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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Nov 13, 2007 21:44:39 GMT -8
From Chief Stewards office - Queen of Alberni
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 13, 2007 22:15:15 GMT -8
Thanks for posting that, Scott. This will hopefully post most of the rumours to rest now.
Here's a video I've put together, from my trip aboard the Eskie last night.
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Post by Mirrlees on Nov 13, 2007 22:35:36 GMT -8
Great video, Chris. It looks like it was a beautiful evening out on the strait; much better than earlier in the day...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2007 11:21:59 GMT -8
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Post by 7sisters on Nov 25, 2007 12:17:03 GMT -8
Just curious but what does the "deteriorating Queen of Esquimalt" have to do with it being sold? .....I can't figure why you can't even mention a boat without it being shoved into another thread?....I know I'm targeted from my past which is why i seldom post......Again as before i thought hearing its sold would be thought of as news....Of course i'm sure everyone will be on saying...Oh.... ya sure it is!....What would two actual employess know! as long as we read its being used!....Give me a break!
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Post by Neil on Nov 25, 2007 13:57:34 GMT -8
7sisters- Something for you to mull over. You've posted 47 times. More than one in three of your posts have been to start new threads. If you look at the topics/posts totals at the bottom of our front page, you'll see that the usual ratio is one in twenty. So.. either you're six times more creative and informative than the rest of us , or you're just refusing to look before you post. If we all followed your example, this forum would be unreadable and unmanageable. We enjoy your input, but, please... The 'news' about the 'Esquimalt may be true, but at this point, it's still just speculation. Ship sales can't be kept secret; vessel ownership is on the public record at the TC registry, and everything gets on there sooner or later.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 25, 2007 14:46:35 GMT -8
For the record, I never did dispute the fact that she had been sold, What I disputed was that she would not be in service anymore. I believe also the Tsawwassen has been sold too. They are just waiting untill thier replacements to arrive.
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Post by Scott on Nov 25, 2007 15:06:06 GMT -8
Just a guide for posting. The "news" section has a little note at the top about having a link or some kind of official source for your thread. If we had a new thread for every little rumor or bit of information from a good source, this forum would be unnavigateable.
This is a thread (and a recently very active thread) dedicated to the Queen of Esquimalt... so news about this ship would be appropriately posted here.
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Post by 7sisters on Nov 25, 2007 15:29:49 GMT -8
Okay so am i understanding this correctly then......I have two BC Ferry employees tell me its SOLD!...But you guys aparently no more than they do???......if its sold its sold!....wether it leaves now or next year!......I don't see where its "Speculation"!....Oh and to "Neil" the captain thanks for the math lesson!....Must be wonderful to be "PERFECT"!!!
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Post by Scott on Nov 25, 2007 17:02:18 GMT -8
About three months ago I was told by a high ranking employee on the Queen of Esquimalt that the ferry would be sent to Turkey - not for scrap. I'm assuming that means she has been "sold" or some kind of contract has been signed with someone who will buy her and take her to Turkey. Other people have been told other things.. so it's hard to know what to believe. So it's not really news to us, no.
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Post by Hardy on Nov 25, 2007 17:26:27 GMT -8
If the service notice posted at the beginning of page 3 of this thread is any indication, whether 'Esquimalt is sold or not, we have her running Rte-30 until 31 March.
Too bad for WSF that their federal gov'ts 'dam' national pride gets in their way, or BCFS could at least lend-lease WSF an old boat or two while their Steel-Electrics are laid up.
Assuming that BCFS has some sales deal in place for the 'Esq and 'Tsa, I would assume that there is a clause in the agreements about timing and completion dates, should BCFS exercise their option to retain the ferries for a longer period of time "due to operational issues". If BCFS was silly enough to go and sign a date-certain agreement without this provision, then I hope that they end up in a world-class cluster-fk with their feet to the fire.
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Post by Nick on Nov 25, 2007 19:17:50 GMT -8
There is some truth to this rumour. While I worked at BCF, I was told that there was a deal made with a company in turkey that they would buy the Tsawwassen and the Esquimalt when BCF no longer needed them. They are going to continue to be used as ferries, not scrap (yet).
7sisters, the News section is for OFFICIAL releases from BC Ferries or a reputable news source. I'm sorry, but "my neighbour" doesn't count as a reputable news source. I know from personal experience that the operations employees of BC Ferries (ie terminal workers) do not always get the right information passed down to them.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2007 19:28:33 GMT -8
Just curious but what does the "deteriorating Queen of Esquimalt" have to do with it being sold? ..... If you read the above mentioned thread, you'd find that there is lots of discussion about the possible Turkey-sale of the Esquimalt. Now, a question for you or for your sources: - Is the Esquimalt sold on a future "as is" basis, or would there be a clause to kill the sale-deal if the ship were to have an accident sometime in the next 5 months? Ie. why would someone buy a ship now, that they can't yet take possession of, and that is still being operated by BC Ferries? - Or is it sold now, and leased-back by BC Ferries on a short-term lease? - Or maybe there's just an "intent for purchase" agreement signed, where the actual sales-price and the transfer-date are yet to be determined? In any case, the word "Sold" (even if it's all-caps) has a legal meaning, and I doubt that she's actually been legally sold. But maybe they have an " agreement to sell, at a future date".
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Post by 7sisters on Nov 26, 2007 7:53:59 GMT -8
To..."Coxnick"....My neighbour does count!!!!!!!!!!....he is a crewmember on the Cowichan!...not a "Terminal" employee!!!!......Maybe i should have told him...."Yah your full of crap!!".......He came to me and told me because he knew i wanted to know!I thought that was what forums are for....to tell what you know!!...Oh but of course "I started a new thread!"....tragic!!......
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Post by Nick on Nov 26, 2007 17:05:35 GMT -8
7sisters:
I used a terminal employee as an example of an operations employee, who historically have not been given entirely correct information. I know this as I have multiple family members who work in terminal and vessel operations, while I worked at head office. I was always given differing information from the other people. Most of the time, the information from head office turned out to be correct.
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Post by Neil on Nov 26, 2007 19:00:12 GMT -8
Anybody who's worked for a large company knows about the amount of rumours and misinformation that gets around. Maybe they have been sold. As of today, the TC registry still lists BC Ferries as the owner of both vessels. Could be out of date, of course.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 26, 2007 19:31:39 GMT -8
And, though still rumours, some have more weight to them such as the one told to me by a deckhand on this last summer's group CirclePac trip while aboard the Queen of Tsawwassen about her fate, told to the crew that same month by the prez and CEO David Hahn himself.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 26, 2007 19:43:19 GMT -8
To..."Coxnick"....My neighbour does count!!!!!!!!!!....he is a crewmember on the Cowichan!...not a "Terminal" employee!!!!......Maybe i should have told him...."Yah your full of sCrap!!".......He came to me and told me because he knew i wanted to know!I thought that was what forums are for....to tell what you know!!...Oh but of course "I started a new thread!"....tragic!!...... 7Sisters: Is there a reason why you are the only forum member who gets so worked-up about these things? Your emotional reaction really inhibits any chance of discussion with you. Do I detect a "martyr complex"?
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Post by 7sisters on Nov 27, 2007 11:50:55 GMT -8
Hey Guys.....Thanks "Flugel Horn' for the kind words!...Makes me so happy i spent countless hours putting 170 pictures on the bucket for such nice guy's!...I tell it like it is!...If no one cares.. or wants to say I am a blowhole and have nothing to say so be it.I don't like taking crap and I have been a marked man since the moment i came on board!...Starting with the neat guy who slagged me because i was all talk and know action on showing pics!..I can't believe the flack i have gotten over the sale of the Esquimalt! and what i was told!.....Anyways i think i will just stick with posting pics as apparently i can't do anything right on the forum....I will have some more slides down the road!......later
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Post by Balfour on Nov 27, 2007 12:45:15 GMT -8
All we're asking you to do is to look around the forum before you start a new thread, just to make sure that the topic that you want to start isn't being discussed already.
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Post by Neil on Nov 28, 2007 22:31:59 GMT -8
I actually sent BC Ferries an e-mail, asking if they had sold the Queens of Tsawwassen and Esquimalt.
The reply included:
As we acquire new vessels, some of the older vessels will be retired but until the final decisions are made the information is not public.
Not very informative. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Nov 29, 2007 5:11:35 GMT -8
Though sometimes a "No Comment" does speak volumes...given the rumours flying, the way BCFS worded their reply gives me an inkling that they do have some sort of plan or agreement in the works, even if it is not yet finalized. But, that's just me reading into it...
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Post by hergfest on Nov 29, 2007 13:22:59 GMT -8
I don't see how they can still operate a boat that has been sold, unless it is some kind of lease agreement. But that would cost them money, and I am sure the Tsa and the Esquimalt were paid off a long time ago.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 29, 2007 13:29:54 GMT -8
I don't see how they can still operate a boat that has been sold, unless it is some kind of lease agreement. But that would cost them money, and I am sure the Tsa and the Esquimalt were paid off a long time ago. A Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) / letter of intent could easily cover this.
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Post by Taxman on Nov 29, 2007 16:43:41 GMT -8
I would say that in any sense of the word "sold" both these boats still belong to BC Ferries. As BC Ferries is still actively using them, and assuming the risks and rewards of the asset, then for all intents and purposes they still own them.
When is year end?
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