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Post by Shane on Jun 13, 2005 18:29:12 GMT -8
did the saltspring have a lounge?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 13, 2005 18:32:31 GMT -8
I heard on Z95 that there was only one Albion ferry running today. Anyone know why or if that is true??
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Post by NMcKay on Jun 14, 2005 19:10:20 GMT -8
Yeha its true. THey shattered a prop, and had to get a new one flown in, not a big deal, and the klitsa only used to run relief at Albion maybe 50% of the time, the rest of the time it was the vesuvius queen, she could handle 30 - 35 cars, if it wasn;t for the fact that she sat so low in the water that our berths couldn't reach her, so thats what the planking is for, so that the ramp would reach the deck.
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 15, 2005 15:04:23 GMT -8
There's no such route as Fulford-Vesusius. fulford swartz is what i meant to type
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 16, 2005 15:19:42 GMT -8
obviously. I will be seeing Skeena Queen/Bowen Queen tommorrow, Skeena if she is out of refit now, of Bowen if not. I wonder what others I will see, Mayne Queen I know.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 16, 2005 15:22:23 GMT -8
Skeena is still in refit as I seen the Bowen Queen today still on the run!
I saw the ferry going to Kuper Island today and there was a whopping 1 car onboard, 3 cars as I seen it coming back too! Must not be alot first nations people leaving or going to Kuper today!
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 16, 2005 15:26:01 GMT -8
Exactly why Mill bay should be on that run and Klitsa be on the BB-MB run. p.s; what does F.Y.I mean?
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Post by Curtis on Jun 16, 2005 15:46:06 GMT -8
F.Y.I For Your Information
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Post by Shane on Jun 17, 2005 6:10:32 GMT -8
the mill bay should be on the kuper run the nimpkish should be on the mill bay run. but what could they do with the klitsa?
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 17, 2005 18:40:54 GMT -8
Klitsa could run Crofton-Vesuvius as the Howe sound Queen is to be retired soon.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 17, 2005 19:20:51 GMT -8
Klitsa is too small. I've seen the Howe Sound Queen full on that run before during August, when I usually go there for a week.
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 18, 2005 1:32:21 GMT -8
hey the hound dog is full most evenings on the 5:30 and 6:30 runs to vesuvius or maybe they are the 5 and 6 runs
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 18, 2005 8:27:42 GMT -8
I saw the Thetis and Kuper Island ferry on Thursday whichever one it is. I seen it from the air as it was going over to either Thetis or Kuper and there was only 1 car on it and I saw it coming from Kuper and it only had 3 cars. Not very busy that run!
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Post by Shane on Jun 18, 2005 12:03:38 GMT -8
thats why they should use the mill bay or nimpkish on the kuper run
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Post by NMcKay on Jun 18, 2005 12:09:10 GMT -8
i have a feeling im going to need to expain this a little bit, on the busy commuter runs from thetis and uper, it has been found that there are often waits of up to 3 sailings, because the ship is too small, they need more capacity for the commuter runs, and less capacity for runs like that. im thinking gallery decks.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 18, 2005 14:10:20 GMT -8
Thats ideal
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 20, 2005 16:26:03 GMT -8
well, mill bay for the C-T-K run except that sailing of 3 waits, then move Bowen/Mayne Queen up there for that particular sailing.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 20, 2005 18:35:25 GMT -8
nah, the Mill Bay is too small for that run. Hey maybe they need a Quinsam sized vessel over there.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 20, 2005 19:34:09 GMT -8
Denman-Hornby is probably the only way she could stay alive in fact she would be perfect in the off season
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 25, 2005 7:20:34 GMT -8
That's an Idea! Mill bay Denman-Hornby in the winter, and the other vessel on M.B - B.B. Then Mill bay back on the Mill bay -Brentwood bay run in the summer, like Saltery Bay to Earls cove, newer vessel in the Winter, older vessel in the summer, but I realise that is about to change.
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Post by ve7dvb on Jul 2, 2008 19:13:22 GMT -8
I travelled on the Lloyd-Jones from "westside" to Kelowna when I was a kid. Used to love to look down at the engines. Ended up being a relief Chief on the Vesuvius Queen (same boat) different location. The vessel used to go across where the Deas (Massey) tunnel is located now. it was cut up and trucked to the Okanagan lake and welded together and run across the lake until the first Kelowna bridge was built. It was then cut up and sent back to the west coast to be welded up and renamed, firstly as the Bowen Queen ( no for long) then as the Vesuvious Queen. Its main run was from Vesuvious Bay on Salt Spring Island to Crofton. A ship of similar design and with similar main and aux engines ran on Salt Spring Island from Fulford Harbour to Swartz Bay. This was the Saltspring Queen (one word for the Saltspring unlike the island which is two names). Ocassionally the Vesuvious would go for refit and the Saltspring Queen would take its place. Passengers noticed a few small differences but none that were major. The wooden slat seats in the waiting room were the same but the mens and ladies washrooms were on opposite sides. The Vesuvious Queen had brass polished handrails going from the cardeck to the waiting room, the Saltspring Queen had brass painted brown handrails (less polishing). The Saltspring Queen was eventually and slowly retired as the new Bowen Queen came to run from Fulford to Swartz Bay. But on occasion of the Bowen going to refit, the Saltspring Queen and the Pender Queen were pressed back into service. Starting up the Vivian's when they were cold, left a definite haze in the harbour. They did not like to be run cold and there was no gy shift on these boats. The generators were two cylinder, air start Vivians and had to be stopped at exactly the right position to start or the indicator cocks opened and it barred to the correct cycle and position so that the air start would turn the engine. Run out of air and you were in sorry shape. Vessels were 120 volts DC with open switchboards. Who needs safety guards if you are carefull about your work.
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Post by oceaneer77 on Jan 10, 2009 19:00:18 GMT -8
I was wondering what happened to the salt spring queen when BCFC was finshed with her.. does anyone know???
Thanks Oceaneer77
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 10, 2009 19:28:22 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 15, 2009 13:53:54 GMT -8
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Post by Mill Bay on May 3, 2010 21:56:28 GMT -8
Just stumbled across an article about the history of the Saltspring Queen/Delta Princess before she was displaced by the tunnel.
Tunnel sends river ferry to drydock 35-minute sailing across Fraser replaced by five-minute drive Sandor Gyarmati Delta Optimist
Saturday, May 23, 2009
The opening of the long sought after Deas Island Tunnel began a new era in Delta, but brought another to an end.
When the Fraser River crossing opened on May 23, 1959, it marked the final day of service for a Ladner ferry that had been operating for almost five decades. The Delta Princess completed its last crossing of the Fraser between Ladner and Woodward's Landing that day. Travel time between the two municipalities was cut from the approximately 35 minutes taken by the sternwheeler ferries to just five minutes through the tunnel, the Delta Optimist reported at the time.
The community got its ferry service after ratepayers petitioned the reeve and council for a bridge near Deas Island. The New Delta, a propeller-driven, steam-powered vessel that made round trips between Ladner and Steveston, provided ferry service from 1910 to 1913. The Sonoma replaced it in 1913.
Provided by the Department of Public Works, service between Ladner and Woodward's Landing started on a regular basis in November 1914 with the Helen M. Scanlon. To honour Delta's first reeve, the name changed to the William Henry Ladner in early 1915, when Capt. James Herrling assumed command.
The vessel would later be replaced by another sternwheeler, the SS Beaver, which had a greater carrying capacity for cars and passengers. The Beaver was succeeded by the Ladner-Woodwards No. 3, then by the motorship Agassiz, and finally by the Delta Princess.
Launched in May 1949, the Delta Princess had a capacity of 35 cars and a speed of 12 knots. The original ferry landing was located at the foot of Delta Street, behind where Sharkey's restaurant is now located at Ladner Harbour. The landing was later moved to another spot in the harbour, across the street from the Riverview Hotel, before eventually moving to the foot of Ferry Road, which cut the sailing time to Richmond.
The ferry service had several captains with D.O. Morris in charge for the historic final trip in 1959. On that trip, the ferry took a capacity load of cars and 200 people. The Ladner Band, on a low-bed truck loaned by Delta Freight Lines, even provided tunes. Herrling was also on that last sailing, greeting 88-year-old Harry Mills, who was one of the first deckhands when the Ladner ferry service began.
Edgar Dunning, who was publisher and editor of the Optimist at the time of the last trip, recalls lengthy weekend lineups for the ferry as well as motorists having to go all the way around through New Westminster if they missed the final sailing of the day at 11 p.m.
"It wasn't a nice drive when it was foggy, I can tell you that," he says. Longtime South Delta resident and retired high school principal Bill Kushnir, George Massey's son-in-law, says a few here viewed the idea of a tunnel to replace the ferry as a fantasy.
"George Massey was seen as kind of an oddball and was even called a crazy Irishman. But he just had that kind of personality and didn't stop. I'm very proud of him. He never got any personal gain other than personal satisfaction," Kushnir says. The Delta Board of Trade also frustrated Massey and he became so disillusioned that he left the organization. That's because the Acme Operating Company, the company running the ferry, influenced the board says Doug Massey, George's son.
"He left them and the (Lower) Fraser Crossing Association split to become its own independent group," he says. "It wasn't easy for my father but he kept on going and didn't give up. He did a lot of traveling and a lot of research and talked to so many people about it. He had the calculations so they couldn't argue with him that it couldn't be done, and he even drew maps."
All seemed forgiven by the time the tunnel opened as the board of trade named George Massey its Citizen of the Year in 1959. After its final trip here in 1959, the Delta Princess went to drydock in Vancouver for a few days before Capt. Morris took it to a run in the Gulf Islands.
© Delta Optimist 2009
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