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Post by Charles on Mar 23, 2024 20:57:06 GMT -8
Some weird F G# B chord to an F Minor? They need to either clean or replace the diaphragms because why does it do that? Also the Renaissance has always had the losing a tone issue, there’s gotta be a way that can be fixed because why does that happen? Also when the base note cuts out, it’s the lowest two tones of the North Island Princess!
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Post by Charles on Mar 22, 2024 19:34:21 GMT -8
I know with this specific captain, he always does. Every single time I’ve heard his voice he used the pull chord at Tsawassen.
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Post by Charles on Mar 21, 2024 21:05:47 GMT -8
Queen of New Westminster's horn now sounds in a different order with the pull cord. It plays Bb first, E second and G third now for whatever reason. Slightly odd how it changed but it hasn't lost a tone yet so...
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Post by Charles on Feb 28, 2024 21:04:26 GMT -8
wow. awesome find! thnx for sharing! getting access and heads-up to stuff like THIS is exactly why i joined this forum 1. BBF said (on the 26th), the top most deck could be crew spaces. i saw something yd, but didnt think to take a copy of it (it was on print) but, from what i saw, it mentioned many times there would be more space for crew functions. this would explain it. 2. i too am looking forward to another hybrid/ battery powered failure. personally, im sick of all this "going greener" BS. after everything is calculated, u are substituting one fossil fuel for another equally destructive fuel type. although electricty is not a fossil fuel, there are lots of studies and things on YT documenting the imputs required to manufacture these drivetrains are not one ounce better for the environment. case study: www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-dominique-spragg-electric-aviation/incandescents vs CFLs vs LEDs Any manufacturing process is "not one ounce better for the environment"...? Batteries yes are quite nasty to produce but with the amount of electricity produced by renewables in BC, removing an entire ferry's power plant is a MASSIVE amount saved, especially over time. They are workhorses, the amount they are used, they will definitely be at a discernible difference in the amount of CO2 emissions compared to straight up Diesel / LNG. Also, what do you mean by hybrid failure? None of the hybrid vessels have failed??? Personally, I'm sick of this ""going greener BS" BS". You should get properly informed on the data (not just from YouTube, someone stands to benefit from your view) before you take a very anti stance. I couldn't open your link, but LEDs have substantial longer lifespan than incandescents as well as CFLs, as well as use less energy. Even considering that however, one LED is not anywhere near comparable to the power plant of a ferry.
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2024 16:54:35 GMT -8
With their current concept design half the outside deck space is completely useless when the ferry is moving as it would be far too windy for it to be enjoyable. The Coastals and the C’s with their big solariums on each end are really well designed because they block all the wind and make it nice and warm outside. The outside spaces on the “New Major Vessel” look like they will be just like the Salishes, completely exposed to the wind and rain with no protection at all. I think you're partially wrong. Yes the forward facing areas are exposed, but the deck below the navigational deck is actually a covered promenade. You're still outside, yes it's not the same as just having a railing, I think the massive windows are unfortunate, a railing would be much nicer, but it is a covered outdoor space for the VERY few people who enjoy being outside on the ferry when it's raining because let's be real here, unless you're wearing $1000 in Arc’teryx, are a ferry fan, or just are extremely outdoorsy, you wouldn't want to be outside on the ferry at all when it's cold or raining.
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2024 16:37:04 GMT -8
Beauty is surely in the eye of the beholder ...
One gentleman on Shipspotting.com had this to say about one of our west coast classics:
Eh, I think that angle just doesn’t do them justice. Your shot of the Nanny in dogwood colours in Howe Sound should be enough to convince people of their beauty. They’re not properly indoctrinated into believing the Spaulding ferries are the best looking of their kind, unfortunately 😔.
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2024 16:29:57 GMT -8
I think this is a pretty nice design, for double enders. Someone said there was some Salish class in them, but I don't see that at all; the Salish class is too tall for their length... they look ridiculously top heavy when you look at them end on. This design is nicely proportioned, and the angled stepback of the passenger decks is sleek. Much better looking than the Coastals, particularly with the wheelhouse returned to it's proper location, on the top deck. And three decks will allow BC Ferries to easily cordon off areas not needed on light passenger sailings. I agree that the bridges are finally in the correct spot but they look too close to each other. If the forward scale deck space was smaller and passenger superstructure lengthened, there would be more passenger space that will be used more frequently (larger majority of passengers stay inside on the vessel(It is also quite cold for a lot of the year when these vessels will be in operation)). The bridges could also be further apart, meaning more outside passenger space between the bridges (assuming that is a space where passengers can be), which would also negate the need for such a defined gap between the forks. I’m assuming it’s so pronounced due to the bridges being so far back, I could be wrong though, it could just be a design style, an odd one IMO. I also don’t understand the need for the bridge connecting structure between the forks. They’re present on the Island class as well as the Malaspina Sky and Selena Queen just to name a few. Are they structural, navigational or just there for style? I’ve always wondered that. Anywho, I genuinely think the modifications I’ve suggested would be more functional and look better, I wonder what the delivered product will actually look like…
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2024 14:47:00 GMT -8
I don’t understand why the made the superstructure so much smaller, it’s such an odd look. The masts and funnels also look awful. Dreadful design, I wonder how functional they will be? You are reading far too much into concept designs. Further, the same comments could have been made in the past when we saw concept images of what the Coastal class might look like, or maybe any of the ferries before that ... Maybe yes, but why pay for such a high quality render if it’s not what they’re planning on building? I think that this design is pretty close to what is planned. The Coastal designs back in the day also were much more conventional, and pretty true to the actual built ships… Of course, this is all subjective. The funnels are hideous but if they’re more practical it only makes sense that they’d do that. I like the idea of the promenade deck but wish it wasn’t fully covered, a window in the wall of windows would be nice, as well as wind breaks at either end of the promenade so that it’s not freezing to walk through when it’s cold. The large forward scale I still think is odd, why so much real estate for outer deck space when most of the double ended ferries we have now need more interior passenger deck space… At least there is space properly considered for outer deck areas. Also the top navigational deck, I wonder if that will be accessible by passengers (the deck area not the bridge of course)? Also I did notice the pods for propulsion (forgot to mention it). I wouldn’t say they’re completely proven in the sense that the Coastal’s design was relatively without issue until the past few years but hopefully they will prove reliable!
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Post by Charles on Feb 26, 2024 20:25:05 GMT -8
I don’t understand why the made the superstructure so much smaller, it’s such an odd look. The masts and funnels also look awful. Dreadful design, I wonder how functional they will be?
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Post by Charles on Jan 20, 2024 17:59:13 GMT -8
I think the reason the smaller double ended ferries can go through Active Pass perfectly fine is because they are much smaller and slower. A “Jumbo Salish” would have to be bigger and faster to work on route 1, so it would probably have similar problems as the large double enders. You are probably right ... Does the fact that they are double ended have that big of a determining statement that they cannot go through the pass? Scale up the Salish Class, sure you could do that, but why? Why not just use the propulsion system from the Salish Class? If the Coastal Class had Azipods and a similar Generator / Main Engine set up to the Salish class, could the new class of ships not just be a Coastal 2.0? Also, the Coastal Class have been proven for just over a decade. Obviously the exact parts they used have not faired well, but who’s saying that the Salish Class won’t have a similar issue? Maybe the C Class have been ruled out of Active Pass, but aren’t they banned from Active Pass for more pragmatic reasons than actually being unable to go through the pass? The design of the C Class was not optimized properly for Active Pass, sure, but they still did it after the Alberni was grounded, am I correct? I’m just confused in the sense that there’s a rhetoric being repeated that the C Class cannot go through Active Pass due to fundamental issues with the vessels design, and now the Super C’s are being added to it. I’m not saying that the events that have occurred are completely erroneous, BCFerries definitely made changes to procedure after the Alberni’s grounding, but everything after that I don’t think leads to a conclusion that double ended ferries are just unusable (at least up to a certain point) in Active Pass. To me, this seems like either circumstance that these parts are failing, because every single vessel has parts that are failing (and for a major part of their careers, they are not on Route 1, so I don’t think it’s logical to assume that Route 1 is a “double ender killer”), meaning the parts selected had faults in them, OR there is a fundamental issue with the way the ships are designed, putting stresses on parts in ways that weren’t envisioned and need to be accounted for in a future design, meaning that no, double ended ferries are still usable in Active Pass, but maybe not the ones we currently have. I still find that to be troubling though, every single Super C has had issues, some common some not, so how could it be that purely Route 1 is this killer? I want to reiterate, I could see the point that no matter what, they all served on Route 1, and that there is a correlation, but that just doesn’t make sense logically? The Super C’s all had these issues happen within a very short time frame, so with A TON more hours on Route 1, the Coastal Celebration lasted a lot longer on the route before it had similar issues to its sisters. In my opinion, it just comes down to common parts shared between the vessels that are clearly faulty and need replacing, similar to how car X (Assuming car x has a known common fault) will at some point, have that fault. It may take longer, it might come sooner, but it will surely have that fault. Who knows though, I’m not in a position to say what’s what, that’s just my TedTalk of a thought process when it’s come to these boats.
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Post by Charles on Jan 3, 2024 20:09:38 GMT -8
Maybe it means we need more bespoke single ended vessels built for route one . Maybe a modern interpretation of the Spirit's 🤩. Ollie is right however, the Inspiration has been using one end only and has been avoiding active pass all day.
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Post by Charles on Jan 3, 2024 16:10:50 GMT -8
The Inspiration is over an hour late for her 3pm departure from Tsawassen, the SOBC is moored at berth 4 and berth 1 and 2 are busy. Do the spirits ever dock in Berth 3, because the SOVI might have to if the Inspiration is delayed much longer.
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Post by Charles on Dec 13, 2023 8:28:33 GMT -8
On the website it isn’t listed but it is still a purchasable product! I called one of their reps years ago when I first got obsessed and they are still very much able to be ordered. I think like some other members on the forum have said, BCFerries probably has no personnel who know how to tune a whistle, who knows if they’re even able to anymore, it’s a similar product to the old Airchimes but Kahlenberg might not even make them with that ability anymore.
I think it’s just down to however they’re cast, if they’re cast slightly longer then they’ll sound as they do. It is weird however how the Inspiration’s shifted, not as drastic as the New West’s old Airchimes but obviously the diaphragm alters and ages and that changes its tune. With different diaphragms maybe they’d sound an E Major or an Eb Major, but from the factory it seems like they’re tuned to a E Dim.
I think with a KM 135 they’d sound very different. Watch this video for how a 135 sounds
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Post by Charles on Dec 12, 2023 22:47:32 GMT -8
You can still order KM 200’s, a 135 would be too low of a frequency, I doubt it is one.
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Post by Charles on Dec 11, 2023 23:12:50 GMT -8
I wonder if the original unit was unable to be separated or something odd, it’s weird they replaced all of them. Also now I wonder what they’re using to sound them individually? It doesn’t sound like a pullcord just because of how perfectly they sound every time, it’s not gradual it’s just off and on. Also why are they unable to produce a whistle that sounds a major chord anymore?
Did you notice anything different from her refit inside? I find it weird that they didn’t paint the railing in front of the bridge, very odd…
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Post by Charles on Dec 11, 2023 20:12:12 GMT -8
I just heard her new horn... it sounds awful... Do you have a video of it?
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Post by Charles on Nov 18, 2023 20:57:38 GMT -8
The New West just over halfway through her life extension refit. Some new changes to the exterior....and even a new voice! Haven't heard the new whistle yet, but I suspect it might be a sound we've heard before from a sister ship... Ferryman, do you know what work the life extension refit constitutes for the New West? The whistle looks like they were sandblasted or just unpainted. Would they have sent the Burnaby’s set to get repaired? What old three tone whistle sets would they have just lying around, (Don’t know what happened to the Vancouver’s, I know they were removed, the Burnaby’s were removed, the Nanaimo’s are not in BCFerries possession anymore, I don’t know what happened to the Victoria’s or the Prince Rupert’s). I wonder if there’s a chance they’re new and just unpainted? Speaking of paint, I wonder if she will get a fresh coat of paint or an acid wash?
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2023 9:56:47 GMT -8
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Post by Charles on Oct 15, 2023 16:42:02 GMT -8
Here are some Coastal Inspiration horns I recorded today. I don't know how it is supposed to sound like but this is what it sounds like right now. Each time the horn sounds slightly different, I think it's quite interesting. Have you heard the other end yet?
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Post by Charles on Aug 2, 2023 6:40:07 GMT -8
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Post by Charles on Aug 2, 2023 6:38:43 GMT -8
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Post by Charles on Jul 30, 2023 10:43:12 GMT -8
Coastal Renaissance is having engine issues and is cancelling at least one round trip today. Yikes!! The following Coastal Renaissance sailings have been cancelled for today, Friday, July 28, due to a mechanical difficulty with the ship's main engine. Cancelled Sailings: 3:15 pm departing Tsawwassen (Vancouver) 5:45 pm departing Duke Point (Nanaimo) While our team works hard to investigate the problem with the ship's main engine, the following sailings are also at risk of cancellation: 8:15 pm departing Tsawwassen (Vancouver) 10:45 pm departing Duke Point (Nanaimo) www.bcferries.com/current-conditions/service-notices?serviceNoticeCode=8801500671752&subscriptionRoute=TSA-DUKDoes anyone know if the Coastals have some resiliency to engine-related cancellations due to being diesel-electric? They typically only run 3 of the 4 main engines (you can easily see this if you are on one, or on another ferry in an adjacent berth, only 3 main exhaust stacks have exhaust coming out). I’m curious to know if they are allowed to sail with one engine completely out of service for repairs. I see to recall reading about this somewhere, though I can’t find it on the forum or otherwise. I seem to remember reading that they need 3 engines online for safe docking or safe transit of active pass, but can otherwise sail with 2 unless they need extra speed, which makes sense. Don’t take my word on this though, as I can’t remember if I heard the is somewhere or I’m just recalling my own speculations! This may not, however, be related to last week’s cancellations. Perhaps it was a drive motor issue instead. The service notices don’t give (enough) detail on the mechanical issues and usually seem to be written by someone who has little or no understanding of the mechanical workings of a ship. Ferryman commented on this in the Celebration's thread, I believe the answer is no as they need at least 3 "prime movers" working at anytime. If they don't have their reserve engine then they put the entire vessel at risk in the unlikely scenario one engine fails...
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Post by Charles on Jul 2, 2023 21:37:17 GMT -8
The Celebration just went through Active Pass and should be continuing sea trials throughout the night!
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Post by Charles on Jun 1, 2023 5:56:19 GMT -8
Just something I’ve found interesting for a while now, the only set of whistles that I can remember have had a tail are the Queen of Vancouver’s and I’ve always wondered why. Kahlenberg says you can get a “tail” (the whistle still sounding after the lever or cord has been released) from the length of tubing being too long but I don’t know if she always had that issue…
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Post by Charles on May 19, 2023 18:02:20 GMT -8
From September 1992 I have a scratchy video of V's in Active Pass, complete with ships' horn. While the rest of you were riding on the CR's first official in-service voyage I was with a friend attempting to get a decent digitized copy from my old 8 mm videos. Unfortunately the machine in use to play back the video has some issues, and I need to try another one with the intension of getting a better copy... Later! WettCoast, in the other thread you said you would make an attempt to fix the links that no longer work, could you try for this one? I love old ferry videos!
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