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Post by timmyc on Jun 12, 2017 22:40:26 GMT -8
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Post by mirrlmak on Jun 16, 2017 12:20:08 GMT -8
I've got a question... in the Minor 44 news release it mentions that these vessels will feature:
"A fully contained waste water handling system which eliminates discharges to the sea".
This being said, what currently happens? When I flush the toilet on the Kahloke, does it go out to sea?
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Post by mybidness459 on Jun 16, 2017 13:29:02 GMT -8
I thought all ships had holding tanks installed onboard and waste are pumped ashore while vessel in dock. I do not think anything is discharged overboard anymore.
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Post by Nick on Jun 16, 2017 15:16:46 GMT -8
I've got a question... in the Minor 44 news release it mentions that these vessels will feature: "A fully contained waste water handling system which eliminates discharges to the sea". This being said, what currently happens? When I flush the toilet on the Kahloke, does it go out to sea? Not sure about the specific example of Kahloke. On vessels that berth at a terminal that is connected to a sewer system, they have holding tanks and pump ashore at night. For the vessels that berth at small, remote terminals such as Denman Island, Shingle Spit, etc and don't ever visit a sewer-connected terminal, I don't know. They may still discharge to sea through an onboard treatment plant.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 16, 2017 21:37:50 GMT -8
I've got a question... in the Minor 44 news release it mentions that these vessels will feature: "A fully contained waste water handling system which eliminates discharges to the sea". This being said, what currently happens? When I flush the toilet on the Kahloke, does it go out to sea? Not sure about the specific example of Kahloke. On vessels that berth at a terminal that is connected to a sewer system, they have holding tanks and pump ashore at night. For the vessels that berth at small, remote terminals such as Denman Island, Shingle Spit, etc and don't ever visit a sewer-connected terminal, I don't know. They may still discharge to sea through an onboard treatment plant. Perhaps Winston Rothchild will drive aboard with his truck & pump 'em out.
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 16, 2017 23:13:12 GMT -8
Ship's that don't have access to a city sewer line at the berth just simply have a holding tank that needs to be pumped out every 2-3 days usually. A honey truck drives on board and connects to thr ship's connection, and it sucks it all out. The aroma quite unique. Ship's like the Howe Sound Queen, Kuper, Kahloke, etc etc have to do this. There are only pump ashore connections at Swartz Bay, Tsawwassen, Duke Point, Departure Bay, Langdale, Nanaimo Harbour, Westview, and Bear Cove
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Post by Nick on Jun 17, 2017 0:01:20 GMT -8
Ship's that don't have access to a city sewer line at the berth just simply have a holding tank that needs to be pumped out every 2-3 days usually. A honey truck drives on board and connects to thr ship's connection, and it sucks it all out. The aroma quite unique. Ship's like the Howe Sound Queen, Kuper, Kahloke, etc etc have to do this. There are only pump ashore connections at Swartz Bay, Tsawwassen, Duke Point, Departure Bay, Langdale, Nanaimo Harbour, Westview, and Bear Cove Wow, that gets expensive quick. Thanks for the info.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 30, 2017 18:35:58 GMT -8
I either missed this point earlier, or had forgotten about it: The Federal Government is helping to fund the purchase of the 2 new Minor-44 ships
This is from the "Management's Discussion & Analysis" report for the year ended March 31, 2017, released today.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 30, 2017 18:45:55 GMT -8
A brief mention of the "Shuttle Class" in the "Management's Discussion & Analysis" report for the year ended March 31, 2017, released today
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Post by articulated on Jun 30, 2017 19:22:40 GMT -8
A brief mention of the "Shuttle Class" in the "Management's Discussion & Analysis" report for the year ended March 31, 2017, released today Well at least it confirms 3 Shuttle class vessels to replace the 3 Powell River class vessels. Bowen Queen's role (9A during the summer, relief vessel during the off-season) has effectively already been replaced by Salish Raven, so theoretically BCF could get away with only 2 Shuttle class vessels. Wonder as well if the 3rd Shuttle class vessel will function as a full-time relief vessel like Salish Raven, or if it will bump Skeena Queen, Quinsam, or another to relief duties.
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Post by YoursTruly on Jun 30, 2017 21:41:10 GMT -8
Very interesting. I'm curious as to what the design will be. They've already got a pretty good template for a 100-car "shuttle-style" ferry with Skeena Queen. My initial preconception is this could be similar in design to the Century Class design with accommodations for LNG, or perhaps an expanded version of the Minor-44 class. The article mentions building "several" of these. It's too early to say how many, but I can see Routes 4, 6, 19, and 23 getting this class, ultimately retiring Quinitsa and Quinsam, and possibly making Skeena Queen a relief vessel. Granted, I'm talking quite a few years out here. Although, my personal belief is that Route 4 should get a vessel with a proper above-deck passenger cabin, something along the lines of Island Sky. How is it that Bowen Island, a 20 minute crossing, rates an I-Class vessel with a real passenger cabin, and Saltspring gets a "shuttle" ferry with meager car-deck passenger lounges (Skeena Queen) for a 35 minute crossing? I'm not knocking Skeena Queen. It's a fine ferry, but I AM suggesting the length of the Fulford Harbour-Swartz Bay run warrants a vessel with better passenger accommodations. I'm very interested in the new intermediate "Shuttle class" ferry builds. The Skeena Queen is the companies bench mark for abilities and power/ speed etc. for this upcoming project, when replacing the Powell River Queen in particular they quickly got off the notion of the Cumberland because her propulsion plant can't handle it and would see black outs in the most heavily current laden route in the fleet. The Skeena Queen 2.0 will be really interesting to see how it works out. There's going to be some interesting changes in the midlife with washrooms being combined so there is one multi stall facility on each side (Men's and Women's,) and I believe a single handicap washroom, which means that any handicap persons may need a specific parking section on the vehicle deck as opposed to either side between the pillars. There will be a single rescue/ shepherd boat and davit, and some other interesting changes like moving the sound booth (the MCR is currently only a sound insulated booth with no A60 class fire protection) off to the side so there is a direct entrance, and deleting the existing hatch in the lane. Plans aren't solidified yet, but she's a fantastic ship and hopefully the new changes don't ruin her. New seating in the lounges to reflect the nice seating on larger vessels will both vastly improve comfort from the fibreglass bench seats and help with absorbing sound. I'm not positive if there will be added sound insulation in the lounges, but they really could use it!
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jul 1, 2017 13:02:26 GMT -8
I could see Osprey 2000 as deisgn template with the snack bar included on vessels.
1. Mayne Queen gets replace with one of these vessels. 2. Powell River Queen replacement would sift the Skeena Queen to Campbell River to Quarda Island, with the new vessel operating from Swartz Bay to Fuildford Harbour. 3. Bowen Queen replacements will do I don't know.
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Post by princessofvanfan on Jul 1, 2017 14:02:03 GMT -8
Very interesting. I'm curious as to what the design will be. They've already got a pretty good template for a 100-car "shuttle-style" ferry with Skeena Queen. My initial preconception is this could be similar in design to the Century Class design with accommodations for LNG, or perhaps an expanded version of the Minor-44 class. The article mentions building "several" of these. It's too early to say how many, but I can see Routes 4, 6, 19, and 23 getting this class, ultimately retiring Quinitsa and Quinsam, and possibly making Skeena Queen a relief vessel. Granted, I'm talking quite a few years out here. Although, my personal belief is that Route 4 should get a vessel with a proper above-deck passenger cabin, something along the lines of Island Sky. How is it that Bowen Island, a 20 minute crossing, rates an I-Class vessel with a real passenger cabin, and Saltspring gets a "shuttle" ferry with meager car-deck passenger lounges (Skeena Queen) for a 35 minute crossing? I'm not knocking Skeena Queen. It's a fine ferry, but I AM suggesting the length of the Fulford Harbour-Swartz Bay run warrants a vessel with better passenger accommodations. I agree. Swartz Bay - Fulford is a very scenic trip, and having Skeena Queen with her one side facing lounges does not do it justice. At least Saltspring Queen had a proper upper deck lounge with decent views. I remember when they used Queen of the Islands on that run in the late 70's - now THAT ship had a proper upper deck lounge!
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Post by ragingpotatoyt on Jul 10, 2017 10:24:33 GMT -8
Anyone have an idea on what the Bowen class ferry is
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 10, 2017 10:52:17 GMT -8
Anyone have an idea on what the Bowen class ferry is Bowen Queen, Mayne Queen and Powell River Queen. All 3 were identical when built in the 1960s. The Powell River Queen was later modified to make all lanes tall enough for overheight vehicles. Later, all three ships were stretched to add more car deck space.
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Post by ragingpotatoyt on Jul 10, 2017 10:54:42 GMT -8
Anyone have an idea on what the Bowen class ferry is Bowen Queen, Mayne Queen and Powell River Queen. All 3 were identical when built in the 1960s. The Powell River Queen was later modified to make all lanes tall enough for overheight vehicles. Later, all three ships were stretched to add more car deck space. I thought that they were called the Powell river class ferries
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 10, 2017 11:12:32 GMT -8
I thought that they were called the Powell river class ferries I think both names are used. Powell River class is probably the more correct name. But they mean the same thing; the same three ships.
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Post by roeco on Jul 11, 2017 9:26:52 GMT -8
I tyink it was originally Powell River Class until they modified the Powell River Queen then the Bowen and Mayne became "Bowen Class" lol!
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Post by Kahn_C on Aug 3, 2017 9:14:14 GMT -8
New minor 44 artists renderings and the community engagement schedule is up on the BCFC project site: www.bcferries.com/about/projects/bc-ferries-newest-class-of-vessels.htmlTEXADA ISLAND Date: August 14, 2017 Time: 5:30 – 7:30pm Location: Texada Seniors Center ALERT BAY Date: August 15, 2017 Time: 4:30 – 6:30pm Location: Lawrence Amber Memorial Recreational Center (‘Namgis Hall) SOINTULA Date: August 16, 2017 Time: 5:30 – 7:30pm Location: Upper Crust Bakery - 170, 1st Street
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Post by Starsteward on Aug 3, 2017 9:36:03 GMT -8
The design renderings for the new vessels appear to be well thought out. One re-think might be in the materials used for the interior seating, as I'd like to see something a bit more comfortable than metal on which to park ones' butt.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 18, 2017 17:28:10 GMT -8
From BCFS Management's Discussion & Analysis report for 3 months ended June 30, 2017:
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Post by ProudCanuck on Oct 26, 2017 11:53:36 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Oct 27, 2017 7:36:44 GMT -8
Very interesting, informative website! Damen makes it easy to compare various models/types of vessels that they offer. In terms of the design of road-ferry -8117, I gather that there is no passenger elevator available between the car deck and the upper passenger gallery? I don't like the looks of all those stairs in one of the diagrams. As these vessels are a look into the future needs of BCFS's intermediate/minor routes, my one concern is that passenger space is not being sacrificed. ie. Salish class vs. old B class (Nanny) vessels. When Damen Industries starts churning out these smaller vessels, I gather they would not be delivered to B.C., sailed on their own but as cargo on a larger carrier?
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Post by Neil on Oct 27, 2017 11:52:59 GMT -8
So the dimensions of these vessels will be approximately 267' long by 57' wide. Looks like three lanes on the main deck, and two more port and starboard going over the passenger lounges. With this configuration I predict the real AEQ capacity will be more like 52-55, not the 44 specified. We'll see.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 27, 2017 13:40:30 GMT -8
So the dimensions of these vessels will be approximately 267' long by 57' wide. Looks like three lanes on the main deck, and two more port and starboard going over the passenger lounges. With this configuration I predict the real AEQ capacity will be more like 52-55, not the 44 specified. We'll see. I guess it depends on which math BC Ferries was using when these vessels were first being planned. Was that before the standard vehicle size was adjusted to 6m (19.6')? If so, you might be right about the capacity. Although, I was just looking at that top-down rendering Damen provided, the one showing vehicles, and it seems like 44 is about right, with the kinds of cars represented in that image, at least to my eye. The one rendered view looking down the main vehicle deck makes it look like there are two vehicle lanes above the passenger cabin. It starts out as one lane going up the ramp on each end, then widens out to two at the top. Does that seem correct? I like the looks of this new ferry. The design seems much more coherent and symmetrical than the Salish trio.
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