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Post by Dane on Sept 13, 2007 22:03:26 GMT -8
Is it normal practice for BCFS's to give the public 2 days notice of their AGM, and tell them, 'oh, by the way, its in Powell River'? It would seem reasonable to me that several months notice should be given for such an event. In BCFS's partial defence, they did start advertising about 6 months ago, and there were a few newspaper ads as well, which I believe are actually required by law (?) That said, the ads were quite some time ago, and I hadn't seen anything recently at all.
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 13, 2007 22:35:11 GMT -8
The cost of the Queen of New Westminsters upgrade continues to baffle my mind. Keep in mind that her older and younger sister, the 'Nanaimo ($9 million) and Burnaby ($3 million) cost no where near as much for the Coastalization of the interior.
The one thing I could see eating up most of that $46 million, is a possible enclosure of the Solariums for more passenger seating space. Her current set of engines are only 17 years old, so if anything happens below the Main car deck, it will just be a major overhaul everything to keep it going I'd imagine.
I can also recall there being alot of "patchup" work on the outer decks, as there is a layer of thinset cement on top of the Steel plates, as is on the V-Class. If I'm not mistaken, the 'Burnaby and 'Nanaimo had the layer of thinset cement removed 2 years ago, from my personal observation while travelling aboard those ships. What purpose does the cement on the outer decks serve anyways? On Appartment Buildings they put a 2 inch layer of cement on top of the plywood floor, to cover up small water pipes, while acting as a sound barrier. I can't see this being a similar situation on board the Ferries, unless it was done on the interior floors.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 13, 2007 22:55:10 GMT -8
Perhaps the upgrade includes the installation of ramps on the main car deck?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 13, 2007 23:00:46 GMT -8
Jim, that is a very educated guess but it is very questionable and skeptical in the means to the question why? I would never think of that but then you can put into question why would you spend so much on a vessel than just get the Coastalization done and do everything else (such as some better TLC unlike the Esquimalt PFFT!)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 14, 2007 4:25:22 GMT -8
Is it normal practice for BCFS's to give the public 2 days notice of their AGM, and tell them, 'oh, by the way, its in Powell River'? It would seem reasonable to me that several months notice should be given for such an event. I heard about the Powell River AGM a few weeks ago. Sorry, I can't recall the source right now, but it wasn't just 2 days for me. I must have seen something else from the BCFS website or a newspaper, instead of just the Sept.11 website notice. Because I recall discussing it with Graham (Retro) on Aug.25 while on a ferry trip....
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 14, 2007 6:17:13 GMT -8
Like Flug I heard about the annual meeting a while back.. There was a slim chance of me taking a trip to BC and I had wondered if the timing could coincide. Thanks for the report Curtis. Hopefully someone video'd it like the last one and we will find it on YouTube.
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Post by Curtis on Sept 14, 2007 6:59:58 GMT -8
The notice of the Annual Meeting Being in Powell River has been on the Front Page of BC Ferries.com for the Last Month. It was just taken down sometime last night.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 14, 2007 8:05:36 GMT -8
I see Hahn is still going on about the Queen of Tsawwassen being shipped out... I wonder if he's told himself when yet, since the Tsawwassen is supposed to be filling in around end of Nov. - early December.
Also, is there any guess when the HSQ will be refitted... I might want to catch a trip on her, just for old times' sake. I remember taking her quite often to Bowen Island when she was the regular on that run, and despite it's somewhat shabby appearance, that old lounge was a welcome respite on a wet and rainy crossing.
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Post by Christina Montgomery on Sept 14, 2007 16:05:01 GMT -8
My apologies for leaping in to your discussion, this is a note for the poster known as YVR. I'm Christina Montgomery, and I believe I'm the Province reporter you mentioned. Could you drop me a note to cmontgomery@png.canwest.com? I have a question about SOLAS I'd like to ask without interrupting the board's flow, if you wouldn't mind. Many thanks, and my apologies to the rest of you enormously fascinating ferry fans. Chris
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Post by Nick on Sept 14, 2007 16:56:39 GMT -8
the howe sound queen is going in sometime in the next 2 months. I'll try to find out the exact date.
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Post by Neil on Sept 14, 2007 23:14:32 GMT -8
In yvr's post regarding the Flensburger spec sheet on the Coastal Renaissance, he mentioned that the classification did not say anything about SOLAS. If you look at the spec sheet for the new northern ferry, you see that it also does not mention SOLAS, and yet, when you consult this document... www.bcferries.com/about/public_consult/bcf_pubs/docs/publications/Minutes_-_July24_2006_with_presentation.pdf...you see that it is fully SOLAS compliant. In that document, there is also mention of the Coastals being SOLAS compliant in at least one area. I don't believe that non-international vessels in sheltered waters are held to the same SOLAS standards as long haul, international vessels although those standards are changing, with Irish domestic vessels, for instance, being more compliant by March of 2008. I would wager that the Coastals adhere to all the applicable IMO/ SOLAS regulations they need to in order to attain the best insurance rates. I find it hard to understand how Ms. Montgomery couldn't find a source within BC Ferries to confirm this.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 15, 2007 18:29:21 GMT -8
yvr: Your posts, or anybody else's posts on this forum, have absolutely no effect on the subsidy BC Ferries gets. Don't flatter yourself. And the press has no effect on democracy, sure, Neil. I might agree with you in effect about this, but would never about encouraging people to not express their concerns in such a blatant way, making a point or not. Sure, our provincial government has a strangle hold on most such things these days, but that is no reason to discourage dissent in such a way, even if you are just being frank.
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Post by Neil on Sept 15, 2007 18:50:01 GMT -8
My remark had absolutely nothing to do with encouraging or discouraging dissent. It had to do with being realistic about the fact that the Liberal government could not care less about what a few ferry fans have to say on an internet forum, and that yvr should not kid himself about a remark here having the slightest effect on the setting of subsidies.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 16, 2007 11:23:13 GMT -8
My apologies for leaping in to your discussion, this is a note for the poster known as YVR. ...... Many thanks, and my apologies to the rest of you enormously fascinating ferry fans. Chris oooops: by using the words " rest of", the poster is implying that the subject (ie. "YVR") is a "ferry fan". I don't really care about someone calling YVR a ferry-fan, but I'm sure that Mr. YVR himself is insulted at such a label.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 20, 2007 18:07:10 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 20, 2007 19:38:33 GMT -8
It's always been frustrating how oblivious to their power over such matters the electorate of BC is to most with half a brain for politics, but unfortunately it's a fact. If change in what the province has made BC Ferries into depends on political will and is reliant on the effort of the average British Columbian to force their hand, nothing will ever be different until a change in the tide of overall sentiment occurs, and you can bet that with boons such as the Olympics and road building of the Gateway project, the tides will be going the same way only gaining momentum for a long time; this is especially evident if you look at recent opinion polls of the BC NDP vs. the BC (so-called) "Liberal" party.
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