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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 13, 2007 20:48:05 GMT -8
We all know that the Queen of Alberni has a shower installed on the main passenger deck, but here's a news story about a possibly different type of shower on the other route-30 ship: ===================== www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=abd15ec6-7717-4e50-9e39-485e4b36ea9aDriver of urine 'soaked' car wants BC Ferries to face faultStaff will investigate but claim fluid that dripped from pipe into the car parked on the ferry's deck was salt water CanWest News Service Saturday, October 13, 2007 A Port Alberni man is raising a stink about how BC Ferries handled a complaint about sewage dripping onto his car aboard the Queen of New Westminster. Jamie Donovan and a friend were leaving Duke Point on July 17 for a trip to Banff when he parked his new car, a 2007 Chevrolet Cobalt, with the sunroof open on the car deck. He went upstairs to the passenger deck and returned partway through the voyage to see fluid had dripped from an overhead pipe onto his and nearby vehicles. "You could just smell the urine -- it just smelled sickening," said Donovan Friday. His car's interior was "soaked" with the fluid, he said. He was told by a crew member the fluid was salt water, but he took photos of an overhead pipe, where the fluid seemed to originate, that was labelled in red ink as "ladies main washroom." Donovan said the fluid, and now his car, both smelled like urine. The second officer attended the scene and helped Donovan fill out a claim form for damage. Despite cleaning, the smell in the car has lingered. Donovan appealed to BC Ferries to pay for a cleanup but despite assurances by the second officer on the ferry, nothing has been done. "They still insist that it's salt water," said Donovan. On Friday, BC Ferries spokesman Mark Stephanson checked into the issue and said the fluid was "definitely" salt water. But a claims adjuster has been assigned to investigate Donovan's claim "and if his car does need to be professionally cleaned, then we'll take appropriate action," Stephanson said. © The Vancouver Sun 2007 ==================== |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 13, 2007 20:58:17 GMT -8
A pee-smelling Cobalt in Port Alberni? Likely not the first......
Where do we(e) start with this story? Firstly, I did want to add the word "Golden" to the thread title, but thought that might be a bit riske, so I chickened out.
No word on whether the incident happened at the "#1" end of the car deck, or not.
Also no word on how the Ferry Company analysed the substance to determine that it was salt water.
(and I don't think we have any other existing threads on "dripping-pee-on-car-deck", so I thought it was ok to start one for this story. We can use it for other similar stories too, as you never know what might happen in the future. ;D )
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Oh, I just thought of another angle to the story:
I guess this means that the QNW will be a suitable vessel for Route #1, which is where she's headed next year............. ;D
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Post by Neil on Oct 13, 2007 21:57:44 GMT -8
Pee... sea water.... yeah, they smell exactly the same. Quick thinking, Mark.
I guess we could use a general "gross stuff that happens on ferries" thread. Like, it used to be a regular thing on route 30 to have trucks transporting live pigs, which of course gave the entire car deck a lovely aroma, and went down well following a bacon and eggs breakfast. Have I just been lucky on recent trips, or did BC Ferries send all the pork traffic to Seaspan?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 13, 2007 22:00:32 GMT -8
I just got one question. Why even leave your sunroof open on your car if you aren't in it?
Obviously the New West needs a refit but if she is in that bad of shape and nothing will be done to fix the problem, her age is showing.
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 13, 2007 22:11:53 GMT -8
Salt water on a ferry? No, never!  |
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Post by Mirrlees on Oct 13, 2007 23:02:14 GMT -8
Maybe sometime during the voyage they should turn on the fire sprinklers to wash everything down.  Or, A sign saying, You Already Know What's Coming Down This Pipe.  |
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Post by Hardy on Oct 14, 2007 7:43:05 GMT -8
Responding to Neil's comments about the pigs (and livestock in general). They don't haul nearly as much livestock as before due mainly to the increased bio-security requirements following the mad-cow, avian flu etc. Livestock haulers used to have to try to mitigate the "fall out" damage from their cargo with drop sheets, or containment skirts or the like. You still see the occasional trailer of cattle, in addition to horse trailers (quite common).
I do remember in the past, on Rte-30, that there was one sailing where there was a foul spill/mess - there was an annoucement to all drivers on the lower car deck to ensure that their windows and all were closed up, and they did "wash down" the MCD before we made port at Duke. I am not sure if they used hoses or if they used the deluge system to accomplish this. I would guess that they hosed the deck down, as there may have been some "open top" units such as uncovered pickups or some flat decks, china tops or something else. They may have done this in port after all the vehicles were offloaded if there was still any manure remaining. (personally they should have bundled it up and shipped it to Fort Street).
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Post by Curtis on Oct 14, 2007 9:48:38 GMT -8
I think both sides are to blame, the Port Alberni Man For Leaving His Sun-Roof open leaving it easily open to thieves, and BC Ferries for not maintaining their ships so stuff like this doesn't happen.
I can see what happened after that, either they left it the way it was or they covered it with everybody's favorite Mr. Fix-It, Duct Tape! Or whatever they use to fix things like that.
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Post by FerryFrump on Oct 14, 2007 12:36:38 GMT -8
The port Alberni man is no way at fault. It's his choice to leave his sunroof open. If BC Ferries has faulty pipes etc that damage someone elses property than that is 100% there problem.
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Post by Scott on Oct 14, 2007 12:52:19 GMT -8
It was July and he had his sunroof open - so I'm assuming the salt water didn't come from outside (ie. from heavy seas). I'm very interested in why there would be salt-water pipes above the main car deck. I'm quite sure the plumbing on the ship is all fresh water... and if there is any salt-water plumbing, it would be soley for engine cooling which would be below the car deck and not dripping through his sunroof. So I'd say BC Ferries is pretty much 100% to blame ... and unless someone who knows more about ferries than I do can tell me why there would be salt water dripping from the roof, I'd say BC Ferries is lying.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Oct 14, 2007 13:07:58 GMT -8
Salt water is piped throughout the ship for firefighting applications as well as for use in the toilets.
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Post by Nick on Oct 14, 2007 13:42:45 GMT -8
Yes, all fire hydrants and deluge systems use salt water. (imagine trying to fight a fire with what water you have in a fresh water tank)
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Post by Scott on Oct 14, 2007 20:28:02 GMT -8
Okay, makes sense. The toilets really run with salt water? Isn't that kinda corrosive. If so, I guess BC Ferries could be telling the truth.. half the truth. Maybe it was urine and salt water!
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Post by Balfour on Oct 14, 2007 20:37:30 GMT -8
Double the corrosiveness. No wonder there are holes in the piping...
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Post by Hardy on Oct 19, 2007 18:02:06 GMT -8
Okay, makes sense. The toilets really run with salt water? Isn't that kinda corrosive. If so, I guess BC Ferries could be telling the truth.. half the truth. Maybe it was urine and salt water! As with the firefighting and deluge system, why would you be drawing from a limited onboard supply of potable fresh water for simple FLUSHING operations? One can assume that toilets, deluge, firefighting and general washdown water are all drawn from whatever body of water the vessel is currently in; that being said, I would imagine that were the holding tanks for this water be empty or at a specified "low water mark" that water would be drawn from the fresh/potable water, at least in the case of the firefighting and deluge systems. Drinking, food prep, food equip washing, hand washing water would all necessarily be POTABLE ... any other should suffice being salt/sea/whatever water. |
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Post by Dane on Oct 19, 2007 22:55:38 GMT -8
Is the New West getting a Buffet?
It would be the odd one out (beffetless) under the new vessel placements.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 20, 2007 7:55:27 GMT -8
As with the firefighting and deluge system, why would you be drawing from a limited onboard supply of potable fresh water for simple FLUSHING operations? Because some sewage processing plants can't handle salt water input? Don't ask me why, but Anacortes' can't. Consequently, when the Hyak or Yakima worked up here several years ago (before refits), the sewage was trucked off the boat because of the saltwater flushing system. I'm assuming that your boats don't dump their sewage directly overboard ... |
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 20, 2007 13:29:19 GMT -8
I'm assuming that your boats don't dump their sewage directly overboard ... The ' Tsawwassen, for example, does dump sewage overboard, hence the closure of the porcelain facilities well before and after docking. |
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Post by Nick on Oct 20, 2007 15:59:38 GMT -8
To my knowledge, the Tsawwassen is the only vessel that dumps sewage directly overboard. The only reason it still does is because an exception was made due to it's impending retirement. All the other vessels have some form of sewage treatment, or the sewage is pumped ashore.
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Post by kylefossett on Oct 21, 2007 12:55:01 GMT -8
Is the New West getting a Buffet? It would be the odd one out (beffetless) under the new vessel placements. no other v-class has a buffet. why would the new west get one? |
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 21, 2007 14:07:11 GMT -8
Is the New West getting a Buffet? It would be the odd one out (beffetless) under the new vessel placements. no other v-class has a buffet. why would the new west get one? No other member who parrots the company line so much seems to have such a chip on his shoulder. Why do you? Such sarcastic and childish nitpicking is neither useful or welcome here; please think before you post and atleast attempt to include some semblance of worthwhile substance in your contributions. As for your question, how can you even attempt to compare a vessel slated for a $50 million upgrade and sisters that have no destiny with the company other than retirement? |
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Post by Neil on Oct 21, 2007 14:39:56 GMT -8
No other member who parrots the company line so much seems to have such a chip on his shoulder. Why do you? Such sarcastic and childish nitpicking is neither useful or welcome here; please think before you post and atleast attempt to include some semblance of worthwhile substance in your contributions. That is rude, and completely uncalled for. You are way out of line. |
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 21, 2007 14:46:40 GMT -8
No other member who parrots the company line so much seems to have such a chip on his shoulder. Why do you? Such sarcastic and childish nitpicking is neither useful or welcome here; please think before you post and atleast attempt to include some semblance of worthwhile substance in your contributions. That is rude, and completely uncalled for. You are way out of line. You've so justly explained yourself When did "parrot" become a dirty word? ( www.thefreedictionary.com/parrot ) Last time that I checked it was sufficient to describe repeating, supported in this case by what the record has shown; it is undeniable that the member kyle fossett has often repeated exactly what the company has stated, word for word. Now you have me confused, but thanks for your well thought-out explainaition. Sarcasm intended. I was attempting to discourage the same kind of rudeness that you are accusing me of using. How is kyle fossett being less rude than you accuse me of being? I find your unsupported outburst insulting, if only for its arrogance to not offer justification. |
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Post by Neil on Oct 21, 2007 15:41:50 GMT -8
You know perfectly well that 'parroting' implies mindless repeating. Kyle asked a question which you didn't happen to like, and you replied by repeating the insult that you kindly inserted into his 'birthday greeting', and followed it by telling him that he had a 'chip on his shoulder' (guess he's the only one, eh?), that he was childish, and that his posts were bereft of worthwhile substance. Again, rude and uncalled for. If you disagree with his attitude toward BC Ferries, it's far more productive to deal with the issues rather than resort to insults.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 21, 2007 15:58:17 GMT -8
Just got a few questions. Why would it be an insult saying something lacks content when it does? How is it insulting when it is clearly seen? What issues are there to deal with besides the bickering? Why make a mountain out a molehill?
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