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Post by Neil on Nov 19, 2017 23:09:59 GMT -8
We were on the Horseshoe bay/Departure bay sailing today. 100% full and stormy. Seating was inadequate because people put clothing or luggage on seats beside them so they can have a 5 seat private area. Just like the people who are not eating sitting in the restaurant. If the answer to my pet issue is use the designated pet areas can you imagine how crowded they will be! If the steward or officers are paying attention, there will sometimes be an announcement about people not monopolizing seats. I think they need to do that more often.
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Post by dofd on Nov 20, 2017 1:13:01 GMT -8
We were on the Horseshoe bay/Departure bay sailing today. 100% full and stormy. Seating was inadequate because people put clothing or luggage on seats beside them so they can have a 5 seat private area. Just like the people who are not eating sitting in the restaurant. If the answer to my pet issue is use the designated pet areas can you imagine how crowded they will be! Have never had a problem about asking people to free up chairs. I have never been on one full sailing with no seat options, with a simple "i have # number of people, can you move down #" And this is route 1.
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Post by Charles on Dec 11, 2017 8:20:01 GMT -8
Smoking should definitely be gone, I remember riding the Nanaimo through active pass on a lovely day but it was immediately ruined by the smell of smoke. I get that some people have addictions to smoking but the ferries are a public space with lots of people and their experience shouldn't be ruined by the odour of smoke.
As for lower deck I have a dog and she hates the ferries and gets anxiety and starts to cause havoc in our car so when she comes along for a trip my parents will take "shifts" with her. If that was banned it would make life a bit more annoying and she hates being around unknown dogs so I'm on the fence but I personally lean towards letting people stay on the lower decks.
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Post by FNS on Dec 11, 2017 13:51:35 GMT -8
Smoking should definitely be gone, I remember riding the Nanaimo through active pass on a lovely day but it was immediately ruined by the smell of smoke. I get that some people have addictions to smoking but the ferries are a public space with lots of people and their experience shouldn't be ruined by the odour of smoke. As for lower deck I have a dog and she hates the ferries and gets anxiety and starts to cause havoc in our car so when she comes along for a trip my parents will take "shifts" with her. If that was banned it would make life a bit more annoying and she hates being around unknown dogs so I'm on the fence but I personally lean towards letting people stay on the lower decks. Here are my suggestions:
All owners of vehicles having passengers with mobility issues and/or pets should make a note of these when making reservations so they can be directed by the toll booth to the loading lanes that lead up to the Third (or uppermost) Car Deck of the Spirit, Coastal, Coquitlam, Alberni, Oak Bay, Salish, or the New Westminster Class ferry.
If they must be sent to the closed Lower Deck, a deckhand could pull out a small blank version of a deck plan and put an "X" where the car(s) is/are and its/their make(s), license plate(s), and name(s) and either an "MOB" or "PET". During emergencies, the crew can quickly locate these permitted "stay in their car" folks for quick evacuation. Group these vehicles together in one lane. If any of these folks go topside, they'll have to ask for the deckhand with the marked layout to be escorted below.
I am all for No Smoking. It was bad down here aboard our WSF vessels before the ban. You had to hold your breath while walking though the midship smoking lounges aboard the Steel Electrics during their wooden cabin days. It's a lot better here now. It'll be a lot better in BC.
One exception is on the northern route from PHD to PRP. After passing Bella Bella, you enter a wide open area before entering the scenic narrow northern passages. Give smokers only one hour to light up at the stern in this lesser scenic area before the ferry enters the passages. The crew can bring out and remove close-able ash containers. Amtrak offers smoke stops for train passengers (might be eliminated in the future).
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Post by futureferrydriver on Dec 11, 2017 21:23:19 GMT -8
Smoking should definitely be gone, I remember riding the Nanaimo through active pass on a lovely day but it was immediately ruined by the smell of smoke. I get that some people have addictions to smoking but the ferries are a public space with lots of people and their experience shouldn't be ruined by the odour of smoke. As for lower deck I have a dog and she hates the ferries and gets anxiety and starts to cause havoc in our car so when she comes along for a trip my parents will take "shifts" with her. If that was banned it would make life a bit more annoying and she hates being around unknown dogs so I'm on the fence but I personally lean towards letting people stay on the lower decks. Here are my suggestions:
All owners of vehicles having passengers with mobility issues and/or pets should make a note of these when making reservations so they can be directed by the toll booth to the loading lanes that lead up to the Third (or uppermost) Car Deck of the Spirit, Coastal, Coquitlam, Alberni, Oak Bay, Salish, or the New Westminster Class ferry.
If they must be sent to the closed Lower Deck, a deckhand could pull out a small blank version of a deck plan and put an "X" where the car(s) is/are and its/their make(s), license plate(s), and name(s) and either an "MOB" or "PET". During emergencies, the crew can quickly locate these permitted "stay in their car" folks for quick evacuation. Group these vehicles together in one lane. If any of these folks go topside, they'll have to ask for the deckhand with the marked layout to be escorted below.
I am all for No Smoking. It was bad down here aboard our WSF vessels before the ban. You had to hold your breath while walking though the midship smoking lounges aboard the Steel Electrics during their wooden cabin days. It's a lot better here now. It'll be a lot better in BC.
One exception is on the northern route from PHD to PRP. After passing Bella Bella, you enter a wide open area before entering the scenic narrow northern passages. Give smokers only one hour to light up at the stern in this lesser scenic area before the ferry enters the passages. The crew can bring out and remove close-able ash containers. Amtrak offers smoke stops for train passengers (might be eliminated in the future).
The mobility issue tags or pet markings is a reasonable idea but it would undoubtedly be abused by nearly everyone who wants the convenience of being able to stay in their car. Unfortunately thats the way society is in 2017...
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Post by mybidness459 on Dec 12, 2017 14:40:42 GMT -8
Look, I am a little disgusted here. I am Not a Smoker and I wish that no one smoked, I think smoking is disgusting, etc... HOWEVER!!!
I AM 100 PERCENT AGAINST this complete smoking ban. The reality is smoking is LEGAL and people have the right to smoke. You can not expect a smoker to go hours and hours without a smoke. In the Summer especially when you may have 2 or 3 or more sailing waits. You can NOT stop them from smoking or should ever have the RIGHT to force them from stop smoking in thier own Vehicles untill the Provincial and or Federal Goverment MAKES it ILLEGAL FIRST. You are now infringing on Their LEGAL RIGHT!
Now, we all can act like mature citizens and COMPROMISE! If you do not like smoking, then please stay away from the Smoking section of the vessel. I personally can tollerate the 2 seconds it takes for me to walk past the smoking section.
Untill the Goverment has the GUTS to Change the law, and make smoking illegal, (And good luck with that when they are making Pot legal) It is thier right to smoke in a designated area on the OUTSIDE deck of a ship. If I do not like second hand smoke, I have the option of avoiding that area, and can except and Tollerate that, untill the Legal LAW is changed to affect that. You do not want the smoke, talk to you MLA"S and MP"S to change the LAW first.
With all respect to all personal view points on this subject.
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Post by Neil on Dec 12, 2017 22:06:26 GMT -8
Look, I am a little disgusted here. I am Not a Smoker and I wish that no one smoked, I think smoking is disgusting, etc... HOWEVER!!!
I AM 100 PERCENT AGAINST this complete smoking ban. The reality is smoking is LEGAL and people have the right to smoke. You can not expect a smoker to go hours and hours without a smoke. In the Summer especially when you may have 2 or 3 or more sailing waits. You can NOT stop them from smoking or should ever have the RIGHT to force them from stop smoking in thier own Vehicles untill the Provincial and or Federal Goverment MAKES it ILLEGAL FIRST. You are now infringing on Their LEGAL RIGHT!
Now, we all can act like mature citizens and COMPROMISE! If you do not like smoking, then please stay away from the Smoking section of the vessel. I personally can tollerate the 2 seconds it takes for me to walk past the smoking section.
Untill the Goverment has the GUTS to Change the law, and make smoking illegal, (And good luck with that when they are making Pot legal) It is thier right to smoke in a designated area on the OUTSIDE deck of a ship. If I do not like second hand smoke, I have the option of avoiding that area, and can except and Tollerate that, untill the Legal LAW is changed to affect that. You do not want the smoke, talk to you MLA"S and MP"S to change the LAW first.
With all respect to all personal view points on this subject. I think you need to find a more worthy oppressed group to champion with your loud caps. Transportation agencies and companies are more and more leaning toward a total ban on smoking. Washington State Ferries also bans smoking on their boats. Enforcement may be an issue, but public attitudes will evolve. This isn't a human rights issue, any more than someone having the 'right' to drink on BC Ferries property, alcohol also being a legal substance.
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Post by mybidness459 on Dec 13, 2017 16:03:10 GMT -8
I wish to agree to disagree here and leave it at that.....
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Post by ts on Dec 26, 2017 14:34:37 GMT -8
We were on the Horseshoe bay/Departure bay sailing today. 100% full and stormy. Seating was inadequate because people put clothing or luggage on seats beside them so they can have a 5 seat private area. Just like the people who are not eating sitting in the restaurant. If the answer to my pet issue is use the designated pet areas can you imagine how crowded they will be! Have never had a problem about asking people to free up chairs. I have never been on one full sailing with no seat options, with a simple "i have # number of people, can you move down #" And this is route 1.
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Post by lohium on Jan 19, 2018 17:43:20 GMT -8
Tomorrow will be the last weekend of being able to smoke aboard ferries or at terminals. It's probably a good move in the long run, but it certainly feels like the end of an era. I imagine when BC Ferries first started in the 60s a significant amount of passengers smoked aboard, and I imagine they were able to so inside the passenger lounge too? Maybe one of the older members can remember, and if so when they changed it to smoking outside only. As well, riding the ferries as a kid in the 90s I seem to recall the entire outside deck being able for smoking, does anyone remember when they ended up sequestering to a small corner of each ship? I'm not a tobacco smoker myself but I'm considering getting a nice cigar to smoke on a round trip on route 1.
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Post by Neil on Jan 19, 2018 20:13:00 GMT -8
Tomorrow will be the last weekend of being able to smoke aboard ferries or at terminals. It's probably a good move in the long run, but it certainly feels like the end of an era. I imagine when BC Ferries first started in the 60s a significant amount of passengers smoked aboard, and I imagine they were able to so inside the passenger lounge too? Maybe one of the older members can remember, and if so when they changed it to smoking outside only. As well, riding the ferries as a kid in the 90s I seem to recall the entire outside deck being able for smoking, does anyone remember when they ended up sequestering to a small corner of each ship? I'm not a tobacco smoker myself but I'm considering getting a nice cigar to smoke on a round trip on route 1. Umm... why would you be thinking of doing that?
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Post by mybidness459 on Jan 20, 2018 12:32:43 GMT -8
Tomorrow will be the last weekend of being able to smoke aboard ferries or at terminals. It's probably a good move in the long run, but it certainly feels like the end of an era. I imagine when BC Ferries first started in the 60s a significant amount of passengers smoked aboard, and I imagine they were able to so inside the passenger lounge too? Maybe one of the older members can remember, and if so when they changed it to smoking outside only. As well, riding the ferries as a kid in the 90s I seem to recall the entire outside deck being able for smoking, does anyone remember when they ended up sequestering to a small corner of each ship? I'm not a tobacco smoker myself but I'm considering getting a nice cigar to smoke on a round trip on route 1. [b I remember seeing ashtrays inside the passenger cabins of the ferries. Probably going back to the late 80's or early 90's. I also recall the old coat hangers on the V/B class ships in the cafeteria.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 19, 2019 12:44:26 GMT -8
It has now been more than a full year since these rule changes were implemented. I am wondering about how members here feel about these changes given the passage of time since implementation, especially with regard to the closing of the lower car decks.
Its also interesting to read people's thoughts from back in 2011 ... ferriesbc.proboards.com/thread/8038/passengers-who-remain-cars
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Post by futureferrydriver on Apr 11, 2019 19:21:50 GMT -8
I'm a little late to the party on this one, but I almost exclusively travel on route 1 or minor routes so I haven't been on a C class since the new car deck rules came into effect...
The C class ships were all listed on the page describing which vessels are affected by the new rules, which I didn't give much thought to until recently when I was looking at pictures of the Alberni.
So the question then; how does BCF (and more importably Transport Canada) justify calling lower vehicle decks on the C class ships "closed"? My understanding of the rule was that it was imposed for emergencies when the ship needs to be evacuated, because it would be hard to get people off the vehicle decks quickly and safely. That makes total sense on the Spirits/Coastals/QoNW. With this in mind I figured that they allow people to stay on the upper car deck because it is open to the air (so in theory if the ship was being evacuated people could jump out easily?). If this is in fact the logic behind the rule then surely this should apply to the lower decks on the C class ships? Is there something I'm missing here or is enforcing the rule on the C's just a matter of consistency across the fleet?
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Post by Neil on Apr 11, 2019 19:44:48 GMT -8
I'm a little late to the party on this one, but I almost exclusively travel on route 1 or minor routes so I haven't been on a C class since the new car deck rules came into effect... The C class ships were all listed on the page describing which vessels are affected by the new rules, which I didn't give much thought to until recently when I was looking at pictures of the Alberni. So the question then; how does BCF (and more importably Transport Canada) justify calling lower vehicle decks on the C class ships "closed"? My understanding of the rule was that it was imposed for emergencies when the ship needs to be evacuated, because it would be hard to get people off the vehicle decks quickly and safely. That makes total sense on the Spirits/Coastals/QoNW. With this in mind I figured that they allow people to stay on the upper car deck because it is open to the air (so in theory if the ship was being evacuated people could jump out easily?). If this is in fact the logic behind the rule then surely this should apply to the lower decks on the C class ships? Is there something I'm missing here or is enforcing the rule on the C's just a matter of consistency across the fleet? You're not allowed to stay on the main car deck of the ' Alberni, and I assume that's the same for the other Cs. Seems consistent with the rules for other major vessels.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 10, 2020 10:26:49 GMT -8
I don’t know if this permanent for route 3. Found here.
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