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Post by Ferryman on Mar 1, 2008 9:57:27 GMT -8
My assumption is that her being on route 30 is that she can no longer handle running full time anymore. Really, there wouldn't be anymore need for her once the Coastal Inspiration is running. They will both allow the gaps from the Queen of New Westminster and the Queen of Esquimalt to be filled in with other vessels. So in conclusion, the Queen of Esquimalt is in really rough shape right now, and BC Ferries doesn't want to invest anymore money on her to keep her running. She is not sold yet, BC Ferries is still only accepting bids. Technically, she's supposed to be kept running until the end of September, but I don't think she'll last. . That route 30 trip tomorrow is sounding like not a bad idea now....
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Post by Koastal Karl on Mar 1, 2008 10:46:55 GMT -8
I am up for a route 30 trip if people want to do it?
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Post by Mirrlees on Mar 1, 2008 18:25:52 GMT -8
I'm going up on the 10:25 from TSA and the 1:05PM back to TSA tomorrow.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 3, 2008 19:26:11 GMT -8
My brother sent me the following in an email last night..
MR X WAS JUST BY AND SAID BUYERS WERE INSPECTING THE VANCOUVER WHEN HE WAS ON SHIFT.
'Mr X' is obviously not this persons real name. I will say that this person is a Tsawwassen based BCFS crew member who normally works route 30. He is of course referring to potential buyers for the Queen of Vancouver. I gather they were having a look yesterday (Sunday, March 2nd).
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Post by Hardy on Mar 3, 2008 20:15:47 GMT -8
I know it is a bit presumptive to ask, and probably assumes that "Mr. X" was privy to this information but:
Any indication that the 'viewers'/potential buyers are interested in just Vancouver or perhaps some of her sisters as well?
Just curious. I know that BCFS will sell to the highest bidders, but I would be interested, IF THE SHIPS WILL BE USED AGAIN (as opposed to scrapped), whether they will be sold off individually, or as a set, or some combination thereof.
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Post by markkarj on Mar 4, 2008 20:02:26 GMT -8
In the event these ships have a date with a cutting torch, where is most of the scrap value derived? Primarily the steel (I would figure so), or are there other parts that fetch a bit of money at the second-hand ship parts mart?
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 4, 2008 20:17:38 GMT -8
Steel can be remelted and recycled. All the metal in the wiring also. Not to mention piping. Given the age most of it would be copper too. I am actually surprized no one has tried to steal some of it in the exposed ceilings of the V Class. Some of the used equipment could resold. Some of it maybe too old and will also be headed for the scrap heap.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 4, 2008 20:26:29 GMT -8
I can remember back at the Queen of Sidney tour in 2005 and saw what the current owners were getting rid of. There was copper wire about 3 inches in diameter that was pulled out of the ship, and placed on to the car deck. It went up and down the length of the car deck a few times to give you a perspective as to how big this wire was. That was just on the Queen of Sidney, who knows how much of that wire is on the V-Class.
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Post by Rod Smelser on Apr 22, 2008 10:21:00 GMT -8
It really was stupid and short-sighted to sell the origina fleet vessel MV Sidney, and now it's sister MV Tsawwassen. The money these vessels will fetch is immaterial compared to their historic value. Would the Royal Navy consider selling Nelson's Victory? Would the US Navy be content to sell the USS Missouri to some scrap dealer? If the Chief of Naval Operations were one David Hahn, I guess they would!
In addition, I think two of the raised and extended near originals, say Vancouver and either Saanich or Esquimalt should be kept.
If the vessels cannot do active duty, they can act as other facilities that would attract visitors.
I Washington State, travelling between Port Townsend and Whidbey Island, my wife and I were on an 90 year old ship originally built for use in San Francisco, and referred to as a "steel electric". Much has been redone, but the original electric motors are still in that boat.
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 22, 2008 10:53:10 GMT -8
It really was stupid and short-sighted to sell the origina fleet vessel MV Sidney, and now it's sister MV Tsawwassen. The money these vessels will fetch is immaterial compared to their historic value. Would the Royal Navy consider selling Nelson's Victory? Would the US Navy be content to sell the USS Missouri to some scrap dealer? If the Chief of Naval Operations were one David Hahn, I guess they would! Rod, it all comes down to one crucial factor. MONEY. Keeping old ferries (or old anything) around simply costs too much money. To a point, for a large corporation, the lust for profit obscures all other rational thought processes, from maintaining what's currently operating in your fleet to preserving what you don't need or want anymore. Having said that, of course they are maintaining current vessels to a certain degree but nothing like ensuring that the engine room brass is always polished or that any minor wear and tear or worn components are repaired or replaced immediately. Call it not taking enough ownership, or simply the fact that replacing a tiny little component is too time consuming and labor costing to matter. So it'll be okay until the next refit but you can pretty much guarantee by then the whole assembly is gonna need to be replaced not just a small piece of it. Then they want to know why the ship is so expensive to operate. In the end it comes down to what costs who the most and who is willing, or not, to pay for it. The Tsawwassen may be a fine ship but who needs that old scrap heap when you can just build a new one and then not maintain it, because it is brand new and quickly work it to death to get your money's worth out of it. Will it survive as the long as the Tsawwassen has? Not likely. You've heard of the notion spending dollars for pennies. Well, not spending pennies will pretty much guarantee that the new vessels being built now will outlive their economic value a lot faster than the old ones because they'll start costing dollars a lot sooner because no one wanted to spend pennies on them. And her historical value is not enough in the grand scheme of things. The Queen of Tsawwassen wasn't a herald of the age of empire like Nelson's Victory. She never conquered the world or helped to bring the exotic riches of a new world back to the treasuries of Canada. All she did was carry cars and trucks back and forth, back and forth, back and forth for forty-eight years and that's not really all that glamorous or romantic to the historical record. Any interest in preservation, of course, would have to come from the private sector, because you could never raid Gordon Campbell's personal wallet to ask for any of our tax money to be provided. So from our perspective, she may be important, but from any standpoint of economics and business the Tsawwassen just isn't a means by which any one can really make money anymore, so that means she goes. The only way that she might escape her fate is if someone out there decides that she has value to them in so far as they can acquire her for a low-price and save themselves more substantial money in the short-term. So you just can't find anyone who would pay to have an old ship preserved.
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Post by ferrytraveller on May 8, 2008 14:20:10 GMT -8
well today, i was aboard the queen of vancouver doing training and heard from the crew and officers that both the vancouver and sannich have been sold to someone from europe and done at the end of the summer! IT was also said BC Ferries is leasing the ferries back for the summer from the new owners.
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Post by Coastal Canuck on May 8, 2008 14:39:36 GMT -8
why didn't BC Ferries just wait until the summer was over to officially cell them
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on May 8, 2008 15:33:35 GMT -8
why didn't BC Ferries just wait until the summer was over to officially cell them It was expected that all three Coastals would be in operation by the summer and the New West would be in service on Route 1... Obviously the CC will not see service until the middle or end of summer. The New West on the other hand is still anyones guess...
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 8, 2008 16:38:57 GMT -8
why didn't BC Ferries just wait until the summer was over to officially cell them because land-line technology is much more expensive than cell technology during summer
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Post by ferrytraveller on May 8, 2008 18:47:19 GMT -8
the new west is said to be out in october and CI by mid summer as i have heard it.
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Post by markkarj on May 29, 2008 13:57:40 GMT -8
well today, i was aboard the queen of vancouver doing training and heard from the crew and officers that both the vancouver and sannich have been sold to someone from europe and done at the end of the summer! IT was also said BC Ferries is leasing the ferries back for the summer from the new owners. I wonder who would buy them out of Europe. If it's a shipping company, surely they have sources of much newer ships closer to home. Or could it be a broker whose only job is to buy the ship to send it to either Alang or Turkey?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2008 15:02:25 GMT -8
I like the idea of building new one's in B.C good for the ship building industry obveosly. just a thought
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Post by Guest 101 on May 31, 2008 10:06:49 GMT -8
Sorry to disappoint - but can't see why anyone in Europe would want one of these old Queens.
Why?........well the first thing is the cost of moving them from the West Coast of BC to Europe.
If it is for - as been speculated - for her "metal" - again that is extremely far from the point. Look in the Black Seas and see most of the Russian Navy sitting there rusting away. It is sold off as scrap metal - and there is still major tonnage of it to go - plus of course we also have more than enough old vessel here to keep the "limited" scrap dealer happy.
I think your better bet is the Far East - China - Korean ect....
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Post by markkarj on Jun 29, 2008 5:02:23 GMT -8
Hi folks:
I know there had been some discussion of this in the Princess Jacqueline/ex Queen of Esquimalt thread, but it seems this covers perhaps all three V class ships (Not sure about the Queen of Tsawassen).
So is there official word on who's bought the three V-class ships? We know the PJ is flagged out of Cambodia (from the picture), but will it sail in Hong Kong (that's what I thought had been indicated)?
What were the purchase prices for the ships?
What kind of modifications are happening before the ships sail?
Any word on a buyer for the Queen of Tsawassen?
M
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jun 29, 2008 20:53:11 GMT -8
Hi folks: I know there had been some discussion of this in the Princess Jacqueline/ex Queen of Esquimalt thread, but it seems this covers perhaps all three V class ships (Not sure about the Queen of Tsawassen). So is there official word on who's bought the three V-class ships? We know the PJ is flagged out of Cambodia (from the picture), but will it sail in Hong Kong (that's what I thought had been indicated)? She will sail in Asian waters though no specifics have been provided. Yes, she is registered in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. What were the purchase prices for the ships? Unknown currently. What kind of modifications are happening before the ships sail? Wave breakers from the Coastals will be modified to fit the ships bow. Any word on a buyer for the Queen of Tsawassen? Same buyer for all four...
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Post by Hardy on Jun 30, 2008 21:34:54 GMT -8
Interesting information regarding the same purchaser. This adds to the question of whether the purchaser is just a ship broker (or bareboat leasor) or whether they are the end user. I rack my brain trying to figure out an enterprise that would want 4 old ships like this for use in any commercial enterprise, and I sort of come up empty on it. I can't seem to find any 'buzz' whatsoever on the 'net regarding any "4 ship expansion" plans or anything of the like; unless they are planning on running 2 and having 2 for cannibalization for spare parts ... ??
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Post by Jacob Blondahl on Jul 8, 2008 19:36:40 GMT -8
Wow. I sure wish they would keep one of the V's... (or all of them) I grew up riding those ships and have been on them countless times. If they kept one not only would they have an excellent spare vessel for breakdowns / contingencies but also they could pull other ships for refits or whatever whenever they wished not limiting it to certain months. It could easily cover any major route. The V-class are definatly my favorite ferries anywhere. Far nicer, I think, than even the C or S class. Apparently the Victoria and Sidney both ended their lives on the beach at Alang, India. It would be awefull to see any more go that way!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 8, 2008 19:37:49 GMT -8
The Queen of Sidney is in Silverdale rusting away Jacob.
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Post by kylefossett on Jul 9, 2008 18:57:14 GMT -8
The Queen of Sidney is ending its life on a beach along side the Fraser River in Silverdale. Jacob part of your statement is correct, she is ending her life on a beach
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jul 23, 2008 20:06:47 GMT -8
Since Toronto has broken the record for the wettest June and July (even though July isn't even over yet) since records have been kept, I think we may need to be buying the surplus BC Ferries for use here.
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