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Post by rwbsparks on Nov 23, 2015 21:42:22 GMT -8
If boat 4 is built to SOLAS standards (something I fully expect), would Samish be moved to Bremerton or Whidbey Island or would they keep it up north to put another super onto standby? If it stays north, the islands would see a summer vessel set of Chelan, Yakima, Samish, Oly #4 and Klahowya, assuming that Elwha is put on standby rather than Yakima. Also when will the state be accepting name proposals?
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 24, 2015 5:29:10 GMT -8
If boat 4 is built to SOLAS standards (something I fully expect), would Samish be moved to Bremerton or Whidbey Island or would they keep it up north to put another super onto standby? If it stays north, the islands would see a summer vessel set of Chelan, Yakima, Samish, Oly #4 and Klahowya, assuming that Elwha is put on standby rather than Yakima. Also when will the state be accepting name proposals? Is there a particular reason you expect the 4th Oly to be SOLAS compliant? Do you have information that supports this statement? I'm just curious, because I have heard it stated on one of the threads here that the modifications to make the new ferry SOLAS compliant is a pretty major change order, and that is not likely to happen with this flight of the new-build program. That said, I, too, would like to see the 4th Oly be SOLAS compliant to replace Elwha at Sidney in the Fall and Spring, and bump Elwha into reserve status. I would still be inclined to leave Chelan on the route in the summers, and utilize the 4th Oly in the San Juans where capacity is most needed, but I am getting ahead of things here.
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Post by rwbsparks on Nov 24, 2015 8:07:14 GMT -8
I was under the impression that they would due to Elwha's deteriorating condition that seems to be more accelerated than the other three supers, also in the announcement they said they would retire one super. But that's just my and others speculation and not representative of WSF
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 24, 2015 8:38:46 GMT -8
I was under the impression that they would due to Elwha's deteriorating condition that seems to be more accelerated than the other three supers, also in the announcement they said they would retire one super. But that's just my and others speculation and not representative of WSF What announcement are you referring to? I'm not doubting you per-se, but this is the first I have heard of WSF retiring a Super, and also that Elwha is deteriorating faster than the other Supers. I am simply wondering what your source was for this information.
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Post by rwbsparks on Nov 24, 2015 10:12:04 GMT -8
Got that info from evergreenfleet.com, the page for Olympic #4. I did not check WSF to see if there was an official announcement about that being the case.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 24, 2015 10:20:12 GMT -8
Got that info from evergreenfleet.com, the page for Olympic #4. I did not check WSF to see if there was an official announcement about that being the case. EvegreenFleet's page says nothing more than the 4th Olympic will be replacing one of the ailing Supers. It doesn't say anything about a Super being retired at that time, nor does it say that it would necessarily be Elwha, or that Elwha is deteriorating faster than the other Supers. That's why I was wondering where you got your information from. link to EGFleet's page on the 4th OC: www.evergreenfleet.com/OLYMPIC4.htmlRight now, it's a guessing game as to what will happen with the Supers. To my knowledge, WSF doesn't have anything on their site about the condition of the those vessels. Yes, we know that class, in general, is ailing - that evidence is clear in just looking at the maintenance schedule, and how many times a Super has been pulled from active duty because of various mechanical issues, like the drive motors, for example. EvergreenFleet states that Hyak could be the first Super put into reserve status, but that, too, is speculation at this point - educated speculation, but still speculation. www.evergreenfleet.com/hyaktoday.html
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Post by rwbsparks on Nov 24, 2015 11:04:26 GMT -8
I was just thinking of the 1990 storm when I said that. You're right, it does not specify which boat. We'll just have to wait and see what happens when the boat arrives.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 26, 2015 16:02:01 GMT -8
I was just thinking of the 1990 storm when I said that. You're right, it does not specify which boat. We'll just have to wait and see what happens when the boat arrives. But a sizable chunk of the Elwha is only 25 years old! Seriously, though, as stated elsewhere in this thread and others, the fourth Olympic is not likely to be SOLAS-compliant. The differences are enough that it would call for a major redesign, and thus meriting a new bid. The most likely scenario is that a Super will not be outright retired so much as designated a relief boat.
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Post by rwbsparks on Nov 27, 2015 23:28:13 GMT -8
Thankyou for clearing that up for me.
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Post by chokai on Dec 22, 2015 9:37:31 GMT -8
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 22, 2015 16:37:49 GMT -8
I'd really hoped that the name proposal of "Sammamish" had died quietly. That will be an operational nightmare on Vessel Traffic.
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Post by sounder on Dec 22, 2015 18:07:24 GMT -8
I'd really hoped that the name proposal of "Sammamish" had died quietly. That will be an operational nightmare on Vessel Traffic. Sammamish Samish Salish Sealth A nightmare or clever tounge twister. I agree that the Sammamish should not be considered.
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Post by KE7JFF on Jan 2, 2016 7:54:23 GMT -8
If boat 4 is built to SOLAS standards (something I fully expect), would Samish be moved to Bremerton or Whidbey Island or would they keep it up north to put another super onto standby? If it stays north, the islands would see a summer vessel set of Chelan, Yakima, Samish, Oly #4 and Klahowya, assuming that Elwha is put on standby rather than Yakima. Also when will the state be accepting name proposals? Is there a particular reason you expect the 4th Oly to be SOLAS compliant? Do you have information that supports this statement? I'm just curious, because I have heard it stated on one of the threads here that the modifications to make the new ferry SOLAS compliant is a pretty major change order, and that is not likely to happen with this flight of the new-build program. That said, I, too, would like to see the 4th Oly be SOLAS compliant to replace Elwha at Sidney in the Fall and Spring, and bump Elwha into reserve status. I would still be inclined to leave Chelan on the route in the summers, and utilize the 4th Oly in the San Juans where capacity is most needed, but I am getting ahead of things here. I think there might be some confusion here; from my understanding what makes a vessel SOLAS complaint is two things; one it has the required equipment and materials, two it has the certificate. Most new ferry vessels even for domestic operation comply with at least most if not all SOLAS requirements at with fire suppression, structural/materials design, rescue/escape systems. These components are standard items now; a matter of fact, I see even a few press mentions the MV Tokitae has the larger SOLAS complaint slide system. Older vessels like the Elhwa and Chelan, which of course had to be retrofitted, this is a whole different animal because you can't just slap in the right components and ask the USCG for the certificate; best way to explain it is that there is a list of repairs and upgrades that gets recommended after inspection by the USCG or a 3rd party. One of them off the top of my head is huge restrictions on flammable material. Regardless of what is done when and how, the ships have to inspected regaurlay by their flag nation; I think USCG does it once a year for WSF...
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 2, 2016 14:31:47 GMT -8
Is there a particular reason you expect the 4th Oly to be SOLAS compliant? Do you have information that supports this statement? I'm just curious, because I have heard it stated on one of the threads here that the modifications to make the new ferry SOLAS compliant is a pretty major change order, and that is not likely to happen with this flight of the new-build program. That said, I, too, would like to see the 4th Oly be SOLAS compliant to replace Elwha at Sidney in the Fall and Spring, and bump Elwha into reserve status. I would still be inclined to leave Chelan on the route in the summers, and utilize the 4th Oly in the San Juans where capacity is most needed, but I am getting ahead of things here. I think there might be some confusion here; from my understanding what makes a vessel SOLAS complaint is two things; one it has the required equipment and materials, two it has the certificate. Most new ferry vessels even for domestic operation comply with at least most if not all SOLAS requirements at with fire suppression, structural/materials design, rescue/escape systems. These components are standard items now; a matter of fact, I see even a few press mentions the MV Tokitae has the larger SOLAS complaint slide system. Older vessels like the Elhwa and Chelan, which of course had to be retrofitted, this is a whole different animal because you can't just slap in the right components and ask the USCG for the certificate; best way to explain it is that there is a list of repairs and upgrades that gets recommended after inspection by the USCG or a 3rd party. One of them off the top of my head is huge restrictions on flammable material. Regardless of what is done when and how, the ships have to inspected regaurlay by their flag nation; I think USCG does it once a year for WSF... There's a bit more to it than that, from my understanding. Built to a specific construction standard to meet SOLAS regulations is one thing; there is a considerable amount of additional equipment that is required beyond the actual steel-work. It's all safety-related, of course, but there's stuff that is not required on the domestic side that would be on the international side. Lots of it. The fourth Olympic will not be SOLAS. Period. The fifth is a good candidate, though, if WSF can convince the Legislature that another four-pack is needed. And we're better off doing it now rather than later... the cost is only going to go up, and they won't require any substantial redesigns if they're built NOW (well, okay, the SOLAS shuffle, but you get the drift.)
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Post by crashlament on Jan 7, 2016 8:42:55 GMT -8
Anyone know when Chimacum will enter service?
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 7, 2016 8:53:50 GMT -8
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 12, 2016 14:34:00 GMT -8
The results of the unofficial new ferry naming poll:
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 12, 2016 14:40:20 GMT -8
The results of the unofficial new ferry naming poll: Does this mean that now WSF's will have 3 vessels similarly named? - Salish - Samish - Sammamish Need a Toquish... Still better than the "marketing names" in use in BC, though.
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Post by rickycourtney on Jan 12, 2016 16:29:37 GMT -8
Does this mean that now WSF's will have 3 vessels similarly named? - Salish - Samish - Sammamish Need a Toquish... Still better than the "marketing names" in use in BC, though. If they decide to ever order another 64-car ferry they can name it "Slantish."
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 13, 2016 5:48:12 GMT -8
The results of the unofficial new ferry naming poll: Does this mean that now WSF's will have 3 vessels similarly named? - Salish - Samish - Sammamish Need a Toquish... Still better than the "marketing names" in use in BC, though. I want to know what happened with the name Hoquiam. That was one of the nominations for the first ferry, and it may have even been in the running for the 3rd one, too, but they dropped it from contention for this vessel. Hoquiam would be a great name for a ferry.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 17, 2016 5:18:32 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 17, 2016 9:31:07 GMT -8
ewwwwwww.
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Post by Mike on Jan 17, 2016 9:45:12 GMT -8
"BC Ferries has stated that the ferry has been designed and built to safely operate in the Bayes Sound environment, which is a relatively low marine traffic area, and was tested in some of the worst weather conditions." Excuse me while I laugh.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 17, 2016 14:44:18 GMT -8
BSC aside, I think it's cool that Washington State has 3 ferries that made the list. It's also nice to see the new Fogo Island ferry,MV Veteran, on the list. That looks like a nice vessel - still makes me wonder if a vessel based on that design would be a good template for a future Northern Discovery.
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Jan 23, 2016 19:40:45 GMT -8
Taken from the Washington State Ferries Weekly Update: The three possible names of the 4th Olympic Class Vessel: - Cowlitz
- Sammamish (lets hope not!)
- Suquamish
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