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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 19, 2010 9:50:27 GMT -8
Great progress photos of QQII, Flug! Thanks. The condo mini-towers across the street from that shipyard would be a great place for a ship-nut to live ! It was interesting to see the ship enclosed in scaffolding. - I may try to visit again in December, to see more progress.
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 19, 2010 16:21:39 GMT -8
Interesting... I'm not sure I entirely appreciate how that new wheelhouse changes the lines up the front of the superstructure. I think it's akin to adding a second nose in the middle of your forehead. It drags the line of sight a little bit out of line too much. Maybe it will look better once she's been painted again, but for the moment she looks more like a seiner than a ferry.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 15, 2010 12:33:13 GMT -8
I took some pictures at Point Hope Shipyard on Dec.14, 2010, of the Quadra Queen II. - a shipyard worker told me that the work will be complete in February 2011. Here are 4 angles of the progress: --------------
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Post by lmtengs on Dec 15, 2010 15:27:38 GMT -8
Old Photo: New photo: Those stairs on the back-end, they removed the port side of them. Isn't that a downgrade, not an upgrade? That makes the ship less accessible.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 18, 2010 1:17:37 GMT -8
Re: Stairs I took a look on Thursday Dec 16th, and they were hoisting a set of stairs around. I didn't stick around long enough to see where they would put it though. I had to get to my own ship as it was. Here in this photo you can see the stairs rigged up on the crane.
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Post by Neil on Jan 1, 2011 11:34:18 GMT -8
A more detailed summary of work being done on the Quadra Queen II, from the January Western Mariner:
Steel replacement of main deck and curtain plate, and a 'small amount' below waterline, complete re-coating, new windows, bulkheads, doors, washrooms etc in passenger cabin, relocation and renewal of machinery control room, new electrical, alarms, fire detection/sprinkler systems, new sewage holding and freshwater tanks,engines removed at Deas and rebuilt, reinstalled at Point Hope with new shafts, props, reduction gears, gensets, larger wheelhouse with new control consoles and systems, new bow thruster and bulbous bow.
Pretty major stuff, although I don't see why she'd be getting a bulbous bow. Looks like we'll be seeing the QQII around for a good many years.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 1, 2011 14:15:05 GMT -8
Looks like we'll be seeing the QQII around for a good many years. Thanks for the detail on the refit. It looks like they have the refit template set up and so when it is time for Tachek, they can just repeat what they did here with QQII. However, when and if they do the same to Tachek, they won't have a replacement ship available, assuming that Tenaka will be retired by then.
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 1, 2011 19:06:24 GMT -8
Looks like we'll be seeing the QQII around for a good many years. Thanks for the detail on the refit. It looks like they have the refit template set up and so when it is time for Tachek, they can just repeat what they did here with QQII. However, when and if they do the same to Tachek, they won't have a replacement ship available, assuming that Tenaka will be retired by then. Hold on a second. From what I've remembered in the past, the Tachek/Kahloke/Klitsa all share surplus vessel duties. Traditionally the Tachek would spend the Winter on the Hornby Route. Kahloke used to run the route mostly in the summertime. These last couple years they've just kept the Kahloke on the Hornby Run so the Tenaka and QQII could go for substantial refits. Before the days of the Kupers existance here, the Kahloke would come down south in the winter and replace the Klitsa when she needed refit. When the Tachek goes for her big refit, it will likely be in the timeframe where they will delay an annual refit for the QQII and Tenaka. However, if deemed absolutely necessary, I'm sure the Nimpkish could be brought down to provide relief. But it would have to be a substantial reason I'm sure.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 1, 2011 22:07:43 GMT -8
When the Tachek goes for her big refit, it will likely be in the timeframe where they will delay an annual refit for the QQII and Tenaka. However, if deemed absolutely necessary, I'm sure the Nimpkish could be brought down to provide relief. But it would have to be a substantial reason I'm sure. - Tenaka is scheduled for retirement in 2012 or 2013 (assuming the cable-ferry shuffle happens). - Tachek's upgrade is not scheduled yet, in the 2010-2012 capital expenditure plan. So I'm figuring that if Tachek's upgrade happens sometime after 2012, this will cause a vessel shortage, unless Tenaka stays-on until the Tachek's upgrade is completed. Otherwise there is no vessel to work on the Cortes route, other than the Nimpkish (which would be inadequate for a 9-month refit, and is likely needed mid-coast). So what will likely happen is that Tachek gets an upgrade done sometime in late 2012 & early 2013, and then Tenaka retires as soon as Tachek's refit is complete.
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 28, 2011 17:07:14 GMT -8
Photos of the QQII from January 23rd: A close-up of the new wheelhouse: This photo isn't particularly descriptive, but it shows the backside of the wheelhouse. An stern view. A side-shot. All those funnel-pipes are new. Here's what it used to look like: www.flickr.com/photos/bctransit/2838205185The old wheelhouse, laying on the ground at the end of the Point Hope lot. Is it just me, or is the new wheelhouse narrower than the original?
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Post by Neil on Jan 28, 2011 17:36:40 GMT -8
Is it just me, or is the new wheelhouse narrower than the original? I think you're narrower than the original. Oh, you mean the boat... The photos that Mr Horn posted in November show the new wheelhouse fully uncovered, and from that you can see that it's the same, if not slightly wider, than the old one. She'll have quite a different face, with the five sloping windows instead of the more vertical seven.
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 11, 2011 2:52:35 GMT -8
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 11, 2011 15:18:38 GMT -8
Interesting photos. She definitely looks better now that she has been repainted, but I'm still not sure that the new wheelhouse suits her looks. It seems to bulge outward a bit too much like it's perched haphazardly on a base that is too small to support it.
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 11, 2011 20:36:19 GMT -8
I must say that this new direction in wheelhouse design seems almost a bit like a throwback to the Queen of Prince Rupert in a modern way. Maybe the QPR's design had it right all along if that's the case.
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Post by mrdot on Feb 11, 2011 21:46:00 GMT -8
:)isn't it ironic, or back to the future, that the vessel that opened up modern north coast ferry service nearly fifty years ago, has marine features that have stood the test of time and some very hard steaming out to the charlottes/haida guai /millbank sound etc. Yes retro, I see a similarity! :)mrdot.
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 12, 2011 10:08:04 GMT -8
Looking at the photos again, I am thinking the possibly the greatest motivator for the shape of the new wheelhouses was sternward visibility. Before this, the ships had only to very small windows giving a stern view which must have added to the challenge of berthing stern-to. In this new wheelhouse, the windows facing the stern are set higher up, there are more of them, and they are bigger, giving a better view across the entire stern and to either side of the stern. I'm sure they also now have a better view forward, although I'm not sure they ever had bad visibility before, either.
I'm not entirely sure if they compare to the QPR's bridge, though. The bridge on the QPR was very small, and narrow on the inside, and was only the forward end of an entire deck (called the bridge deck) with a house containing various other rooms that were initially necessary for the ship's navigation, like a separate radio room. On the Quadra Queen, the bridge is now a single house detached on its own with nothing else connected to it. Although the forward sloped windows are similar to the QPR, the overall look and feel of the new wheelhouse seems to be more in line with some sort of patrol boat, or an aluminum hulled seiner.
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 12, 2011 11:25:28 GMT -8
I'm sure they also now have a better view forward, although I'm not sure they ever had bad visibility before, either. My memory escapes me at the moment, but you were on one of the bridge tours ages ago (I can remember two different times myself, with the group, on routes 18 and 22) aboard the Tachek, right? In any case, I certainly do remember the forward windows seeming far too small, too high up for most - as was made apparent among the large group of varying heights of people during the tour, let alone my own experience - and it felt that you had to hug the forward end of the bridge in order to get the best view in general including down to the bow. I'm not entirely sure if they compare to the QPR's bridge, though. The bridge on the QPR was very small, and narrow on the inside, and was only the forward end of an entire deck (called the bridge deck) with a house containing various other rooms that were initially necessary for the ship's navigation, like a separate radio room. On the Quadra Queen, the bridge is now a single house detached on its own with nothing else connected to it. Although the forward sloped windows are similar to the QPR, the overall look and feel of the new wheelhouse seems to be more in line with some sort of patrol boat, or an aluminum hulled seiner. I guess that I wasn't clear enough as I was speaking more to the comparison between the Quadra Queen II and the Queen of Prince Rupert's bridges' forward ends, specifically the profile, angled windows, width abeam, etc.
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 14, 2011 20:03:23 GMT -8
I'm sure they also now have a better view forward, although I'm not sure they ever had bad visibility before, either. My memory escapes me at the moment, but you were on one of the bridge tours ages ago (I can remember two different times myself, with the group, on routes 18 and 22) aboard the Tachek, right? In any case, I certainly do remember the forward windows seeming far too small, too high up for most - as was made apparent among the large group of varying heights of people during the tour, let alone my own experience - and it felt that you had to hug the forward end of the bridge in order to get the best view in general including down to the bow. I'm not entirely sure if they compare to the QPR's bridge, though. The bridge on the QPR was very small, and narrow on the inside, and was only the forward end of an entire deck (called the bridge deck) with a house containing various other rooms that were initially necessary for the ship's navigation, like a separate radio room. On the Quadra Queen, the bridge is now a single house detached on its own with nothing else connected to it. Although the forward sloped windows are similar to the QPR, the overall look and feel of the new wheelhouse seems to be more in line with some sort of patrol boat, or an aluminum hulled seiner. I guess that I wasn't clear enough as I was speaking more to the comparison between the Quadra Queen II and the Queen of Prince Rupert's bridges' forward ends, specifically the profile, angled windows, width abeam, etc. That's hair splitting .
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 3, 2011 19:31:35 GMT -8
QQII heading for sea-trials. - from Ogden Point web-cam, on March 3, 2011.
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Post by Neil on Mar 4, 2011 11:11:59 GMT -8
Call me clueless, but for some reason I'd never noticed before now that the passenger deck cabin on the Quadra Queen II was considerably larger than on her sister Tachek; that it extends aft of the funnels. Looking in the Clapp booklet on Department of Highways ferries, I see that was not the case when they were launched, so I'd be interested to know when the extension was done, and why.
Is there more passenger lounge in the rear of the Quadra Queen's cabin, or is it crew space?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 4, 2011 20:22:06 GMT -8
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Post by Queen of Vancouver on Mar 6, 2011 17:59:21 GMT -8
QQ2 was doing sea trials from point hope on friday
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 6, 2011 18:07:56 GMT -8
QQ2 was doing sea trials from point hope on friday I took a picture from the web-cam. See the QQII photo thread for that. I was watching a bit of the sea-trials on SiiTech. Do you think she'll go out again, or is this it until she moves back north?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 16, 2011 13:21:40 GMT -8
BCFS news release on return-to-service:
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Post by piglet on Mar 16, 2011 21:31:42 GMT -8
They had some nice footage of the QQII this evening on CHEK. The interior looked very nice and fresh after the over haul. They seemed to cover a lot of area on board in a very short time so its all short shots of one area after another but its a good once over.
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