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Post by mybidness459 on Mar 8, 2017 16:05:00 GMT -8
Cool!
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Post by jwjsamster on Mar 9, 2017 7:24:38 GMT -8
A quick question regarding the Salish Raven, as I understand it she will be replacing various vessels or adding frequency on certain routes. Do we have an idea where we will see her the most? Or will she be spending most of her time at DEas?
-jwj
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 9, 2017 8:06:54 GMT -8
A quick question regarding the Salish Raven, as I understand it she will be replacing various vessels or adding frequency on certain routes. Do we have an idea where we will see her the most? Or will she be spending most of her time at DEas? -jwj For summer season (and the busy parts of the shoulders on either side, I think), she will be on Route 9, which is Tsawwassen to Southern Gulf Islands. That's the easy part, so that's all I know for sure. You could also see her working on the Fulford-Swartz route, freeing-up the Skeena Queen to relieve other ships during refit season.
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Post by articulated on Mar 9, 2017 16:05:07 GMT -8
A quick question regarding the Salish Raven, as I understand it she will be replacing various vessels or adding frequency on certain routes. Do we have an idea where we will see her the most? Or will she be spending most of her time at DEas? -jwj For summer season (and the busy parts of the shoulders on either side, I think), she will be on Route 9, which is Tsawwassen to Southern Gulf Islands. That's the easy part, so that's all I know for sure. You could also see her working on the Fulford-Swartz route, freeing-up the Skeena Queen to relieve other ships during refit season. Oddly the best source I've found so far for where the Salish Raven will operate when operating in relief service comes from the Minor-44 class application. On page 10, there is a description of the Salish class, which identifies it operating primarily on routes 7, 9, and 17 (so basically Island Sky and the other two Salish vessels). It goes further to say that potentially it could operate on routes 4, 5, 6, and 19, and as extra capacity on the "major routes" (presumably 1, 2, 3, and 30). With only 3 Salish class vessels, I'd imagine Salish Raven for now will stick to 7, 9, and 17 unless a vessel dies suddenly and Bowen Queen is already being used elsewhere. The same document also pegs the Salish class as being replacements for the Powell River class, Quinsam, and the Intermediate class, which fits with the routes it has the potential to operate as relief on. This will be the result of the fleet plan having no vessel in the 70-100 AEQ range to bridge the gap between the Minor-44 class and the 144 AEQ Salish class.
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Post by mybidness459 on Mar 9, 2017 17:42:20 GMT -8
A few Weeks ago I took a ride over to Gabriola and I asked a crew member when the Quinsam is due for her next refit and he said December. He told me he was not sure which boat is going to replace her, "Either the Bowen Queen or one of the New ones" he said. New ones of course probably meaning the Raven, I would assume as They do not need a 145AEQ vessel on that run. That is if it will be a new one.
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Post by Kahn_C on Mar 18, 2017 8:49:53 GMT -8
Salish Raven is out for sea trials today.
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Post by mybidness459 on Mar 18, 2017 14:29:25 GMT -8
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Post by tak22 on Mar 18, 2017 14:38:45 GMT -8
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Post by timmyc on Mar 19, 2017 14:59:45 GMT -8
HMCS Oriole spotted Salish Eagle while off the Oregon coast:
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Post by Ferryman on Apr 9, 2017 16:20:05 GMT -8
Drone footage of the Salish Raven departing Gdansk on sea trials
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Post by timmyc on Apr 26, 2017 15:33:57 GMT -8
Salish Eagle has received her artwork! (on April 13)
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Post by mybidness459 on Apr 27, 2017 15:00:02 GMT -8
Salish Raven now on her way to BC? I do not know what to think of this, Salish Raven is getting ready to depart Gdansk en route to BC. They Have her trip info all ready with her destination as Tenerife, Eta May 8, However the map show's the vessel still at her dock in Gdanks. So she will be leaving very shortly. 3:55 pm April 27 www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/SALISH-RAVEN-IMO-9750294-MMSI-377151000
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Post by gordon on Apr 28, 2017 6:25:01 GMT -8
According to Marine Traffic Salish Eagle is heading to Teneriffe Likely he her first stop on her delivery voyage.
When Doer the Salish Orca go into service?
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Post by Kahn_C on Apr 28, 2017 6:49:36 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 28, 2017 7:17:43 GMT -8
Delivery thread now started.
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 28, 2017 8:07:49 GMT -8
According to Marine Traffic Salish Eagle is heading to Teneriffe Likely he her first stop on her delivery voyage. When Doer the Salish Orca go into service? I think you mean the S Raven ... The Eagle has already landed!
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Post by roeco on Apr 28, 2017 9:32:51 GMT -8
According to Marine Traffic Salish Eagle is heading to Teneriffe Likely he her first stop on her delivery voyage. When Doer the Salish Orca go into service? I think you mean the S Raven ... The Eagle has already landed! Yes The Eagle has Landed...Now wait for the Raven to Land and they'll all be good to go lol
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Post by arrrrmatey on Aug 29, 2017 6:41:32 GMT -8
Does anyone know how well these 3 have been operating on natural Gas? Is BCF using it 100% of the time (or close to)?
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Post by yak on Aug 29, 2017 13:21:17 GMT -8
Does anyone know how well these 3 have been operating on natural Gas? Is BCF using it 100% of the time (or close to)? My experience is that when the ships are on gas you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference, at least on the operator side. Salish run with 2 or 3 generators on the board and they can be run all on diesel, all on gas or on a combination with two run on one fuel and the third run on the other. The theoretical output on diesel is higher than the gas and if the ship is running hard to make up lost time the Engineers will likely switch to diesel. That being said, even on gas there is generally sufficient power for the runs these ships are making. More often than not, at least on Route 9, the default is to run 2 generators on gas or diesel (largely based on fuel management) with a third generator brought online for Active Pass or if serious time needs to be made up. Honestly, most of the time the only difference you'd notice is that a little icon on the conning display is blue when a generator is on gas and it is green when the generator is on diesel...
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Post by dofd on Aug 29, 2017 17:35:44 GMT -8
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Post by arrrrmatey on Aug 31, 2017 5:59:03 GMT -8
Does anyone know how well these 3 have been operating on natural Gas? Is BCF using it 100% of the time (or close to)? My experience is that when the ships are on gas you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference, at least on the operator side. Salish run with 2 or 3 generators on the board and they can be run all on diesel, all on gas or on a combination with two run on one fuel and the third run on the other. The theoretical output on diesel is higher than the gas and if the ship is running hard to make up lost time the Engineers will likely switch to diesel. That being said, even on gas there is generally sufficient power for the runs these ships are making. More often than not, at least on Route 9, the default is to run 2 generators on gas or diesel (largely based on fuel management) with a third generator brought online for Active Pass or if serious time needs to be made up. Honestly, most of the time the only difference you'd notice is that a little icon on the conning display is blue when a generator is on gas and it is green when the generator is on diesel... Thanks for the information, Yak. As an engineer, I'm very interested in hearing about stuff like this. Do you know anything of the fuel economy? I'm curious how do they compare to the vessels they replaced or to similar size vessels such as the Island Sky. On the BCF website, they list the Island Sky as having more horsepower than the Salish class. While horsepower does not necessarily relate to fuel consumption, I'm inclined to think that the Salish class are more efficient for a number of reasons. It would be interesting to see the 'extra' Salish vessel on Earls/Saltery in the off season, when she is not replacing the other Salish vessels for refits. My original question here, which I now realize was not very clear, was whether or not BCF is using natural gas as priority over diesel. My fear with the dual fuel vessels was that BCF would come up with a reason not to use natural gas, citing 'safety issues' or something like that. I've heard that the hybrid conversion vessel (Tachek?) is not being run in hybrid mode, though I don't know if that is 100% true.
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Post by yak on Aug 31, 2017 8:12:23 GMT -8
My experience is that when the ships are on gas you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference, at least on the operator side. Salish run with 2 or 3 generators on the board and they can be run all on diesel, all on gas or on a combination with two run on one fuel and the third run on the other. The theoretical output on diesel is higher than the gas and if the ship is running hard to make up lost time the Engineers will likely switch to diesel. That being said, even on gas there is generally sufficient power for the runs these ships are making. More often than not, at least on Route 9, the default is to run 2 generators on gas or diesel (largely based on fuel management) with a third generator brought online for Active Pass or if serious time needs to be made up. Honestly, most of the time the only difference you'd notice is that a little icon on the conning display is blue when a generator is on gas and it is green when the generator is on diesel... Thanks for the information, Yak. As an engineer, I'm very interested in hearing about stuff like this. Do you know anything of the fuel economy? I'm curious how do they compare to the vessels they replaced or to similar size vessels such as the Island Sky. On the BCF website, they list the Island Sky as having more horsepower than the Salish class. While horsepower does not necessarily relate to fuel consumption, I'm inclined to think that the Salish class are more efficient for a number of reasons. It would be interesting to see the 'extra' Salish vessel on Earls/Saltery in the off season, when she is not replacing the other Salish vessels for refits. My original question here, which I now realize was not very clear, was whether or not BCF is using natural gas as priority over diesel. My fear with the dual fuel vessels was that BCF would come up with a reason not to use natural gas, citing 'safety issues' or something like that. I've heard that the hybrid conversion vessel (Tachek?) is not being run in hybrid mode, though I don't know if that is 100% true. I am not on the Engineering side of things, so any insight that I have into the process probably won't answer all of your questions. At least on Route 9 the vessel is being routinely run on LNG or at least LNG and diesel. The buzz term being used on board for when we choose to use one or the other is "fuel management". As far as I know it goes beyond simply how much of each fuel we have on board. You probably understand the properties of LNG more than I do but since it is delivered at such a low temperature it is always wanting to warm and expand in the storage tank on board. Therefore the ship needs to keep burning it somewhat regularly in order to keep pressure from building and also to cool the tank through adiabatic expansion. There's no danger of over-pressurizing the tank since the system would automatically vent to atmosphere if pressure built to an unacceptable point - but obviously that's not ideal considering the environmental considerations. Fuel economy-wise I couldn't tell you for sure what is more efficient between a Salish and the Island Sky. As you say, you'd be inclined to think Salish is more efficient for a number of reasons and I'd suspect the same.
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Post by yvr on Aug 31, 2017 21:45:50 GMT -8
I been reviewing the public version of the contract for the 3 Salish ferries built in Poland. That total contract was for $165 million, however a fact that seems to go unnoticed is the first vessel was supposed to be delivered August 1, 2016, it was delivered January 10th 2017, 163 days late. Vessel 2 to be delivered October 1, 2016, was delivered March 20th, 171 days late, and vessel 3 to be delivered February 1, 2017 was delivered June 7th 2017, 127 days late. There is a 15 day grace period for each ferry. Thus with my back of the envelope calculations: 461 days late minus 45 = 416 penalty days late X $20,000 (Daily Penalty) = $8,320,000.00 late penalty. Ah but wait, the contract states the maximum penalty is only $6,000,000.00
One should also note the contract stated that after 180 days, BC Ferries can rescind the contract for a full refund. So if you look back you will see none of the 3 were over 180 days, close but not over - obviously the yard didn't want to take a chance on a cancellation, and gave a big push, especially for vessel #2.
(The penalty information is from a BCF press release)
As it's public knowledge how much we paid for the three ferries, why is not public knowledge how much money we saved due to late delivery?
I emailed Deborah Marshall at B.C. Ferries about this and here is her response.
I can confirm that we charged liquidated damages for late delivery and we were credited with an amount (just like we charged Vancouver Shipyards for late delivery of the cable ferry). In both circumstances, however, we will not release the amounts that we received from the shipyards as this is commercially sensitive information. Regards,
Deborah Marshall Executive Director, Public Affairs Corporate Development British Columbia Ferry Services Inc. T: 250-978-1267 C: 250-516 7211
165 million total price is public knowledge but suddenly when it comes to how much we saved due to late delivery of new ferries it's commercially sensitive information. I really have doubts we saved the millions we were supposed to. The reason is the Spirit class ferries are going to the same Polish shipyard for rebuild and upgrade to LNG. Was there a back room deal put in place regarding these ferries and the 3 Salish sisters. Why is it commercially sensitive information? I believe we need proof we received the millions we were supposed to?
YVR
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Post by mybidness459 on Sept 1, 2017 16:29:42 GMT -8
Aqua Spirit will have refit in BC not Poland according to vessel finder.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 3, 2018 16:51:14 GMT -8
Here's a Salish Class warranty news item: from HERE
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