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Post by Ferryman on Feb 22, 2009 11:16:35 GMT -8
As an effort to shift discussion about the "Welcome Aboard" signs on the 7 sisters from the Historical Photos thread, we can also discuss other little differences between those ships here. I've actually often wondered what those stripes had looked like. During various V-Class trips, I've noticed that you can still see those stripes under the current paint they have on those bulkheads, but if you look close enough. So obviously they're long decals, and were not painted on. On the Queen of New Westminsters bulkhead, what is the image below the writing? A deck plan? If so, it looks like it's a plan from pre stretching? That photo wasn't taken pre stretching was it?
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Feb 22, 2009 13:05:58 GMT -8
No, that photo was definitely taken post-stretching, but you're right....the diagram looks like it's from the pre-stretched era...I hadn't noticed that!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 22, 2009 13:36:56 GMT -8
And the Victoria was never equipped with platform decks. Not even in the late 1960's, in the years before her stretching?
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Post by hergfest on Feb 22, 2009 14:47:16 GMT -8
I think he means platforms after she was lifted. She had platforms before she was lifted. You can see them in the photos after she was sliced into in 1970.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 22, 2009 15:05:10 GMT -8
I think he means platforms after she was lifted. She had platforms before she was lifted. You can see them in the photos after she was sliced into in 1970. Silly me, interpreting "was never equipped" to mean that it was never equipped. ;D I'm sure FFYVR will be along sometime soon to set his record straight...
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Feb 22, 2009 18:11:31 GMT -8
And here I am, setting the record straight.....I DID mean that the Victoria had no platform decks POST-lifting. Thanks for the slap on the wrist
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 22, 2009 19:03:32 GMT -8
And here I am, setting the record straight.....I DID mean that the Victoria had no platform decks POST-lifting. Thanks for the slap on the wrist Hey, thanks for letting me know what you meant. Welcome to the land of absolutes!
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 22, 2009 19:51:48 GMT -8
And here I am, setting the record straight.....I DID mean that the Victoria had no platform decks POST-lifting. Thanks for the slap on the wrist Hey, thanks for letting me know what you meant. Welcome to the land of absolutes! Take it from a linguist: there are no laws of absolutes in the realm of language... especially the English language... especially when it is typed, written or spoken.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 22, 2009 20:31:46 GMT -8
7 Sisters vehicle capacities - then and now... As built all were rated at 106. With MCD platforms added all were rated at 150. Stretched and including MCD platforms all were rated at 192. The Nanaimo and Burnaby are still listed as such on the BCFS official web site. Then we come to the lifted versions... The Bannerman book says this: Vic & Van = 284; Esq & Saan = 400. The difference is no platforms on the former & a complete full width set of platforms on the latter. The other unlifted sisters were listed at 192. Jump forward to today... The official listing on the BCFS website shows these numbers: Esquimalt - 376; Saanich - 360; Vancouver 338 There is of course no info for the Victoria as she left the fleet quite some time ago. The current listing for the QNWM is 270, though I believe it was listed as 286 just a short time ago. Why is their so much disparity in the listings for the lifted sisters? As far as I know the Esquimalt and Saanich had identical car deck configurations so why is it that one can carry 16 more vehicles than the other? How is it that the Vancouver is listed at 338. I assume this means it had (has?) ramps with a capacity to carry 54 vehicles? I understand that the ramps on the sisters with them have not been used in years. So, in reality, these vessels' real vehicle capacity must be the same as that now listed for the QNWM - i.e. 270. What is the real capacity for the two unlifted sisters - 175 or 185? The Victoria must never have had any ramps post lifting. At the time of its retirement it was listed as having an auto capacity of 286. Did the Esquimalt or Saanich ever get 400 vehicles aboard? I somehow doubt it. Even today the numbers put out by BCFS re vehicle capacity are not exactly precise. Regarding the Spirit class vessels they currently state this: "410 (w/o platforms) including 34 semis" If 34 semis were on board the capacity for other auto equivalents might be about 220.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Feb 22, 2009 20:58:55 GMT -8
Those Welcome Aboard Signs are phenomenal. I'm in total AWE!!!!! But I'm so confused! Which font was the original kind? It doesn't make sense!
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 22, 2009 22:25:11 GMT -8
"Welcome Aboard" was either in a font called "Eras" or one called "FHWA Series E Modified".
The name of the ship was either in "Helvetica", "FHWA Series E Modified", or "Handel Split Gothic".
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 23, 2009 10:41:18 GMT -8
The Queen of Saanich still had that red line on the wall as you came up from the car deck right up until this day. She has had that ever since I can remember being on her.
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Post by pscurr on Jul 21, 2012 5:13:59 GMT -8
The question is which of the originals is on the cover of this CHQM/BC Ferries Album?
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Post by Nick on Jul 21, 2012 6:45:56 GMT -8
I'm fairly certain with the funnel configuration that it can be narrowed down to the 4 V-class. Which one... I'm not familiar enough with the pre-stretching differences to say.
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Post by pscurr on Jul 21, 2012 7:18:52 GMT -8
getting closer...
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Post by piglet on Jul 21, 2012 7:45:37 GMT -8
just as an aside from having done a lot of painting and repainting of equiptment if the lines on the boats were painted on and masking tape used (which one would expect it to be) the edge of the paint would have a ridge, one you would see even when painted over. I had to repaint one side of a locomotive when I wasn't listened too over that and you could see the old script showing through the new paint if the light hit it right.
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Post by Mirrlees on Jul 21, 2012 10:17:03 GMT -8
It is either the 'Saanich or 'Esquimalt. You can't see the pipes peeking over the rim of the funnel like on the "Vic and "Van.
I'd go so far to say it's Queen of Saanich.
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Post by pscurr on Jul 21, 2012 13:50:42 GMT -8
Fantastic, thank you for your expert guess... Now will be able to share on Galiano and know the name of the vessel.
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Post by Mayne on Jul 24, 2012 20:00:18 GMT -8
I cant think of a better place to post this question. I have a question for the experts on the forum, I have been searching and am un able to find my direct answer. After the city of Van and Vic where built the Sidney and Tsawwassen where moved to route 2. After the Q of Sanaich and Q of Esquimalt where built did they run all 4 on route 1 or did they split them up over 1 and 2 till the final three where build and placed on route 2
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 27, 2012 18:28:33 GMT -8
I cant think of a better place to post this question. I have a question for the experts on the forum, I have been searching and am un able to find my direct answer. After the city of Van and Vic where built the Sidney and Tsawwassen where moved to route 2. After the Q of Sanaich and Q of Esquimalt where built did they run all 4 on route 1 or did they split them up over 1 and 2 till the final three where build and placed on route 2 The Van, Vic, Saanich, and Esquimalt all ran on route 1, with one of the original two, and the Burnaby, New West, and Nanaimo all ran on route 2 with the other original, to my knowledge. Prior to the completion of the B's, the Chinook, among others, worked route 2. She was retired when the C's came into service in the late '70s. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Nick on Jul 27, 2012 18:57:16 GMT -8
I cant think of a better place to post this question. I have a question for the experts on the forum, I have been searching and am un able to find my direct answer. After the city of Van and Vic where built the Sidney and Tsawwassen where moved to route 2. After the Q of Sanaich and Q of Esquimalt where built did they run all 4 on route 1 or did they split them up over 1 and 2 till the final three where build and placed on route 2 The Van, Vic, Saanich, and Esquimalt all ran on route 1, with one of the original two, and the Burnaby, New West, and Nanaimo all ran on route 2 with the other original, to my knowledge. Prior to the completion of the B's, the Chinook, among others, worked route 2. She was retired when the C's came into service in the late '70s. Correct me if I'm wrong. TO my knowledge you're close... but not quite. I believe once the 4 V-class (Vic, Van, Saanich and Esquimalt) were built they were dedicated to route 1, with hourly service, and one of the originals was sent to route 2 to supplement service provided by the newly acquired Black Ball vessels. The other original would have been used to supplement service where needed and provide relief for refit and breakdowns. In other words, route 1 didn't see the Sidney or Tsawwassen much after the Saanich and Esquimalt came on-line. Once the B class were built (Burnaby, New West, Nanaimo), the Black Ball ships were relegated to less intensive routes (3, 7 etc) and route 2 was served by the 3 B class plus one original (usually TSW).
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Post by princessofvanfan on Jul 29, 2012 18:13:16 GMT -8
I'm 43, so my memory only goes back to the early 70's. So, from about '72 to '76 it was :
Route 1 :
Victoria Vancouver Esquimalt Saanich Alberni (starting in '76)
Route 2 :
Nanaimo Burnaby New Westminster Tsawwassen Surrey (1975-1976) Coquitlam (starting in '76) Cowichan (starting in '76)
I can't remember which of the B class went to Langdale-H.S Bay after the C's arrived on route 2 in 1976, or what the Sidney was up to. We used to take both routes all the time back then and spent a lot of time boating around southern Vancouver Island as well, but I don't ever remember seeing the Sidney at all, and I was a major ferry geek even back then!
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jul 29, 2012 18:56:44 GMT -8
I'm 43, so my memory only goes back to the early 70's. So, from about '72 to '76 it was : Route 1 : Victoria Vancouver Esquimalt Saanich Alberni (starting in '76) Route 2 : Nanaimo Burnaby New Westminster Tsawwassen Surrey (1975-1976) Coquitlam (starting in '76) Cowichan (starting in '76) I can't remember which of the B class went to Langdale-H.S Bay after the C's arrived on route 2 in 1976, or what the Sidney was up to. We used to take both routes all the time back then and spent a lot of time boating around southern Vancouver Island as well, but I don't ever remember seeing the Sidney at all, and I was a major ferry geek even back then! Prior to the stretching of all sisters I clearly remember being on nonstretched ferries but was too young to remember which. After all 7 were stretched the only time I was on one of the two orginals was on Route 1, TSW to SWB. The highest percentage of our trips was on HSB to DPB and I agree with the three stretched sisters, we never however managed to get on either the orignal two on that route. We went back and forth around 6 or more trips per year. After '73 our trips were at most 3 round trips per year. And we most took often a circle trip, going on one route and returning on the other.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 20, 2012 21:54:14 GMT -8
In 1962, when the Vic & Van came on line, I believe that both original Spauldings were moved to route 2. The Chinook & Kahloke were moved south to introduce even hour service on route 1 (during the summer of '62) while the Vic & Van provided the odd hour service. This arrangement lasted just one year until the Esquimalt & Saanich came along.
In the summer of 63, I expect that the Chinook & Kahloke went back to route 2 (and together with the original Spauldings) permitted hourly service to be introduced on both main routes. It would not have been until after the 'B's were in service that the Chinook & Kahloke were available for other work, including route 3, which permitted the first vessel retirements (ie. some of the fleet inherited from Blackball).
In 1962 I was eight years old. I recall the Chinook & Kahloke running on route 1. Would I place 100% trust in my memory on this? No. It would be nice to have some documentation to show that my memory is indeed correct (or otherwise). Mr. DOT might remember some detail from that time.
BTW, from 1965 to 74 the 'B's, plus the Tsawwassen, provided almost all service on route 2. The Sidney might have infrequently gone to route 2 to relieve one of the regulars during refit season.
The Sidney did spend quite a few years working as the main route 9 vessel. That arrangement started around about 1970, IIRC. I know that for a year or two the Chinook served on route 9. I believe the Sidney, between ~1965 & ~1970 was employed mainly in relief work on route 1, and in the summer, worked as a fifth ship on the run i.e. there were up to 20 sailings daily in each direction on route 1).
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 21, 2012 8:15:11 GMT -8
Note: This post is from the thread 'Getting the most out of your WCFF photos'. I believe that this is a more appropriate place for this item. WCK/JSTI don't know where to put this question/comment: there is one pic of I believe the Queen of Vancouver in the Expo era colours and it is just jam packed with people on both outside decks front to back (looks like its in active pass). Is that a real pic or doctored/photo shopped, and if real, what has so many people out there (it is unreal the number of people); it's on the board here, I just can't find the right page, but saw it a few mins ago tonight. You may have been looking at one of the current (Sept. 2012) flagship photos up at the top of each WCFF page. There is an old pastel blue photo of my brother's & a relatively recent one (from Scott's camera, I think) that both show hordes of people on the outside decks. The old ones have not been 'Photoshopped', nor the more recent one for that matter. When the V-class vessels were busy, with large passenger loads, it was common to see lots of people on the outside decks. This was particularly true during warm summer sailings. Another contributing factor was that sometimes the HVAC systems on these vessels had trouble adequately cooling the inside passenger areas of the ship, thus leading to folks going outside to cool off.
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