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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 17:10:08 GMT -8
Just don't name them Edward and/or Bella! Why are they bad names? I agree with u!
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Post by Curtis on Sept 20, 2012 0:38:06 GMT -8
Just don't name them Edward and/or Bella! So one would Sparkle in the Sunlight and the other would be an Emotionless Vessel... and because of this they only Sail at 'Twilight' (I just threw up in my mouth a bit for making that reference) Realistically though. Bella or More Appropriately, Bella Bella or Bella Coola would be a Suitable Name for the Mid-Coast Connector Ferry. (If they were going to build one to replace the Nimpkish that is)
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 5, 2012 4:57:24 GMT -8
Well, here are our choices: (I've put them in bold.)
October 5, 2012 Whale of a name and Ivar considered for new ferries Doug Esser Associated Press
SEATTLE – The names of colorful seafood chain founder Ivar Haglund and the orca Tokitae are among the seven possibilities under consideration for two new Washington state ferries, a state agency said Thursday.
The five other candidates – Cowlitz, Hoquiam, Muckleshoot, Samish and Sammamish – follow the more traditional route of tribal names and words carried by most of the 23 ferries already in service on Puget Sound.
Transportation Commission members will discuss the names at an Oct. 16 meeting in Olympia and likely make a decision at a Nov. 13 meeting in Tacoma.
The public was invited to suggest names for the two new Olympic Class ferries under construction. The names needed widespread public support along with petitions or endorsements from groups or officials.
The commission guidelines said the names should carry statewide significance, represent the state image and culture, and be consistent with the existing fleet.
“Names with commercial overtones or names honoring or commemorating individuals should be avoided but will be considered upon careful review,” the commission said on its website.
The name Ivar Haglund was promoted by Seattle Times columnist Ron Judd and backed by a petition at Bartell Drugs stores.
Haglund was a Seattle character and folk singer who opened the city’s first aquarium at Pier 54 in 1938 along with a fish-and-chips stand, according to HistoryLink.org. He was a radio personality known for publicity stunts. He died in 1985.
Tokitae is the name of an orca captured in 1970 at Whidbey Island’s Penn Cove and better known as Lolita at the Miami Seaquarium. The name was suggested by the Center for Whale Research, which says it is a coastal Salish greeting meaning “nice day, pretty colors.”
The city of Hoquiam made a pitch for a ferry name and passed a resolution noting the name is a Lower Chehalis Tribal word meaning “hungry for wood.”
The other names on the list also have tribal ties.
**** The bit in the italics is why I don't think we're going to have an Ivar Haglund. There was an almighty dust-up over the Chetzemoka (remember the tribe on the other side of the water wanted Sqi Qui (sp?)for their chief for the name of Tubtoy #2)and in one of the stories one of the state legislators came right out and said, "No more boats named after people."
My guess is we're going to have a Hoquiam and Samish.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 5, 2012 6:09:50 GMT -8
Well, here are our choices: (I've put them in bold.) October 5, 2012 Whale of a name and Ivar considered for new ferriesDoug Esser Associated Press SEATTLE – The names of colorful seafood chain founder Ivar Haglund and the orca Tokitae are among the seven possibilities under consideration for two new Washington state ferries, a state agency said Thursday. The five other candidates – Cowlitz, Hoquiam, Muckleshoot, Samish and Sammamish – follow the more traditional route of tribal names and words carried by most of the 23 ferries already in service on Puget Sound. Transportation Commission members will discuss the names at an Oct. 16 meeting in Olympia and likely make a decision at a Nov. 13 meeting in Tacoma. The public was invited to suggest names for the two new Olympic Class ferries under construction. The names needed widespread public support along with petitions or endorsements from groups or officials. The commission guidelines said the names should carry statewide significance, represent the state image and culture, and be consistent with the existing fleet. “Names with commercial overtones or names honoring or commemorating individuals should be avoided but will be considered upon careful review,” the commission said on its website.The name Ivar Haglund was promoted by Seattle Times columnist Ron Judd and backed by a petition at Bartell Drugs stores. Haglund was a Seattle character and folk singer who opened the city’s first aquarium at Pier 54 in 1938 along with a fish-and-chips stand, according to HistoryLink.org. He was a radio personality known for publicity stunts. He died in 1985. Tokitae is the name of an orca captured in 1970 at Whidbey Island’s Penn Cove and better known as Lolita at the Miami Seaquarium. The name was suggested by the Center for Whale Research, which says it is a coastal Salish greeting meaning “nice day, pretty colors.” The city of Hoquiam made a pitch for a ferry name and passed a resolution noting the name is a Lower Chehalis Tribal word meaning “hungry for wood.” The other names on the list also have tribal ties. **** The bit in the italics is why I don't think we're going to have an Ivar Haglund. There was an almighty dust-up over the Chetzemoka (remember the tribe on the other side of the water wanted Sqi Qui (sp?)for their chief for the name of Tubtoy #2)and in one of the stories one of the state legislators came right out and said, "No more boats named after people." My guess is we're going to have a Hoquiam and Samish. I gotta agree with you, Hoquiam and Samish sound like the winning names. I can nearly guarantee you that we won't have both Samish and Sammamish, they're too similar. Muckleshoot reminds me of casinos and clam chowder... I don't like that name. Sammamish on it's own is just too confusing, and Cowlitz for some reason reminds me of a name of a something related to the World Wars.
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Post by trillium on Oct 5, 2012 6:50:53 GMT -8
Just so somebody says it, Samish is quite close to Salish, so that may not be a shoo-in.
Tokitae, Cowlitz, and Sammamish may have a chance.
Lance Gleich, Toronto ON
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Oct 6, 2012 13:26:08 GMT -8
I personally would've gone with Skokomish, as it is the largest river flowing off the Olympic Peninsula.
Naming any ferry Ivar would break a long-standing tradition that I am sure wouldn't sit well with traditionalists and historians.
Next round of naming suggestions I am going to resubmit my suggestion for it. I think it's only appropriate.
As for when I hear the word "Cowlitz", I am immediately reminded of the Cowlitz tribe and the historical significance they play into the history of Mount St. Helens (a subject I've been writing a book on for years).
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Post by trillium on Oct 6, 2012 19:09:56 GMT -8
And besides the other arguments given, Ivar Haglund would be a more appropriate name for a submarine, not a ferry.
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Post by FNS on Oct 7, 2012 20:01:06 GMT -8
Just so somebody says it, Samish is quite close to Salish, so that may not be a shoo-in. Tokitae, Cowlitz, and Sammamish may have a chance. Lance Gleich, Toronto ON And, I don't think Dunlap Towing Company wants a ferry named MV SAMISH. They have a tug named SAMISH and her last position was stopped in La Conner WA. www.dunlaptowing.com/New%20Site%202010/PSTugsMain.htmAlso, if one is named MV IVAR HAGLUND, then you'll have to name the other one MV JP PATCHES for the late great fellow we grew up watching each day on Channel Seven here in the Puget Sound region. KEEP CLAM, PATCHES PALS!
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Post by Neil on Oct 7, 2012 21:02:10 GMT -8
Also, if one is named MV IVAR HAGLUND, then you'll have to name the other one MV JP PATCHES for the late great fellow we grew up watching each day on Channel Seven here in the Puget Sound region. KEEP CLAM, PATCHES PALS!Good grief... at that rate, the Walla Walla could be followed by the Wunda Wunda. Clam impresarios, maybe, but clowns ... definitely a thumbs down.
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Post by tom98250 on Oct 8, 2012 6:04:04 GMT -8
I'd be willing to vote for "Stan Boreson." ;D
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Post by BreannaF on Oct 10, 2012 19:23:42 GMT -8
I have always thought that it is a nice idea to continue using the local Native American names for the ferries. It adds a nice touch to things. There is a certain consistency there, and a nice nod to local history that I do support.
On the other hand, I do sometimes wish that we could be a bit whimsical at least once, just long enough to name a ferry after Ivar Haglund. Yeah, I know that it misses the mark as not native, named after an individual, and it wouldn't take much of a stretch to call it commercial. But his antics and contribution to Seattle and Puget Sound popular culture over nearly five decades would certainly warrant at least a nod and perhaps his name on a ferry. There are a lot of people who would appreciate that.
Alas, I don't think it's going to happen, and I really wouldn't want to see a precedent started where we were naming ferries after politicians and bureaucrats, like we do bridges.
And while we Patches Pals would think that naming a ferry after the clown would be keen; Ivar's legacy does have more to with maritime culture, life, and work around the Puget Sound area than anyone else who might be suggested.
It just seems right that we might make this one exception to the race to name a ferry after each of the tribes native to Washington State. But in all things political, there is no such thing as a one time exception.
One other point is that the name Muckleshoot has become more of a brand name for casinos, entertainment venues, and other businesses widely advertised throughout the state. While it is also the name of the tribe, the brand name is really what sticks in my mind first.
Given that, Cowlitz, Hoquiam, and Sammamish all sound good to me. And Samish, if there isn't a conflict. Unless they want to go out and name one after Ivar.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 20:13:41 GMT -8
Is WSF going to build three or just two of Olympic Class between 2013 to 2016? If three of the Olympic Class are build will all three Evergreen State Class be retired or, one mostly like, the Tillikum, as it's passages capacity is 1092, will not be retire and be put on Standby to retire the Hiyu?
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Post by SolDuc on Oct 18, 2012 20:32:03 GMT -8
Is WSF going to build three or just two of Olympic Class between 2013 to 2016? If three of the Olympic Class are build will all three Evergreen State Class be retired or, one mostly like, the Tillikum, as it's passages capacity is 1092, will not be retire and be put on Standby to retire the Hiyu? On the project page ( www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/ferries/144carferries/) it says that two are funded (so will be built) and that they can build up to four (in next spring they will determine whether the fund a third of not) and for the fourth... there is no info about it. Or you can look at the long range plan ( www.wsdot.wa.gov/Ferries/Planning/ESHB2358.htm) but as stated a lot it is three years old and it is really likely that not everything it in will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 20:38:32 GMT -8
The first two of Olympic Class will have names by November 13, 2012.
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Post by FNS on Oct 18, 2012 22:59:38 GMT -8
The first two of Olympic Class will have names by November 13, 2012. And, this naming decision by the Transportation Commission may be carried live on: www.tvw.orgI watched the naming decision of the SALISH and KENNEWICK live on my computer from this above mentioned site. We'll see if this is carried or not when the date gets closer as well as the schedule of the meeting's agenda.
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Post by chokai on Oct 26, 2012 12:02:21 GMT -8
The transportation commission sent out thier survey on people's opinions/thoughts on the names of the ferries this morning via FROG. In the unlikely event you haven't already done so and want to express your opinion you can register here: www.ferryridersopiniongroup.com/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 18:51:22 GMT -8
Is WSF thinking of SOlASing one of the Olympic Class vessel's to operate the Anacortes-Sidney to Chelan and to put Chelan on the Southworth-Fauntleroy-Vashon route? If, no, what routes will the Olympic class operate on? WSF's long-term plan for vessel deployment does not show an Olympic Class vessel being deployed to Sidney between now and 2031. Of course, this plan is 3 years old now and probably does not bear too much resemblance to what will actually happen in the years to come. That said, if they ever DO deploy a New 144 on that route, I do not think it will be either of the first 2 vessels slated to enter service in 2014 and 2015. As to where they will be deployed, I've always heard that New 144's (Olympic Class) will be deployed to Clinton to bump much needed capacity on the Mukilteo-Clinton route, currently served by two 124 Issaquah Class vessels. In the short term, you would see 1 Olympic Class vessel, and one Issaquah-Class vessel. Eventually, 2 Olympic Class vessels would be placed there, and when I say eventually, I mean by 2030. I'm pretty sure the San Juans will get an Olympic Class boat, and I think Bremerton will eventually get one, too. It could be that the one slated for the San Juans will split its time between there and Bremerton, or who knows. Vessel deployment has not been finalized, as far as I know, and it can always change. You're were wrong. I'm reading the long term plan (Service Plan and Investment from 2009) for summers starting in 2025 if the Sidney route countinue to operate with an increase capacity WSF will SOLAS an Olympic Class vessel.
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Post by Mike on Oct 29, 2012 19:01:16 GMT -8
WSF's long-term plan for vessel deployment does not show an Olympic Class vessel being deployed to Sidney between now and 2031. Of course, this plan is 3 years old now and probably does not bear too much resemblance to what will actually happen in the years to come. That said, if they ever DO deploy a New 144 on that route, I do not think it will be either of the first 2 vessels slated to enter service in 2014 and 2015.
As to where they will be deployed, I've always heard that New 144's (Olympic Class) will be deployed to Clinton to bump much needed capacity on the Mukilteo-Clinton route, currently served by two 124 Issaquah Class vessels. In the short term, you would see 1 Olympic Class vessel, and one Issaquah-Class vessel. Eventually, 2 Olympic Class vessels would be placed there, and when I say eventually, I mean by 2030. I'm pretty sure the San Juans will get an Olympic Class boat, and I think Bremerton will eventually get one, too. It could be that the one slated for the San Juans will split its time between there and Bremerton, or who knows. Vessel deployment has not been finalized, as far as I know, and it can always change. You're were wrong. I'm reading the long term plan (Service Plan and Investment from 2009) for summers starting in 2025 if the Sidney route countinue to operate with an increase capacity WSF will SOLAS an Olympic Class vessel. [/size][/quote] That plan is 3 years old. What actually happens will likely differ from what is in the plan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 19:04:54 GMT -8
You're were wrong. I'm reading the long term plan (Service Plan and Investment from 2009) for summers starting in 2025 if the Sidney route countinue to operate with an increase capacity WSF will SOLAS an Olympic Class vessel. [/size][/quote] That plan is 3 years old. What actually happens will likely differ from what is in the plan. [/quote]You never know! It could happen!
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 7, 2012 20:54:09 GMT -8
Here's a photo of one of the Olympics in the Vigor construction building (Taken 11/07/12):
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 19:47:25 GMT -8
I am now looking forward to seeing the Olympic Class ferries built. I think the bugs from Kwa-di Tabil will be design out of the Olympic Class. I think the Olympic Class will have better engines which will burn less fuel. Is the Olympic Class going to be designed to work in the San Juan Islands Route with extra wide lanes?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 8, 2012 21:36:59 GMT -8
I am now looking forward to seeing the Olympic Class ferries built. I think the bugs from Kwa-di Tabil will be design out of the Olympic Class. I think the Olympic Class will have better engines which will burn less fuel. Is the Olympic Class going to be designed to work in the San Juan Islands Route with extra wide lanes? To my knowledge, the Olympic Class will have the rough dimensions of the Super Class, as far as length/width goes. I believe the lanes will be roughly the same width as the Supers, if not a little wider. But certainly not by much. That being said, the state hasn't released the full set of plans for them like they did the KDTs in the Contract Search function.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 21:55:20 GMT -8
I think the bugs from Kwa-di Tabil will be design out of the Olympic Class. I think the Olympic Class will have better engines which will burn less fuel. Is the Olympic Class going to be designed to work in the San Juan Islands Route with extra wide lanes? To my knowledge, the Olympic Class will have the rough dimensions of the Super Class, as far as length/width goes. I believe the lanes will be roughly the same width as the Supers, if not a little wider. But certainly not by much. Will the Olympic Class be good in the San Juan Islands?
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 9, 2012 6:19:43 GMT -8
The lanes will be considerably wider than the Super class boats, as will the stairwells. The tunnel is supposed to be wide enough for three lanes of semi-truck traffic. And the look very promising in the San Juan Islands. I can't wait to get my grubby mitts on one, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 7:04:08 GMT -8
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