V. Salish, Washington State Ferries by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 17:27:21 GMT -8
Looks like the Salish will being providing one boat service on Port Townsend to Keystone on October 8 to October 13 and the Salish will be operating on the Point Defiance-Tahlequah from to November 12 to November 19.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 28, 2012 13:51:47 GMT -8
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Post by Elwha on the Rocks on Oct 14, 2012 20:04:34 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 15:57:22 GMT -8
The Salish is going to be on the Point Defiance to Tahlequah from November 12 to November 26. Will this be the first time for the Salish to be on the Point Defiance to Tahlequah?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 9, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -8
The Salish is going to be on the Point Defiance to Tahlequah from November 12 to November 26. Will this be the first time for the Salish to be on the Point Defiance to Tahlequah? Yes. The Salish will also be on the Vashon/Fauntleroy/Southworth route for a couple of weeks in mid-December and for a week at the end of the year.
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Post by FNS on Dec 8, 2012 9:06:04 GMT -8
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Post by suburbanite on Dec 8, 2012 9:30:37 GMT -8
Thanks for posting the web cam pictures Ferry Nut.
The Salish is only making 12-13 knots and is falling behind schedule.
Didn't she make 15 knots in trials?
She has 1000 more HP than the Kitsap yet the Salish is 4 knots slower?
Will the Kitsap lap her today?
Wouldn't this be a good time to get those main engines warm?
What gives?
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Post by Chippewa on Dec 8, 2012 10:54:08 GMT -8
I think WSF should have taken the Salish to the San Juan Islands for the Inter Island run and brought the Evergreen State down to F/V/S run on Friday and then put the Issaquah on the Bremerton. This way F/V/S would have had all three Evergreen State class boats on the run with 87 cars each. I wonder why WSF is running the Salish at only 12-13 knots instead of what it's web site said is 16 knots. To much gas being used ?
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Post by chokai on Dec 8, 2012 13:05:34 GMT -8
The reserve plan indicates this is what they are "supposed" to do when a KdT is in reserve, but it seems a little disconnected from reality and silly. I don't quite get why they didn't pull Issaquah, Tillikum or Klahowya off of the Triangle and stick Salish there on Friday afternoon. That would have been a very quick and very easy swap and at least she would've been able to hold the schedule with Tillikum and Klahowya. And Salish is due to go there anyways next week. I think they just needed a quick and dirty solution for the evening commute as bringing boats from elsewhere wasn’t viable.
So looking at the contract specs the KdTs controlled pitch props are "optimized" for 12 - 14 knots and that's what we are seeing. The desired trial speed was 15.5 knots. So they are either choosing to not run her that fast for some reason, such as fuel, or she simply cannot run that fast.
I've been skeptical of the top speed matter since the vibration issues with Chetzemoka. The 16 knots on the website is simply wrong and she may not even be capable of the design 15.5kt top speed. I was hoping for something like this a little bit to confirm that suspicion. I spent some time hunting around for the sea trials result paperwork for all three boats but couldn't find it online and didn't have the motivation to file a public records request.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 13:22:40 GMT -8
I think WSF should have taken the Salish to the San Juan Islands for the Inter Island run and brought the Evergreen State down to F/V/S run on Friday and then put the Issaquah on the Bremerton. This way F/V/S would have had all three Evergreen State class boats on the run with 87 cars each. I agree with you about putting the Salish on the Inter Island run and bring the Evergreen State down to the F/V/S route and putting the Issaquah on the Bremerton route.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 8, 2012 13:29:34 GMT -8
I think WSF should have taken the Salish to the San Juan Islands for the Inter Island run and brought the Evergreen State down to F/V/S run on Friday and then put the Issaquah on the Bremerton. This way F/V/S would have had all three Evergreen State class boats on the run with 87 cars each. I agree with you about putting the Salish on the Inter Island run and bring the Evergreen State down the to F/V/S and putting the Issaquah on the Bremerton. How long would it have taken Salish to reach Friday Harbor, from where she was? - I don't know if she would have been available in-time for serving as inter-island ship today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 13:33:19 GMT -8
I agree with you about putting the Salish on the Inter Island run and bring the Evergreen State down the to F/V/S and putting the Issaquah on the Bremerton. How long would it have taken Salish to reach Friday Harbor, from where she was? - I don't know if she would have been available in-time for serving as inter-island ship today. They could do the vessel switch tonight after the last Inter Island sailing.
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Post by chokai on Dec 8, 2012 14:02:32 GMT -8
How long would it have taken Salish to reach Friday Harbor, from where she was? - I don't know if she would have been available in-time for serving as inter-island ship today. It's about 60nm from EH to Anacortes so over 4 hours, tide was going out so maybe they'd pick up a little speed. But they'd lose some as the weather at Admiralty Inlet was pretty crappy, Kennewick skipped several sailings Friday as I understand it. That type of delay would've left Bremerton on one boat service, after already starting down on capacity, on the Friday evening commute with essentially no notice to commuters. Friday was already crappy enough with Salish running 45 minutes late with 2/3 the capacity. The emergency service plans which are posted here are a good read: www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/serviceThey outline what the "official" plan is, though that definitely doesn't mean "best". I'm sure there are also staffing considerations of moving boats all over the place over wide distances. I'm betting Barnacle, Chief or someone who has worked or works for the ferries could provide some info on how that plays in.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 8, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -8
I'm guessing after today we probably won't see a Tub Toy on the Bremerton route again:
The 3:00 pm sailing from Bremerton to Seattle and the 4:20 pm sailing from Seattle to Bremerton are cancelled due to the slower Salish. We apologize for the inconvenience. Updates will occur when conditions change.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Dec 8, 2012 14:23:39 GMT -8
Sweet. That means I got to be one of the lucky few here who took advantage. I took the 11:10 (11:35 actual) sailing out of Seattle departure to Bremerton. Will have pix up later this evening or tomorrow!
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Post by SolDuc on Dec 8, 2012 16:25:17 GMT -8
Took that 11:10 sailing too (also with SS San Mateo and FerryNut) on the Salish and here are a few interesting facts I noticed: - They are single lane loading in Seattle, yet they are double loading/unloading in Bremerton - It does not slow down at the narrowest point of Rich Passage - It turn so fast! The Issys are CPPs but it still turns excessively fast Now the pictures: MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Sun Deck. Really nice to chat as the full beam bridges prevent most of the wind from going. MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - WSF by BrasegaliWA, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr With the new turquoise Space Needle: MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr
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Post by SolDuc on Dec 8, 2012 19:12:37 GMT -8
And some more pictures: Pano at Bremerton. Sailed with only 61 cars (yes, I counted them!) because passenger capacity was obviously reached (Ferrynut can confirm that since he was on that trip): And when people are in a hurry that can lead to mistakes:
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Post by chokai on Dec 8, 2012 21:31:29 GMT -8
Out of curiosity how well did the cabin work for the listed passenger capacity in terms of space? I've had a few regular commuters tell me they have had to stand on the Issaquah's on the Bremerton run sometimes.
There had been a request at some point by the legislature to look at the costs of providing rescue equipment (not necessarily crew) to certify at least one of the KdTs for 1,200 passengers. I think the reasoning was exactly for a scenario like this.
Single lane vs double lane offloading. The Bremerton slip at Colman dock has a solid apron, does Bremerton slip have one of the ones that can adjust to the list of the boat ?
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Post by Mike C on Dec 8, 2012 21:42:43 GMT -8
Team, great photos and awesome documentation. Enjoyed the ones posted, and looking forward to Steve's and FerryNut's.
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Post by SolDuc on Dec 8, 2012 22:38:20 GMT -8
Out of curiosity how well did the cabin work for the listed passenger capacity in terms of space? I've had a few regular commuters tell me they have had to stand on the Issaquah's on the Bremerton run sometimes. There had been a request at some point by the legislature to look at the costs of providing rescue equipment (not necessarily crew) to certify at least one of the KdTs for 1,200 passengers. I think the reasoning was exactly for a scenario like this. Single lane vs double lane offloading. The Bremerton slip at Colman dock has a solid apron, does Bremerton slip have one of the ones that can adjust to the list of the boat ? A 1,200 passenger capacity would've been good, as it would have filled the boat to maximum car capacity. According to the plans, the KDTs have some 420 interior seats (and 182 outside, making a total of 602 seats). According to EGFleet, the Issaquahs have some 600 hundreds seats. So I guess that the cabin was full on most of the sailings from Seattle yesterday. As I saw when I went down to the cabin was that it was pretty full of life (still seating available, but busy). I guess they were single lane loading in Seattle because they were filling water at the same time. Maybe they did not want a car to run over the pipe. Team, great photos and awesome documentation. Enjoyed the ones posted, and looking forward to Steve's and FerryNut's. You forgot SS San Mateo
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Post by FNS on Dec 8, 2012 22:45:56 GMT -8
I had an enjoyable late morning/early afternoon cruise aboard the good ferry SALISH. Yes, she was a little late on her sailings. But, she's doing what she can do on a route like the demanding one I took. This was the Seattle - Bremerton run. The third I've ridden aboard the SALISH besides the Port Townsend to Keystone Harbor at Coupeville run and the San Juan Islands. This was my first ride on a big city run aboard a KDT. The first to board a KDT ferry using the foot passenger plank that touches the pickle forks of the Saloon Deck aboard ferries. Without adding too much writing, here's my photo journal of my latest sailings aboard the SALISH: Here comes the SALISH into Colman Dock. This end usually touches the Keystone dock up in Admiralty Inlet. First time seeing a foot passenger plank deployed aboard a KDT ferry. All Aboard!Being a little late means that the port time is short. The plank will be raised soon and the voyage underway. The SALISH was taking on water from the shore source for us to drink, so it took a bit longer to cast off on this trip. Here we go on route three of my different locations aboard the SALISH. From one big city to another this time. We'd be seeing Keystone Harbor from this end. This time, big tall city buildings. A forum member and the SALISH's big cousin WENATCHEE. Another ferry nut is watching the WENATCHEE make another routine landing in Seattle. From the Sun Deck aboard the SALISH. The 50th Anniversary celebration is complete at Seattle Center. The Space Needle now sports a green top. Looking down Puget Sound and Alki Point. This deck would be crowded on a warm summer day. Today it's a bit coldish. But that doesn't deter me from still enjoying a ferry ride the way it should be. These three people are looking at three different views. One of them is capturing his something thousandth image of the changing scenery as we enter Rich Passage. Capturing course changes are better achieved from a deck having a long promenade. Fish farming in Rich Passage. Another course change. I am so used to the fast turns these KDT ferries make after riding them so many times on the Keystone and San Juan Islands runs. Entering the final stretch on the run to Bremerton. With the rub rails added, these KDT ferries measure the same beam as the ENETAI and WILLAPA had. 66 feet. This would be the scene people enjoyed on the Sun Deck aboard the two mentioned former ferries as well as the KALAKALA, CHIPPEWA, and others. I have taken pictures from this viewpoint so many times on the Keystone and San Juan Island runs, but the first of this sight of Bremerton fastly approaching. Closing on into Bremerton. Three great ferry fans pose at my lens. Arriving Bremerton. The crew had to make sure they were using the right announcement to include the use of the foot passenger plank. I've been so used in getting off these KDT ferries on the Main Deck. The plank is deployed. Time to go ashore. Starboard side of the SALISH. The westbound trip aboard the SALISH is complete. There were lots of people riding on these trips. All interior levels were well utilized by passengers. My photos of the eastbound trip will be forthcoming soon.
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Post by FNS on Dec 9, 2012 6:43:06 GMT -8
We will now see the photos of the eastbound trip taken aboard the SALISH from Bremerton to Seattle. The SALISH prepares to take on the eastbound load. All aboard for the eastbound voyage!Tons of humanity board the SALISH for this trip. The SALISH got a good test on her passenger accommodations. She passes the grade on this trip. All interior levels had passengers seated with some seats to spare. Cars boarding. Normally, you'd be seeing Port Townsend at this end. Today, it's Bremerton. Navy town, USA. The plank is about to rise. Another short time in port. Underway from Bremerton. This is about the same kind of departure you would see from Port Townsend. The "klacketyklack" sound increases as we gain speed. The End Number One face of the SALISH. Leaving Bremerton astern. This reminds us that this ferry serves Port Townsend seasonally. And Whidbey Island. Rich Passage from the End Number Two observatory. Entering Rich Passage again. Housing along the shores. One last look at Bremerton. Rounded the bend and in the Passage. Exiting Rich Passage as Seattle comes into view. North Puget Sound from the cabin window. End Number Two bridge. And the load. A view from the stern on the Main Deck. How can there be tall buildings in Keystone Harbor? ;D Normally you would be seeing the cliffs hiding Fort Casey through this end of the Main Deck. This time, we see the big city of Seattle. A nice view from the Mezzanine Deck. Passing Duwamish. Arriving Seattle. You would normally see Keystone Harbor at this viewpoint. Looking up to the Space Needle. The stadium district. No touchdowns or home runs today, though. One last look at the Sun Deck before getting off. On shore as we see the SALISH and the Argosy tour vessels. The Christmas Ship SPIRIT OF SEATTLE was blaring some beautiful holiday music. This is the Christmas month of December. Normally you would see the PUYALLUP on the Kingston run. This one time visitor to Canada is visiting the Winslow run as the TACOMA is in maintenance. No maple leaf flag seen on her, but there are lots of fallen leaves on our grounds here in Seattle. After a quick port of call, the SALISH sets out again for another cruise to Bremerton. SALISH and the End Number One nose of the PUYALLUP. MV SALISH. One last photo of the SALISH as she heads out of Elliott Bay. This has been a great trip aboard the SALISH. She'll be visiting "Little Lord Fauntleroy" this week. Then later at Tacoma when the CHETZEMOKA goes in to get her rub rails extended by three frames at each end.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Dec 9, 2012 10:52:02 GMT -8
I just woke up a half hour ago after deadheading back from Wenatchee. Took the last sailing out of Seattle aboard the M.V. Kitsap at 12:50.
Currently processing/selecting the 200+ photos I took of yesterday's ferry excursions aboard the M.V. Klahowya, M.V. Salish, and M.V. Kitsap.
Will have my pix up online very shorly, stay tuned!!
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