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Post by EGfleet on Jul 19, 2010 11:55:51 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 19, 2010 12:41:40 GMT -8
Will her interior be similar to that of the newly redone Issaquah, then?
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 19, 2010 15:09:44 GMT -8
Will her interior be similar to that of the newly redone Issaquah, then? I hope not. I like having different colour schemes/palettes on each vessel. It makes each one unique. FYI - this is what Tillikum looks like now: Besides replacing the Eames chairs with more comfortable ones, I don't think Tillikum's cabin looks bad in its current state.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 19, 2010 17:01:23 GMT -8
It's kinda irritating that WSF can keep their ferries for so much longer than BC Ferries does. WSF kept their Steel Electrics until they were... it had to be 70 something years...? Tilly is going on 60 soon, I presume, yet BC Ferries seems to have fun retiring their ships at 40 or 45...
I know it's been discussed here many times before, but why is this? Does WSF maintain their ferries better than BCF does?
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Post by northwesterner on Jul 19, 2010 17:42:40 GMT -8
We kept the Steel Electrics WAY TOO LONG.
The Evergreen State Class is due for retirement as soon as the long planned 144-car ferries are built.
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Post by Curtis on Jul 19, 2010 20:48:44 GMT -8
It's kinda irritating that WSF can keep their ferries for so much longer than BC Ferries does. WSF kept their Steel Electrics until they were... it had to be 70 something years...? Tilly is going on 60 soon, I presume, yet BC Ferries seems to have fun retiring their ships at 40 or 45... I know it's been discussed here many times before, but why is this? Does WSF maintain their ferries better than BCF does? I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say it has to do with Government spending. It's really is amazing that the Steels were forced into retirement when they were, but when you think about it, before they were, the DOT appeared to have the mentality that a little paint and the odd required safety upgrade would get them through the day since it would not cost near as much as new vessels. Once the Steels were removed, they were caught with their pants down from a lack of vessels. Compared to us North of the Border, where BCF is no longer a full Govt. Operation (thanks to H.S.T. Campbell). The new BCFS set out to renew the fleet, and what better way to renew it? Upgrade and replace it's aging vessels! If BCF was still a Crown Corporation, I'm sure I would have been sailing on the 50 Year Old Queen of Tsawwassen this past June 15th. There's no telling when a true "Queen of Richmond" could have been announced under Crown Corp BCFC. Enough of my rambling though...
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 19, 2010 21:36:21 GMT -8
It's kinda irritating that WSF can keep their ferries for so much longer than BC Ferries does. WSF kept their Steel Electrics until they were... it had to be 70 something years...? Tilly is going on 60 soon, I presume, yet BC Ferries seems to have fun retiring their ships at 40 or 45... I know it's been discussed here many times before, but why is this? Does WSF maintain their ferries better than BCF does? I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say it has to do with Government spending. It's really is amazing that the Steels were forced into retirement when they were, but when you think about it, before they were, the DOT appeared to have the mentality that a little paint and the odd required safety upgrade would get them through the day since it would not cost near as much as new vessels. Once the Steels were removed, they were caught with their pants down from a lack of vessels. Compared to us North of the Border, where BCF is no longer a full Govt. Operation (thanks to H.S.T. Campbell). The new BCFS set out to renew the fleet, and what better way to renew it? Upgrade and replace it's aging vessels! If BCF was still a Crown Corporation, I'm sure I would have been sailing on the 50 Year Old Queen of Tsawwassen this past June 15th. There's no telling when a true "Queen of Richmond" could have been announced under Crown Corp BCFC. Enough of my rambling though... It's not as simple as any of your conjectures, or Luke's, either. There's a lot of history here as to why things have unfolded the way they have for WSF, much of which has been covered to death on various threads in this forum. I will not repeat what has been said before, but suffice it to say, WSF did NOT plan on keeping the Steel Electrics, Rhody, and the Evergreens as long as they did/have. If things had gone according to plans made 10+ years ago, we would already have 4 144-car ferries in service now, Keystone would have been dredged or relocated, and the Steely's + Evergreen State and Rhododendron would be retired by now. That was the plan. As most of us know, many things have gone awry, and I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 20, 2010 6:32:41 GMT -8
I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say it has to do with Government spending. It's really is amazing that the Steels were forced into retirement when they were, but when you think about it, before they were, the DOT appeared to have the mentality that a little paint and the odd required safety upgrade would get them through the day since it would not cost near as much as new vessels. Once the Steels were removed, they were caught with their pants down from a lack of vessels. Compared to us North of the Border, where BCF is no longer a full Govt. Operation (thanks to H.S.T. Campbell). The new BCFS set out to renew the fleet, and what better way to renew it? Upgrade and replace it's aging vessels! If BCF was still a Crown Corporation, I'm sure I would have been sailing on the 50 Year Old Queen of Tsawwassen this past June 15th. There's no telling when a true "Queen of Richmond" could have been announced under Crown Corp BCFC. Enough of my rambling though... It's not as simple as any of your conjectures, or Luke's, either. There's a lot of history here as to why things have unfolded the way they have for WSF, much of which has been covered to death on various threads in this forum. I will not repeat what has been said before, but suffice it to say, WSF did NOT plan on keeping the Steel Electrics, Rhody, and the Evergreens as long as they did/have. If things had gone according to plans made 10+ years ago, we would already have 4 144-car ferries in service now, Keystone would have been dredged or relocated, and the Steely's + Evergreen State and Rhododendron would be retired by now. That was the plan. As most of us know, many things have gone awry, and I'll just leave it at that. Exactly! And as a result of the Steel Electric debacle, WSF was finally forced to set a concrete retirement date for its vessels--60 years. We'll see how much enforcing of this goes on by the legislature who, in typical fashion, demands a mandate and then does nothing to fund it. The clock is ticking on the Evergreen State Class and if they don't kick down with funds for the 144's, they'll be going against their own policy. I'd like to say I'm surprised by this, but I'm not.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 20, 2010 13:18:12 GMT -8
How old is the Rhody now??? I seemed to think she was not much younger than the SteelE's...
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Post by FNS on Jul 20, 2010 13:24:27 GMT -8
How old is the Rhody now??? I seemed to think she was not much younger than the SteelE's... The RHODODENDRON was built in 1947. She had a massive rebuild in 1991. So, parts of her are old and parts of her are rather young.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 6, 2010 13:10:09 GMT -8
It looks like work on the Tillikum is taking longer than expected. The current layup schedule (09/01/2010) shows work ending on 10/03, but as of today is still not back into service. I wonder if the "unexpected steel replacement whenever floor tiles are replaced" problem showed up.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 14, 2010 7:44:15 GMT -8
Tillikum just left Anacortes. Assuming she returns to service today (replacing the Klahowya), I may be able to get some pictures tonight.
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Post by FNS on Oct 14, 2010 14:46:20 GMT -8
Tillikum just left Anacortes. Assuming she returns to service today (replacing the Klahowya), I may be able to get some pictures tonight. TILLIKUM is now back at Vashon Island. The KLAHOWYA is in Eagle Harbor. As the CHETZEMOKA was making her way out of Eagle Harbor for another session of practice landings at Kingston this afternoon... ...The KLAHOWYA was standing in there waiting to land.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Oct 23, 2010 17:56:46 GMT -8
Looks like the Tilly assisted with the recovery of an abandoned marine vessel earlier today. Anybody have any updated info on this?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 23, 2010 21:47:50 GMT -8
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Post by Rhody on Nov 7, 2010 0:58:41 GMT -8
Tillikum departing Fauntleroy while Klahowya patiently waits her turn
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 20, 2010 18:59:12 GMT -8
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Post by zargoman on May 5, 2011 20:53:05 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on May 5, 2011 21:43:19 GMT -8
This is pretty well normal for diesel-electric ferries here. Prior to their 1980s renovations, the Steel-Electrics smoked really good when departing a terminal. Lots of white smoke came out of their 1927 stacks. The same goes with the Jumbos as well. You'll know when a diesel-electric ferry departs the other side. By the white smoke coming out of her stack. I've seen the ILLAHEE depart from Columbia Beach when coming down SR 525 to Mukilteo one day in the 1970s. On a calm day, the white smoke would shoot straight up in a beautiful belch.
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Post by chokai on May 5, 2011 22:30:26 GMT -8
This is pretty well normal for diesel-electric ferries here. As I'm engine ignorant, can you explain why? What exactly is causing it? Relative to say the blacker smoke I notice from the Issaquah's.
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Post by Barnacle on May 6, 2011 7:26:37 GMT -8
This is pretty well normal for diesel-electric ferries here. Actually, if the driver accelerates more gradually and smoothly, they generally don't smoke. (There are a few exceptions, of course.) Until she was re-engined, I thought the Spokane put out darker smoke. I know I spent some quality time sweeping soot off the solarium deck. I usually gauge their departure by when they start to move... ;D
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Post by zargoman on May 6, 2011 9:07:49 GMT -8
Come to think of it, the Hyak is a good smoker too. It just doesn't seem to last as long. I thought that I remember the Tillikum smoking as she left the dock, not the whole way across. You can totally tell when a boat is turning around after departing Southworth or Vashon. The smoke billows out when departing, calms down a little, then goes crazy when the engines are reversed. I've seen the Isaaquah's and their black smoke. I can't speak for the Spokane, but the Walla Walla gets a good coating of soot chunks on her sun deck.
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Post by Barnacle on May 6, 2011 9:19:06 GMT -8
The Hyak smokes because she got the Spokane's refurb'ed engines... ;D
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Post by zargoman on May 6, 2011 14:19:23 GMT -8
;D I forgot about that. I'm on the Hyak as we speak and I did not notice anything out of the normal. On the topic of exhaust, does WSF use regular diesel? The fumes smell different than other diesel engines.
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