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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 16:35:15 GMT -8
I am the Marketing Director for Coastal Link Ferries, and we are, indeed, for real. I'll put my contact info below, and please do not hesitate to contact me at any time.
We are presently negotiating with the Port of Vancouver for a portion of the Seabus dock, and with entities in Gibsons. We'll share our negotiation information as we progress.
Our vessel is nearing completion and seatrials at Sylte Shipyards in Vancouver.
Just so you know how "real" I consider this, I moved 3000 miles from western New York State to operate the Gibsons Office and the Tourism Efforts for CLF.
Public Meeting in Gibsons - Thursday June 5, 2008 - 7pm Royal Canadian Legion, 747 Gibsons Way Meet our ownership, Management Team and learn more about our efforts.
I look forward to sharing on this forum and learning from you all
Peter Green Marketing/Communications Director Coastal Link Ferries (604) 865-1666 and yes, I return calls!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 16:53:44 GMT -8
A bit more on our operation... Yes, Captain Ihab Shaker operated a Fast-Ferry between Toronto and the southern shore of Lake Ontario (including Lewiston, NY) from 1997-1998. I was his Marketing/Communication Director. His eventual end came when his equipment failed to meet market demand. He was such a "story" in the Canadian media that his boats were never empty. He operated a former Marine Atlantic Ferry - the 316 tonne Marine Courier - that he modified into a 250-passenger ferry. It didn't have the speed but it made for an amazing tourism experience. He purchased two Hydrofoils - 68 passenger Voshkod Class, that had previously been tried on Lake Ontario - for his second year of operation. You can find articles about a Hydrofoil accident (I was on board) when a rogue wave took out the front windshield during a special run across the lake with the Provincial Tourism Minister and his staff on-board. The Hydrofoils proved unworthy for Lake Ontario, and he packed up, closed down and headed to Egypt. He ran a very successful operation on the Nile River for several years, but his wife is from Vancouver and they returned. Ihab sold that business to finance this one. He works as a Ship's Master here on Charter and Seaspan vessels. I wrote an article for the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle on the demise of the fast-ferry they operated, the Spirit of Ontario, from 2002-2004. The City of Rochester eventually took it over from a bankrupt operation but they were never able to make it work. Why? Because people in eastern Canada and the US cannot be pried from their cars, because water travel is foreign to them, but mostly because Rochester did not market itself properly in the Toronto market, and the dock in Toronto was in an abysmal place for tourist traffic, and whole list of other reasons. So here we are, perhaps little David against the BC Ferries Goliath, but in reality we can service routes that are otherwise too small or marginal for BC Ferries. I will be glad to update you as we proceed - there's going to be a villain here, and you folks won't believe who it is. Not the Town of Gibsons - their staff and Council have been awesome. Nicholas Simons, the MLA, has been very supportive through his office. Gibsons Economic Development are great, too. BC Ferries has been silent but I'll be looking for their spies at our public meeting on June 5th. That's at 7pm at the Royal Canadian Legion in Gibsons. Wait til you learn about who the biggest impediment to our progress will be!!!!!!! We may be little, but we play for keeps! Peter Green 604-865-1666 - and it may surprise you, but I return calls!!!!!
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 28, 2008 17:16:07 GMT -8
Hi Peter: welcome to this forum. I'm glad you've joined. I suppose that you have figured out "why" some of us wondered if your operations was a hoax or not, considering the vagueness of the website re some of the items that we were querying. I guess it's fair to say that we probably just saw the website too early in your process? So I'm hoping you weren't offended by our disbelieving attitude, since I'm sure your'e aware that we like to take our analysis of anything "ferry" to a high degree. And so that's why we jumped on your partially-completed webpage with all those "what about this?" type of questions. We saw lots of holes, based on what the website was telling us (such as the lack of any start up date, and the questions re schedules and the type of boat). But what else would you expect from a bunch of rabidly interested transportation fans/critics who only had 1 partially-completed piece of info to chew on..... ;D Anyways, now that we have that cleared up, I hope that you continue to post here, and let us know re the news for your company. Thanks for being a good sport re queries about your company/operation. I wish your company the best of success on our coast.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 18:14:18 GMT -8
Boanerges, and everyone else, of course it made sense! I enjoyed reading through this thread. When I met with economic development officer Hammy McClymont in Gibsons, he showed me some of this discussion group. I appreciate disbelief and doubt, especially when you've been promised so many times that something will be here. Well, 4600 miles later, I'm here living in Gibsons, working on Tourism Links and developing our networking. I love it here, but I have learned a lot as well. I respect the people who are so passionate about ferries, and transportation. A few explanations to the discussions: The Website - yes, it went up too early, but that's ok. Ihab Shaker's financial partner wanted something up and running, but it was definitely ambitious. Our "Tub Toy" logo...well...that wasn't my doing. Definitely we need to change that. Anybody want to try designing a logo? Also, the website is maintained by a gentleman on the east coast of the US - he formerly attended Willingdon Church and lived in Vancouver, hence those references. He does good work, too. I hope people will come to our meeting. June 5th, 7pm, Legion in Gibsons. We want to hear from everyone. After all, the public is our board of Directors (wanna vote us a 40% pay raise? ??). Boy, when I heard that a couple of months ago, I fired up the van and began driving. BC Ferries is a public funded company for God's sake! I get so tired of watching public funds being gobbled from the trough. So fire off questions...ideas...suggestions...dreams...goals...amibtions and fears....... I look forward to sharing with you all - and watch out, I'm candid and open. So is Ihab Shaker. We share it all, we want our market to feel that we are sincere and we share info that you will find quite interesting. Thanks for the welcome!
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Post by Neil on May 28, 2008 18:35:27 GMT -8
There have been so many attempts, half measures, and people who have been ridiculously under capitalized and unrealistic about running shipping operations on this coast that some of us are pretty cynical and skeptical about proposed ventures. Parties ranging from private wannabe admirals right up to Stena Lines have misunderstood the market, lacked the money, or had the wrong vessels, and failed accordingly. And invariably, blamed government, or big bad BC Ferries for their failure.
Having said that, I really hope this venture is different. A passenger ferry to Gibsons is definitely marketable, on the right scale and with the right vessel. The Nanaimo market is also there for someone with the right plan.
Thanks for sharing your information with us, and I'm sure we all wish you success. 240 ferry fans don't guarantee a thriving business, but we tend to spread the word about ferries, so we wouldn't hurt. I'm looking forward to taking a ride.
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Post by ruddernut on May 28, 2008 18:45:58 GMT -8
Wait til you learn about who the biggest impediment to our progress will be!!!!!!! TransLink? Maybe if this proposed project comes to fruition, they'll have some dock space to spare: forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=146079What's more, I wonder if you could get more cooperation from them if you were to have stops at Bowen and/or Ambleside, since they are an agency that's in charge of providing transportation services to the GVRD area.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2008 6:33:38 GMT -8
Translink have been slow, but not uncooperative or adverse. No, there's another "party" out there that seems to want to be a difficulty, but we'll hold that until we confirm that they are, indeed, the "bad guy". Who knows, maybe we are the bad guy?
Having said that, Translink is still re-negotiating it's docking lease with the Port of Vancouver - that's what we're told - so the slow response on their end may be understandable.
Like many of you, the skepticism may be shared by Translink, especially when it comes to entering into partnerships with companies like us. We'd love to help with Bowen and other routes, but that'll come as we develop our service.
I'll keep you posted!!
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Post by Hardy on May 29, 2008 11:27:13 GMT -8
Thanks, Peter, for taking the time to come on over and brief us on your position and the company. I echo what the other forum members have said and wish you the best of luck in the endeavor and look forward to asking you some questions once things are a little more set in concrete and your business is closer to getting underway.
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Post by Guest 101 on May 31, 2008 9:59:44 GMT -8
Peter,
Can you provide us with any pictures of the vessel you are having built?
What is the design based on and from where?
Where are you looking for your crew from, and have you spoken to TC (Transport Canada) on manning levels?
I trust your backer does know how hard it will be - and does he or she have the fight and deep pockets, which are required to go with this venture?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2008 6:57:39 GMT -8
Hey everyone, I'll get photos up here asap!
By the way, the Gibsons Landing Harbour Authority met with us yesterday. They are very supportive - and understandably careful. It seems that every time they get a ferry proposal people expect them to clear a slip, and then the proposals seem to disappear. They are very assistive, cautious and they share the Region's enthusiasm for what this type of service can bring.
We are, indeed, looking for Crew - you can send your resume to the link on the site - jobs@coastallinkferries.com - and we will be hiring for Customer Service, etc, but that will be in a month or two. Pretty bare-bones staff for now.
Thanks everyone - so glad the Forum is up, I was missing all of you!
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Post by V Grimes on Jun 7, 2008 13:34:34 GMT -8
Question: Whose money? And weren't they behind the sale of that bridge? in Brooklyn? What about the price of gas? Record. v.
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Post by V Grimes on Jun 8, 2008 10:21:36 GMT -8
Perhaps the explanation for the company logo is that Ihab Shaker, ihabshaker.com , the illustrator (?!) drew it. It's whimsical, good as artists go, and famous too, compared to the Captain Ihab (are we sure it's not Captain Ahab?) This guy Ihab doesn't google-up for info at all, as an entrepreneur, except for our instances, and the Egyptian motorcycle film poster. Hm, and the east coast webmaster, he's good, but we have a glut of webmeisters on the Coast, invest locally and maybe the site will feel more legit. v. *** ""
*** We feel that you are sincere, though we don't know that you are sincere. So, hey, and who was the evil one at that meeting? foreshadow, paranoia and suspense as a marketing tool. The meeting, who went and how was it? v.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 8, 2008 12:37:12 GMT -8
Would I be incorrect in issuing a possible "troll" alert at this point?
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Post by tempest on Jun 8, 2008 19:46:03 GMT -8
To v,
I did google Capt. Shaker. Not only did he, but Peter Green, and Shaker Cruise Lines came up including decisions by the Canadian Transportation Agency. Look a little harder.
This little project as it stands right now is a single vessel with a daily capacity, based on the current schedule of only 150 pax. You don't need to be a Rockefeller or Pattison to make this project fly. Now, his ambitions for Nanaimo will be considerably more daunting financially.
With respect to your comment about the 'evil one', having been in their position before, five bucks says there is some sort of government agency making life difficult. In this type of operation, there are a multitude of government roadblocks both real and percieved, or at least not provable.
I'm sure time will tell all....
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Post by tempest on Jun 8, 2008 19:47:27 GMT -8
Just a note: 150 round trip pax.
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 8, 2008 19:55:30 GMT -8
i just checked out the website for the first time and this looks like it could work. mid day charters and tours could help offset the cost of the vessel and help pay wages for the crews. instead of having the boat sitting in vancouver it is making money for the company
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 8:42:16 GMT -8
Ok, some clarification on recent polls...Ihab Shaker is a common name in Egypt (just as John Smith might be here). There is an artist by that name with a web presence, and no, he did not design the logo. The logo is an interim design. BTW, Peter Green (my name) is also somewhat common, with none more prominent than the founder of Fleetwood Mac. No, the artist by the same name didn't design the logo. Wanna help? Email me your opinion on the logo - I think it's terrible and was a spacefiller. Our ownership want to to know what you think. Send it to peter@coastallinkferries.com Good or bad, fire away!And speculating on "Captain Ahab?". Want to laugh? The very first time I met Ihab, his first mate on the cruise ship in Toronto harbour was named "Wael" (pronounced Whale). No kidding. I don't know if we sense a "troll" here but I don't worry much about it.Ok, the numbers - some are estimating about 150 round-trip per day, based on two departures Gibsons to Vancouver. This could happen, give or take some numbers...But my presence here, and our focus, is on generating day-trips from the downtown Hotels and from Tourists to Vancouver, from Spousal/Companion programs at Conferences, and a wide range of underserviced opportunities that exist here. I've been working on this since last year. So you can increase the numbers so that when a trip departs Gibsons in the Morning with passengers, it returns with "fresh" passengers who are coming to spend the day on the Sunshine Coast. Hence the downtown-to-downtown link is so important.In many ways, this tourism "link" was missing from previous attempts, at least in a serious way. This fills the seats that would otherwise be empty. Watch us!Also, the "evil villain". Not yet, there hasn't been a demon with horns rising above us and laughing in scorn, but we are aware that various levels of Bureaucracy can cause difficulties. Funny how the new Translink Director is also a BC Ferries Commissioner??? I'll keep you all posted on developments.Among the "good guys" who have encouraged us, the Gibsons Landing Harbour Authority have been positive to work with. I view them as something of a "partner" - they have offered to give us reasonable rates - fair to all involved - to get off the ground, and they'll share in success as it happens. They've been good to work with, firm but fair.Now, remember friends, just because the Town or the Harbour Authority or any organization is perceived as encouraging and supportive doesn't mean that they necessarily endorse us. We have to prove ourselves. We're going to, and I trust that relationships with various groups will only get better as we prove ourselves and they prove themselves as well.And finally, Nanaimo....tough nut to crack there. Someone at our Public Meeting asked if we considered a Nanaimo run during the service break in the afternoon. The Coastal Runner (the name of our inaugural vessel) is not designed for the wonderful rollercoaster that is the Strait of Georgia. Not when she's angry. We'll be looking into different equipment for that and 2010 is a good bet, maybe next year, but we'll see.Keep in touch!!!!!!
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Post by Balfour on Jun 9, 2008 9:34:00 GMT -8
Sounds like you guys have a good business plan in place. I remember reading something about tours around the harbour and even up Indian Arm (which is a beautiful passage).
Good luck to you!
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Post by Hardy on Jun 9, 2008 9:42:38 GMT -8
Quick clarification to Mr. Green - "troll" alert was not directed to you, rather moreso to keep this forum from being steered into a muck-hurling contest. Thanks for taking the direct path to the woodshed on you mission of "de-bunk-ery" (don't read debauchery into it!).
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Post by Hardy on Jun 9, 2008 12:03:31 GMT -8
www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_central/nanaimonewsbulletin/news/19549954.htmlThe above goes on to say: Foot ferry eyed for relaunch By Jenn Marshall - Nanaimo News Bulletin - June 04, 2008 Another Nanaimo to Vancouver passenger ferry could be running by next year. Ihab Shaker, owner of Coastal Link Ferries, is establishing a passenger ferry between Gibsons and Vancouver. Once it’s running later this month, he expects to set his sights on Nanaimo. “That’s where the real money is,” said Shaker. “I’m hoping that it will be some time in ’09, at the most 2010.” He said he’s launching the Gibsons service first because it requires a small boat, little capital investment and serves a guaranteed market of regular Vancouver commuters. Shaker, who previously founded ferry operations on Lake Ontario and the Red Sea, said once he is known on the West Coast through his Gibsons run, he will start looking for investors for the Nanaimo service. “I have a plan for Nanaimo, but it’s not written in stone yet,” he said, adding the secret to establishing a successful Nanaimo-Vancouver service is the right boat. Last spring, Island SeaLink was scheduled to resume ferry service left floating after Harbour Link Corp. went bankrupt in 2006. But Island SeaLink owner Ed Life ran into unexpected high operating costs and later sold his vessel. Shaker said Life had the right idea, but some of the technicalities were wrong. He said a fuel-efficient boat with minimal crew requirements is needed to make the service viable. Shaker said he has a boat in mind, but wouldn’t comment further until he has a business plan finalized. “There are a lot of things to be considered,” he said. Marilyn Hutchinson, city economic development officer, said a harbour-to-harbour ferry service complements activities such as the newly built Port of Nanaimo Centre. She said more than two years ago, between 600 and 700 people commuted from central Vancouver Island to Vancouver daily and with an increased population, that number has also probably increased. Bill Mills, president of Nanaimo Port Authority, said while Shaker has not approached him, the port is interested in resuming the service. “The potential is there,” said Mills. “There’s a desire to see that service as an alternative. I think probably to sustain a service, you have to build up to between 250,000 to 300,000 passengers a year.”
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Post by Hardy on Jun 9, 2008 12:08:30 GMT -8
www.soundernews.com/fullstory/EkEkukkuplcwysIiBU.shtmlThis link goes on to say: Some good ferry news may be on the horizon By Bruce Mason, Gabriola Sounder Monday, June 2 2008 It is several years away, but there is some potentially exciting news to share with our readers who still miss HarbourLynx and wonder if foot passenger service will ever return from Nanaimo to Vancouver. There are reports of a new company which is investigating the possibility of re-establishing the popular service, led by Capt. Ihab Shaker, who operated high speed service on Lake Ontario between Toronto and St. Catherines a decade ago. He is initiating a service between Gibsons and Vancouver this year. “Nanaimo is where the real money is,” he is quoted as saying. Apparently Shaker is well aware of previous attempts and worked with Ed Life who tried to establish the Sealink service after HarbourLynx failed several years ago. “These were good attempts but they were doing it the wrong way,” said Shaker, who claims that the problem to be solved is finding the size and type of vessel which can travel at the optimum speed, but be big enough to handle a large volume of passengers and adverse weather conditions. He says he has the right vessel with the ideal design but wouldn’t elaborate. And he adds that his previous experience, including building a vessel on time and budget for the Gibsons-Vancouver run indicates that he also has the expertise. He financed that project himself with cash and his primary goal is keep his vessels filled with passengers. Shaker has had no discussion with BC Ferries under its Alternative Service Delivery Plans and intends to keep this a privately funded and run enterprise. It is estimated that the Nanaimo-Vancouver run would be more costly to start that the Gibsons-Vancouver service. Shaker has been warned that BC Ferries would consider the venture to be competition, but he envisions a $24 ticket price and said he wanted to “under-promise and over-deliver.” Other key components to success of the service would be a large promotional budget to quickly build a customer base that would need to be double that of HarbourLynx and also establishing good relationships with the ports and governments. HarbourLynx inaugurated its catamaran service on October 9th, 2003, and Island residents and their visitors quickly grew to like and support the service, which was a welcome foot passenger compromise between a long ferry trip to inconvenient locations and a more costly flight by seaplane. Many Gabriolans reported how much they enjoyed the convenience and comfort of the voyage, the friendly crew, the short walk from the Gabriola-Nanaimo terminal and the arrival in downtown Vancouver at the SeaBus and SkyTrain terminals. There is widespread agreement on the high demand for the service. When the HarbourLynx failed Don McCollum service told the Sounder: “Consumer support isn’t the issue; our ridership was consistently increasing.” The co-owner of Village Foods was a founding member, and one-time chair, of the board of directors of the private Nanaimo-based company, Harbour Links Corp and he predicted that other investors would eventually step in. It would certainly be good news for people who purchased real estate in Nanaimo, based on being able to commute to Vancouver affordably in a more reasonable time frame. Fuel prices are skyrocketing, of course, but so are the numbers of people who want to use their vehicles as seldom as possible. The trade and convention centre being constructed in Nanaimo is a factor as well as rents and housing prices in Vancouver that continue to exceed the reach of many. They would welcome a 90-minute commute on a foot passenger ferry from an area where they can afford a home, compared to an equal or longer commute from the suburbs. Although short term, the Vancouver Olympics are also just two years away and many Gabriola residents and visitors will be cheering Capt. Shaker and his crew on as they go for gold.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 9, 2008 12:11:46 GMT -8
www.canada.com/harbourcitystar/news/story.html?id=0832b153-6c29-4a90-9ec2-1fdb83d5cfffThis story goes on to say: Company eyes foot ferry Hopes to operate in about two years Paul Walton, The Star Published: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 A new company is looking to start another downtown passenger-only ferry service between Nanaimo and Vancouver. Capt. Ihab Shaker, who ran a high-speed service on Lake Ontario between Toronto and St. Catherines about 10 years ago, and is initiating a service between Gibsons and Vancouver this year, said he wants to start the Nanaimo-Vancouver run in about two years. "Nanaimo is where the real money is," said Shaker. He has worked with Ed Life, who tried to establish the Sealink service after the HarbourLynx service failed. "I'm very well aware of all the past experiments," said Shaker. He said that the HarbourLynx and Sealink were good operations, but missing details he thinks were essential for success. Shaker knows the real problem lies in finding the size and type of vessel with the right speed that can be big enough to handle a large volume of passengers and adverse weather. But Shaker won't say what type of vessel he has in mind. He said his experience with the Gibsons to Vancouver run, building a vessel on time on budget, indicates he can also deliver for a route between Nanaimo and Vancouver. Shaker said he has had no discussions with B.C. Ferries under its Alternative Service Delivery plans. "This is a private venture, and it's going to stay private," he said. Bill McKay, one of the principals in the HarbourLynx venture, said B.C. Ferries will be one of the biggest challenges should Shaker get his operation going. "They consider you to be competition and they do what they can to thwart you," said McKay. Shaker said being economical is the best way for the service to remain feasible, and said he plans a $24 one-way ticket.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 9, 2008 12:14:23 GMT -8
And going back further in my google search, to 1998, this article: www.boatnerd.com/news/archive/2-98.htmAgency rules on foreign-flagged vessels 02/20: Two applications were made to the Canadian Transportation Agency last fall for operators seeking a Coasting License in order to operate foreign-flagged vessels between Canadian Ports on Lake Ontario. In decisions handed down during the past week, the Agency ruled against permitting the foreign-flagged ships to operate in direct competition with Canadian-flagged vessels operated by Shaker Cruise Lines of Toronto. Hydrofoil Jet Lake Cruises proposed using the Katran IV, a Panamanian-flagged Hydrofoil, to link the Niagara Region with Toronto. Waterways Transportation Services proposed using a Maltese-flagged Catamaran between Jordan Harbour and Toronto. Both companies would be competing against Shaker in a market which was reopened to water travel by Captain Ihab Shaker and his 275-passenger m/v Lakerunner (formerly Marine Courier of the Marine Atlantic fleet). Shaker operated his vessel between Port Dalhousie (St. Catharines) and Toronto, and was the focus of a great deal of media attention for the success of his business in it's first year. Shaker Cruise Lines was the lead story on CBC Venture, and was seen most recently in Profit Magazine. The Agency ruled that since there is a Canadian-flagged vessel already operating in the market, there was sufficient basis for denial of the applications. Copies of the decision are available on the CTA Website. Captain Shaker is quoted as saying "I do not deny that competition would be healthy for developing the market, but I believe that it is in the best interest of the cross-lake Ferry service on Lake Ontario that operators make a committment to the Industry and flag their vessels Canadian". Captain Shaker, a Deep-sea Master, previously operated a Ferry Service on the Red Sea. Shaker is expanding his fleet and services for the coming season and will commence operations again in April of this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 12:29:49 GMT -8
Hi Hardy, Sorry about the confusion on the Troll issue. I like to keep an open door for people to ask anything, and address anything. I understand, now that you explained it, how it applied to that poster (v). Lots to share on those Hydrofoils.....the ones we ran on Lake Ontario. I need to find you those TSB links - I was on one in August, 1998 when we were transporting the Ontario Minister of Tourism and 2 members of his staff, the crew and 3 others from Shaker Cruise Lines being the only other passengers. I was among them. We encountered an unexpected wave pattern and a 7' wave crashed in the portside forward window. We nearly sank, and became the #2 story in Canada that day. We required Coast Guard assistance and eventually made it to port....the Minister of Tourism praised our crew and the story was much sunnier than it should have been. The irony is that the cost of replacing the Minister and his staff's clothes (ruined by running orange dye from Russian lifevests) was greater than repairs to the ship. Oh, and the number one story that day? Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinski. It figures, my chance to be number one is sunk by a stain on a dress and a cigar. And Ihab Shaker has been talking about Nanaimo, but as I said, that's going to require much different equipment. I asked him the other day when I'll be moving to Nanaimo. Take care
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 9, 2008 12:45:31 GMT -8
coastallink, Please check your PM Box. (look under the forum flagship photo at the top of this page) Thanks.
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