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Post by glasseye on Sept 24, 2010 15:07:19 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 8, 2010 17:59:15 GMT -8
Some views of Snug Cove (Bowen Island) on Oct.1, 2010: - the old Union Steamship wharf is on the right side. The traffic line-up has a few spaces in single-line near the terminal, and then it breaks into 2 lanes once you get past the Cardena Rd. intersection. The plastic shelter has 2 purposes. - It keeps some of the waiting foot passengers out of the rain. - It gives a bit of privacy to some of the high-school kids for when they smoke their pot after disembarking from the 3:30pm sailing each school-day. Really, it does (but it can't really hide the smell....)
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 28, 2011 11:39:24 GMT -8
Yes Luke, the time has come to create some more individual terminal photo threads.
Here's one for Snug Cove.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 19, 2011 16:08:32 GMT -8
Snug Cove on August 16, 2011. Approaching the landing. On the right-side of the point is Deep Bay, where the causeway is. - for the point in the middle of the photo, the road to the houses is "Cardena Rd". nice name, huh? The ferry dock, with the old Union Steamship wharf on the right-side. Waiting to disembark from the Queen of Capilano Loading cars in the afternoon, after the mid-day break. That usually makes for a busy 3:15pm sailing from Bowen.
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Post by Curtis on May 8, 2013 10:58:55 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Aug 23, 2017 20:52:44 GMT -8
Life can be complicated, but lining up for a ferry shouldn't be. You go into a compound and park at the end of whatever lane is being filled, or on many islands, you line up down the road, taking care not to block driveways.
It's a bit more complicated in Snug Cove. Regular street parking is against the curb, and I'm not sure that there is a curb all the way up the road. Ferry lineup parking is the lane to the left. There are many driveways between the terminal and Dorman Road, by the pub, so you have to be aware of the cross-hatching, which, thankfully, is clearly marked. Yesterday, I wanted to wander around the cove with my friend, and we were fortunate to find a parking spot. When we came back, we were hemmed in by ferry lineup parking, and the vehicle owners were somewhere else, so we simply had to wait until they came back prior to the 'Capilano's next departure, which wasn't too long. Still... didn't seem like the best arrangement.
I made a remark about things outside the library, and a resident sitting in the sun launched into an incredibly involved and passionate dissertation on the history of the parking debate, and what she felt were serious liability issues not being addressed by BC Ferries and Bowen municipal council, with tales of near accidents because of the confusion around marshalling and loading. Way more than I wanted to hear, and since I couldn't get a word in edgewise and was roasting in the sun, I made a generic comment about the weirdness of the setup, and escaped to the shade, with her still holding forth as I left. I recalled the contentious posts and threads I'd read over the years on the Bowen forum, which apparently have done little to resolve anything.
When we lined up to leave after dinner, there weren't a lot of cars for the 7:20 sailing, but I looked down the road and saw what looked like the end of the lineup, but then there were two or three cars further back... should I drive down and see if there were spaces not cross-hatched... were these people further up just double parked because things weren't busy for the ferry? I know from forum postings that even island residents sometimes get confused, and others take advantage of things to sneak into a bit of lane that isn't cross-hatched, ahead of someone else who's been more observant of decorum. I played it safe and parked behind the last apparent ferry customer, since even if someone snuck ahead, the 'Cap was nowhere near being full.
The only apparent solution is to slice off a section of Crippen Park abutting what I used to know as Government Road but is now known as Bowen Trunk Road, and make it into a proper marshalling compound. Doesn't look like there's any chance of that happening, though, and the Snug Cove ferry lineup is likely to continue as the oddest ferry controversy in BC for the forseeable future.
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Post by singfie on Jul 12, 2019 16:10:22 GMT -8
Dear all,
I am new to the forum and am actually looking for some information on the terminal capacity at Snug cove. I am doing research on evacuation scenarios for emergencies and am currently trying to find out a couple of things about the terminal on Bowen Island:
1. Are there any capacity measures of the snug cove terminal available publicly? 2. Which of the BC Ferries are technically able to dock at the snug cove terminal? 3. Are there other wharfs outside of Snug Cove that larger vessels could theoretically dock at?
The idea is to simulate/draft an evacuation scenario for emergencies and check whether there is an efficient way to come up with solutions for smaller islands such as Bowen Island.
I see that there is a lot of knowledge here in the forum. If anyone knows more, I would appreciate if you could let me know what information you got, or if you know of good resources to look this up. I already checked the BC Ferries website but did not find it to be too useful for what I am looking for as it only talks about regular operations of the Queen of Capilano. I am considering submitting an information request to BCFerries on this, but wanted to try this forum first and take advantage of local knowledge. All help is appreciated.
Thanks a lot and best regards!
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Post by Neil on Jul 12, 2019 20:48:33 GMT -8
Dear all, I am new to the forum and am actually looking for some information on the terminal capacity at Snug cove. I am doing research on evacuation scenarios for emergencies and am currently trying to find out a couple of things about the terminal on Bowen Island: 1. Are there any capacity measures of the snug cove terminal available publicly? 2. Which of the BC Ferries are technically able to dock at the snug cove terminal? 3. Are there other wharfs outside of Snug Cove that larger vessels could theoretically dock at? The idea is to simulate/draft an evacuation scenario for emergencies and check whether there is an efficient way to come up with solutions for smaller islands such as Bowen Island. I see that there is a lot of knowledge here in the forum. If anyone knows more, I would appreciate if you could let me know what information you got, or if you know of good resources to look this up. I already checked the BC Ferries website but did not find it to be too useful for what I am looking for as it only talks about regular operations of the Queen of Capilano. I am considering submitting an information request to BCFerries on this, but wanted to try this forum first and take advantage of local knowledge. All help is appreciated. Thanks a lot and best regards! I think you have to keep in mind that Bowen Islanders have, for many years, been divided even with regard to a more efficient marshalling procedure for the regular loading of the Queen of Capilano. They can't even always agree about how to line up along the main road and the etiquette for cutting into the line when there appears to be spaces available. There has also been an occasional, ongoing debate about the possibility of relocating the terminal to the south side of Snug Cove. I'd be astonished if there was any clear notion of how to handle a natural disaster, with regard to ferry transportation. But that's probably true of all our ferry dependent communities. The fact is that BC Ferries has rebuilt most terminals, presumably with an eye to withstanding earthquakes and the instability that causes with infrastructure. I think as much as they've been able to consult with communities, they've done so.
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Post by paulvanb on Jun 21, 2021 14:35:44 GMT -8
This was the 2:55 sailing from Snug Cove ladt Wednesday. We still had space left on the gallery decks. We were nowhere near full with passengers, and larger trucks, but we still left cars behind. Because the next sailing was a dangerous goods only. Those left behind would have to wait an extra sailing to leave. Hopefully, someone can explain this.
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Post by paddlehardercafe on Jun 21, 2021 15:41:26 GMT -8
I used route 12, Mill Bay -> Brentwood Bay Sunday afternoon, I was parked 4-5ft shy of the end of the lane on the deck. Left a hand full of cars behind.
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Post by paulvanb on Jun 21, 2021 21:38:48 GMT -8
There were about 4-5 vehicles waiting to load that were left behind. If I was one of these car owners, and knew about this, I would be pissed.
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Post by paulvanb on Feb 12, 2022 9:35:24 GMT -8
I think some serious changes need to happen with this route. Our 4pm sailing was full. The 1:10 lineup was full to the end of holding. With one loading lane in the cove, the on-time performance is woeful at best. There are now townhomes in the Cove, adding to the residential population.
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Post by Neil on Feb 12, 2022 10:17:33 GMT -8
I think some serious changes need to happen with this route. Our 4pm sailing was full. The 1:10 lineup was full to the end of holding. With one loading lane in the cove, the on-time performance is woeful at best. There are now townhomes in the Cove, adding to the residential population. Bowen residents have never been able to agree on a more efficient vehicle marshalling area, but they have no end of complaints about the situation. Of all the routes in the system that would benefit from two Island class boats, route eight might top the list, but it can't be done due to a lack of docking options for the second boat. Maybe once the lineups start stretching halfway to Tunstall Bay someone will come up with a solution.
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Post by paulvanb on Feb 14, 2022 22:41:23 GMT -8
I think some serious changes need to happen with this route. Our 4pm sailing was full. The 1:10 lineup was full to the end of holding. With one loading lane in the cove, the on-time performance is woeful at best. There are now townhomes in the Cove, adding to the residential population. Bowen residents have never been able to agree on a more efficient vehicle marshalling area, but they have no end of complaints about the situation. Of all the routes in the system that would benefit from two Island class boats, route eight might top the list, but it can't be done due to a lack of docking options for the second boat. Maybe once the lineups start stretching halfway to Tunstall Bay someone will come up with a solution. Maybe they should put a dock in Tunstall Bay! You think??? Things there only going to get worse.
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Post by paulvanb on Feb 23, 2022 20:30:58 GMT -8
The 2:55 sailing from Snug Cove this afternoon. I didn't bother to see how many cars were left behind.
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Post by paulvanb on Oct 3, 2022 18:56:01 GMT -8
It appears that the Queen of Cumberland is the relief vessel for the Bowen Island run starting on the 12th. I read the information sheet on my latest trip for work. It sounds like that they will not be deploying the overhead ramps for extra vehicles. Let the grousing begin!
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Post by The Black cat on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:18 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 22, 2023 14:34:40 GMT -8
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