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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 3, 2007 5:50:36 GMT -8
Over reaction by BCF. If they respond like this to every single person who gets frustrated and angry expect this to happen weekly if not daily in the future. ....so you're saying that we live in a society-of-morons, where people think that it's ok to make off-hand remarks about bombing ferries? Are there still similar morons who don't yet understand that you also can't joke about those things at airports?
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 3, 2007 7:55:35 GMT -8
Over reaction by BCF. If they respond like this to every single person who gets frustrated and angry expect this to happen weekly if not daily in the future. ....so you're saying that we live in a society-of-morons, where people think that it's ok to make off-hand remarks about bombing ferries? Are there still similar morons who don't yet understand that you also can't joke about those things at airports? This should be, and is, ingrained in our society to the point that if not by other means you're taught it by your parents the first time you even visit an airport let alone take a flight, or through some other similar guiding resource, possibly later in life, in our melting pot society. There are unwritten lines in the sand in a society; there might not be a sign for everything but many things just aren't done. There isn't a sign that says 'no spitting' on, say, transit buses, but we know that it isn't acceptable; the list goes on. There's freedom of speech and then there's lack of common sense, and it's insulting to associate the two no differently than it would be to use entrenched rights like our freedom of speech to argue for so many other culturaly unaccepted notions.
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Post by ferryrider42 on Dec 3, 2007 9:38:29 GMT -8
Man arrested over bomb threat at Tsawwassen ferry terminal Lindsay Kines, Times Colonist Published: Monday, December 03, 2007
Police evacuated the B.C. Ferries terminal at Tsawwassen Sunday and arrested a 32-year-old foot-passenger who was overheard saying that he was going to set off a bomb on the Spirit of Vancouver.
Bomb-sniffing dogs from the Delta police and RCMP swept the terminal, but failed to locate any explosives. Ferry service resumed after a brief delay.
It's the third time this year that B.C. Ferries has been the target of a threat, and the company is threatening possible legal action in the latest incident.
When we have bomb threats like this, we take them all very seriously," B.C. Ferries spokesman Mark Stefanson said. "If they turn out to be hoaxes, then we may have to proceed with lawsuits, because people need to realize that making threats is very serious and it causes major problems to the traveling public."
Delta police said in a news release that the incident happened just before 5 p.m. when other passengers overheard the man "saying he was going to set a bomb off on the Spirit of Vancouver."
The passengers alerted staff and security detained the man until Delta police arrived to arrest the man and secure his luggage. In addition to calling in the dog units, Delta police also contacted Sidney RCMP and requested they use bomb dogs to search the Spirit of Vancouver when it arrived at Swartz Bay.
"It appears to be a hoax at this stage," Stefanson said. "They did a sweep. There was nothing found."
But Stefanson said the threat prevented the Queen of Saanich from Swartz Bay and the Queen of Coquitlam from Duke Point from docking at Tsawwassen.
The delay lasted about 20 minutes, he said. Later in the evening, ferries were running about an hour behind schedule.
"Obviously anytime there's a delay it can frustrate the travelling public," Stefanson said. "Trying to be humorous, funny or just acting stupid can result in serious consequences whether it's a hoax or not."
Earlier this year, a Nanaimo man who threatened to send a letter bomb to B.C. Ferries was barred indefinitely from travelling on the fleet. That incident also happened at Tsawwassen where the man got in an argument with a ticket agent over service and the state of the terminal.
On July 28, another bomb threat was made against B.C. Ferries that halted ferry traffic for five hours and delayed thousands of passengers. Delta police ordered a forensic analysis of the tape containing the telephoned bomb threat.
© Times Colonist 2007
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 3, 2007 10:08:01 GMT -8
....so you're saying that we live in a society-of-morons, where people think that it's ok to make off-hand remarks about bombing ferries? Are there still similar morons who don't yet understand that you also can't joke about those things at airports? This should be, and is, ingrained in our society to the point that if not by other means you're taught it by your parents the first time you even visit an airport let alone take a flight, or through some other similar guiding resource, possibly later in life, in our melting pot society. There are unwritten lines in the sand in a society; there might not be a sign for everything but many things just aren't done. There isn't a sign that says 'no spitting' on, say, transit buses, but we know that it isn't acceptable; the list goes on. There's freedom of speech and then there's lack of common sense, and it's insulting to associate the two no differently than it would be to use entrenched rights like our freedom of speech to argue for so many other culturaly unaccepted notions. Woah, Graham... your faith in people actually having common sense is commendable. The sad thing is these days, it is more often the case that common sense means the opposite of what it says in that it is only possessed by a very small fraction of the population, and people haven't taught their children these proper social etiquettes... At least a lot of members of the preceding generation seem to have missed this point, but now I see a lot of young parents are realizing that their parents sort of forgot to teach them some things and they're now trying to figure out how to instill the things that they missed in their own children, so lets hope that future generations can turn back the tide and hopefully bring back common sense from where it is poised on the brink of destruction. But anyway, whether they are dealing with morons or not, the police still have to take every situation seriously, so if someone says they have a bomb in their bag, the only way to be able to know for sure is to be able to check the bag, and since they can't fight what they can't see until they've seen it, they have to take all necessary precautions, including closing down the ferries. In this case, the police did use common sense, the moron who made the threat obviously didn't.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 3, 2007 12:35:45 GMT -8
The media seems to know more about this Spirit of Vancouver than we do. Sorry to bump this, but cadmunkey, its Global, your fantasy news headquarters Biggest affiliate of News Corporation. (being sarcastic).
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Post by Scott on Dec 3, 2007 17:23:25 GMT -8
Heard on CKNW this evening that BC Ferries was considering a lawsuit against the guy who made the threat for loss of business. I guess if the justice system won't deter these kind of things, perhaps the threat of a lawsuit might smarten people up. They probably aren't thinking about that when they're angry.
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Post by Mac Write on Dec 3, 2007 19:41:57 GMT -8
The more I think about it, they could handle it different, not disrupt service. It seems all these incidents are just people who are really angry and not thinking straight. I have a feeling the lawsuite will fail as there will be no hard evidence he said he wanted to blow up the ferry. I bet he was angry and just talking to a friend or something and overheard. I doubt he was yelling it at the top of his lungs for all to here. I will reserve my judgment until I see all the hard facts and not just peoples opinions. You are innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 3, 2007 21:12:18 GMT -8
The more I think about it, they could handle it different, not disrupt service. This call lies on the shoulders of the Delta Police Department, and similar calls always do. If the company feels concerned beyond a certain threshold they are required to report this to the local authorities. Especially in this day and age, the DPD cannot be blamed for taking such drastic measures, this then becomes a debate of factors and blame well beyond the company or the police.
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Post by Dane on Dec 3, 2007 22:47:48 GMT -8
The more I think about it, they could handle it different, not disrupt service. It seems all these incidents are just people who are really angry and not thinking straight. I have a feeling the lawsuite will fail as there will be no hard evidence he said he wanted to blow up the ferry. I bet he was angry and just talking to a friend or something and overheard. I doubt he was yelling it at the top of his lungs for all to here. I will reserve my judgment until I see all the hard facts and not just peoples opinions. You are innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. You're confusing criminal and civil law. I think a law suit is a tremendous idea, and does have a lot of past examples in Canada. All BC Ferries will have to demonstrate on a balance of probabilities is that the guy meant to cause havoc, or should have known that his actions could cause a disruption. It would be a fairly fast case. Edited with the correct comments of Ferryrider42
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Post by ferryrider42 on Dec 3, 2007 23:01:57 GMT -8
Whoops, you might be getting your bomb scares mixed up Dane. I believe this time around there was no phone call. All the media reports seem to suggest the customer was 'overhead' saying the threating comments.
I believe the recorded phone conversation you are making reference to was from the previous disruption some months ago. Even so, your point still seems valid. The media reports mention that a number of people heard the comment.
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Post by Neil on Dec 4, 2007 9:49:10 GMT -8
Bomb threats have to be taken seriously, at airports or at ferry terminals. Whether someone is angry, or joking around, and whether they're yelling or speaking quietly into a cell phone, is irrelevant- it's become a universal given that you never, ever make references to bombs on air travel, and we need to have the same understanding with ferry travel.
BC Ferries successfully sued the moron who jumped off a boat near Mayne Island to get to a baseball game. Hopefully, Delta police will charge and successfully prosecute this latest dolt, and hopefully BC Ferries will also successfully sue him and hurt him in a way even someone with his limited intelligence will understand. Whether it sends a message to likeminded twits might depend on if they're bright enough to be able to read a newspaper.
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Post by ferryes on Dec 15, 2007 16:35:56 GMT -8
i know this has happened some time ago but i was on the 5pm SOBC back to Tsawwassen, when the captain announced they conèt dock because of the bomb threat, people thought that the there really was a bomb, and that it was on the ship.What was lucky is that my dad took the day off, when he was supposed to work that day!After the police left, everyone cheered, but 1 guy got mad that the ferry company did not react right away, which they did, the crew was calming people down for a long time...1 person ALMOST commited suicide.. well thats my scoop of the day.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 16, 2007 13:21:45 GMT -8
I was on the 5pm sailing to Tsawwassen that night. Everything was fine. People dident seem to be too worried. They said it was a POLICE INCIDENT at the terminal, and it wasent on the ship!
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 16, 2007 16:43:03 GMT -8
I am getting worried here. We have one person almost commiting suicide on board the SOBC because of a bomb threat, then i read in another thread somebody wanted to commit suicide on the seabus when there was a little fire issue last week. Also, how do you almost commited suicide. Is it different then attempting to commit suicide
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Post by Scott on Dec 16, 2007 17:51:34 GMT -8
Yeah, we're aware of this poster who has "contributed" under at least 2 names over the past few days and I'm pretty certain his "scoops" are a figment of his pre-teen imagination.
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