ProudCanuck
Chief Steward
Champ Car - Gone, but not forgotten!
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Post by ProudCanuck on Dec 3, 2008 15:58:04 GMT -8
The ICON vessel at the bottom right is pretty crazy! Would be quite interested to see it built though.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 20, 2008 18:53:23 GMT -8
Most of you know about my Website, The Ship-Rider's Guide. Well this is the official announcement for my latest update of Ferries and routes. But I'm also asking for some help. I need more information on the routes that have been added to my site. (Routes 19, 21, 22, 23, and 24) If you have more info on these routes or anything else on my site, I ask you to Email/PM me or Post it here.
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Post by tradof on Feb 10, 2009 1:05:39 GMT -8
Hi, Would anyone of you be interested in helping me with an article about BC Ferries in my FerryPedia? www.ferrypedia.com/wiki/index.php/BC_FerriesPlease register on the site to be able to contribute to the page, or post your comments here and I will use it to compile the information. /Tradof
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 10, 2009 7:56:18 GMT -8
Hello, What is the difference between FerryPedia and Wikipedia? FerryPedia seems to have the same format as Wikipedia, but with a different name. Is there any real connection between the two websites, or is this something you're working on yourself? What do you expect will be different about FerryPedia? Here is a detailed page about BC Ferries on Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Ferries
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Post by Kahloke on Feb 10, 2009 8:58:26 GMT -8
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Mill Bay
Voyager
Long Suffering Bosun
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 10, 2009 11:24:13 GMT -8
Hmmmm... Now who here has been supplying all those images to wikipedia i wonder .
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Post by tradof on Feb 11, 2009 7:22:15 GMT -8
Hi guys, The FerryPedia is built using the same tool as Wikipedia, namely the MediaWiki (www.mediawiki.org) platform. There is a lot of ferry operators and ferry information in the Wikipedia, but it does somewhat disappear in the mass of information there. This is why we started the FerryPedia, which focus only on information on ferries and ferry operators - ferry related information.
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Post by Mike C on Feb 11, 2009 12:13:48 GMT -8
My transit forum (www.cptdb.ca) has the "CPTDB Wiki" for information on all transit systems and vehicles throughout Canada and the United States. Although the interest in ferries worldwide isn't quite as great as the interest in mass transit, I highly endorse a Wiki for Ferry systems worldwide and willing to supply photos/information wherever possible.
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 11, 2009 16:52:33 GMT -8
And I help to edit that page.
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Post by tradof on Feb 12, 2009 5:17:52 GMT -8
Thanks NewFlyer! I really like your wiki! This is exactly what we are trying to build for the ferries. We do not have so much space for images on the site right now, so we have teamed up with a image gallery site for ferry pictures ( www.ferryspotting.com), and allow easy linking of pictures in the wiki from there. You are welcome to upload your pictures on their site and use them in a forum like this or on our ferrypedia. I see you have some info on aviation and railways on your site, but nothing on ferries. Would you be interested in linking over to the FerryPedia for ferry-information? I would happily put in a banner for your wiki in return.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 6, 2009 12:02:16 GMT -8
Luke (LMTengs):
you might find this old thread interesting.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2011 16:28:08 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Dec 31, 2011 13:46:19 GMT -8
Where else to put this, but here? It's an ad for www.ferrysavers.co.ukFound it on a website dedicated to skiing in the Swiss Alps.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Dec 31, 2011 14:20:26 GMT -8
Where else to put this, but here? It's an ad for www.ferrysavers.co.ukFound it on a website dedicated to skiing in the Swiss Alps. Uh oh. Not another Kosova Sealines... Edit: Would someone mind bringing this "company" and this photo to the attention of BC Ferries? I am on my tablet, and cannot get it to copy or paste...
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Post by lmtengs on Dec 31, 2011 14:41:42 GMT -8
Where else to put this, but here? It's an ad for www.ferrysavers.co.ukFound it on a website dedicated to skiing in the Swiss Alps. Uh oh. Not another Kosova Sealines... Edit: Would someone mind bringing this photo to the attention of BC Ferries? I am on my tablet, and cannot get it to copy or paste... Will gladly do, Scott. Should I use their email address customerservice@bcferries.com?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 23, 2012 13:20:53 GMT -8
There's a bit of silly drama going on at a FaceBook group called "Lovers of the Ocean Liners". I know that a few of our Ferry Forum members are members of that FaceBook group, so hopefully they can comment what they think of it. The issue concerns copyright of images posted to that Facebook group, but I think the larger issue is laziness and a lack of respect. The main culprit is a character named "Kipfer Fox" or something like that, and he's actually been banned from Facebook for the large list of unauthorized images that he's been posting. The other vocal supporters on that Facebook page seem to treat him as a hero and martyr for being banned. His style was like this: - post approximately 30 images of old ocean liners into their Facebook news-feed each day, with just the name of the ship and the image, nothing else. - He made absolutely no attempt to research or to mention the source of the photo. No respect for the source or photographer and no appreciation for the fact that someone somewhere sometime took that photo and that he should be grateful to be able to see that photo. So his style was to search, find, take, and post. And he'd do it in such rapid-fire succession that you'd wonder if he was a bit compulsive about photo posting. A relentless series of photos, all with total disregard and disinterest in the source of that photo. So the Kipfer Fox style of photo posting was teaching bad, lazy habits to hundreds of people each day, on that site. Included in that were photos done by our Mr. DOT, and his comments on that site received little respect. Based on the lack of appreciation for Mr. DOT and people like him, I concluded that Kipfer Fox's style was like a greedy child, wanting ship photographs and saying "gimme more, more" and then being totally ignorant of the work and effort that was required to give him his ship-candy. So I think it's sweet justice that Kipfer Fox was banned by FaceBook. Serves him right. ----------------- As a contrast to that type of internet site, I invite you to visit and learn from the site noted here: www.evergreenfleet.com/- read the Tribute part, near the bottom of the home-page of that site. Read through that site and observe the effort and care taken to source and credit the photos. But take a moment to read the tribute part. I've been fortunate to read about and learn about the work of Harre Demoro and Joe Williamson, and I've had the opportunity to meet David Thorne. I don't just see their beautiful work and copy it without caring about who they were. I am appreciative of the legacy that those great photographers have given us.
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mrdot
Voyager
Mr. DOT
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Post by mrdot on Jun 23, 2012 16:37:30 GMT -8
:)thank you for your kind comments and explanation of some of this site manipulation you have outlined so well. In my dissapointment of being dumped from the site that so freely steels material, sometimes even my own, I would like to inform some of our forum members that their is a site known as ( Ship Spotters) on facebook that is easier to access and post material than the English Shipspotters site, and has some local people, some from a less learned gentrey than the overseas group! :)mrdot.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 23, 2012 16:42:30 GMT -8
I joined that 'Lovers of Ocean Liners' Facebook group in the later part of May. My membership was approved by (& I was welcomed to the group by) one Kipfer Fox. I then went back in their posting history and found 'bootleg copies' of virtually all the photos posted by me on 'Shipspotting.com' on behalf of my brother, and a few of my own as well. The chief culprit was Mr. Fox, himself. Not only were photos being lifted from Shipspotting.com, I also found photos that I had posted sometime ago on photobucket.
I posted the following on Mr. Fox's FB group: I received this reply from Mr. Fox:
I am not sure what he meant by "putting Courtesty", because there was never any effort whatsoever to credit sources. I responded with this:
Mr. Fox replied:
I responded again:
I got a response from another member (Jim Penebaker)
After that I stumbled on a photo of the Princess Marguerite (along with her sister the Patricia) of mine 'borrowed' from photobucket. My brother commented on this as follows:
I commented on the same photo:
Mr. Fox's reply:
With that, I was 'banned' from this group by Mr. Fox. Following that I undserstand that my brother continued to comment on 'borrowed' photos being posted on the Facebook group site. For his trouble he too was 'banned'.
Mr. Fox being banned altogether from Facebook is a small measure of justice. I suspect that some people involved with 'shipspotting.com' put some pressure on Facebook on this matter. Photos were being lifted & re-posted from their site left, right & centre.
My comments:
1 - Facebook makes it really easy to post photos and videos of any sort, including ones that are not yours. There are no warnings whatsoever about only posting items for which you are the 'copyright holder'.
2 - It would be much better if Mr. Fox and others made a real effort to credit the source of the photo being posted. Better still, they could just post a hyper-link to the 'original' photo on Shipspotting.com, photobucket, etc.
3 - Members here on the WCFF should understand the ethics and legalities of using other people's photos, videos, artwork, etc.
Forum members may download for their own use only copies of photos that I post. You may not upload these to other websites without permission.
You must always do your level best to research the source of any photo that you post on WCFF or any other website, for that matter.
I invite the thoughts & comments of others.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 23, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -8
I joined that 'Lovers of Ocean Liners' Facebook group in the later part of May. Thanks WCK. The Kipfer Fox quotes that you posted really say it all. Not a lot of intelligence showing up there.... Thanks for your thoughts on ethical use of photos on the net. For me, it's also about professionalism versus shoddy-amateurism. Professionalism for me doesn't mean that my work is perfect; but it means that I care enough to make the effort to try to do things correctly.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 27, 2012 12:31:36 GMT -8
I've joined the ranks of the accepted (and then deleted) members of the FaceBook group: Lovers of the Ocean Liners"
I joined to make a few comments that I wanted to say, and I did.
But I guess that my last comment, about their old posting style being "disrespectful" to photographers wasn't popular.
No worries. I've said my piece.
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mrdot
Voyager
Mr. DOT
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Post by mrdot on Jun 27, 2012 12:42:50 GMT -8
:)I send condolences for your dishonor of having been dumped from the ocean liner group, kind of like being deficated on in an outhouse in the 'greatest place on earth' To a more uplifting site I have found, I direct you to the Ship Spotters on facebook, which was more respectful members, if not of the more learned gentry! mrdot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 13:22:05 GMT -8
Well, it appears Mr. Fox has made a new facebook account and is continuing to poach photos off of other websites.
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mrdot
Voyager
Mr. DOT
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Post by mrdot on Jun 27, 2012 14:08:40 GMT -8
:)I guess this is a case of the fox in the henhouse, facebook style! You know what, even turkey's like this can borrow my work, I guess that is the new reality of the email world! mrdot.
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Post by Mike C on Jun 27, 2012 21:02:03 GMT -8
I joined this Facebook group, to go through the vast expanse of photos and collections they have. I see no possible way that all of the historic photos in the collection were taken by the members, however I had a different experience than most of you - I found the group welcoming with absolutely no sign of Mr. Fox. I did a Facebook search, followed by going through several albums and photos looking for his name, with no prevail.
At the top of the page, there is a disclaimer, indicating that you must have credentials before posting other people's photos. It's pretty clear that this rule is overlooked by posting members. It is especially frustrating when administrators and those of authority choose not to follow their own rules, purely for the sake of having a more 'extensive' collection, and to appear to have the leg-up on other groups/organizations.
It would seem that most of these individuals are respectful and considerate. It appears these are not the same individuals who are posting the photos. I am getting sick and tired of finding our photos without proper citation on sites like The Tyee, and even on eBay where in the past, parts of our photo collections were sold for profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 5:55:36 GMT -8
At the top of the page, there is a disclaimer, indicating that you must have credentials before posting other people's photos. It's pretty clear that this rule is overlooked by posting members. It is especially frustrating when administrators and those of authority choose not to follow their own rules, purely for the sake of having a more 'extensive' collection, and to appear to have the leg-up on other groups/organizations. Only the source of the photo is required:
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