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Post by EGfleet on Aug 11, 2007 5:34:11 GMT -8
Might the Q-boat get a little touch-up while she is out of service. I am not talking about a complete paint job, just a little TLC on her rusty sides. Doubtful. They're too busy trying to keep her hull from leaking.
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 11, 2007 7:54:23 GMT -8
Might the Q-boat get a little touch-up while she is out of service. I am not talking about a complete paint job, just a little TLC on her rusty sides. Possibly, but I wouldn't hold your breath on that. I suspect any monies made available for the old girl will be dedicated to making her a floater. In short, 'tain't mission-critical.
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Post by SS Shasta on Nov 20, 2007 11:19:50 GMT -8
Just wondering how long a complete painting like that of the MV Tacoma will last? I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I can't find it.
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Post by EGfleet on Nov 20, 2007 11:33:06 GMT -8
Just wondering how long a complete painting like that of the MV Tacoma will last? I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I can't find it. Depending on when it was painted, and the quality of paint (the last round was a bad lot, from what I understand) it usually stays looking pretty good for five years or so. That depends on a lot of things, but the Mark II's didn't start looking really bad until the last three years or so... The Chelan, which was last painted in '00, if memory serves, looked okay...not great mind you, but okay until about two years back.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 20, 2007 13:21:32 GMT -8
WSF has also been dabbling around with different brands of paint. One of the boats--the Sealth, I think--actually got Sherwin Williams paint instead of the old two-part epoxy paint from Hades, and I think it's actually holding up better.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 20, 2007 20:26:27 GMT -8
LOL! Doesn't Hades paint dry off in the sun cause it gets too hot? Sure makes for some nasty patches.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 21, 2007 7:59:01 GMT -8
Haven't studied it that closely, actually. I know, for example, that the Yakima was painted at the wrong time of the year--it was chilly and damp--and that is why the paint is peeling off so badly and the Yak looks like she has a skin disease. The Tacoma had simply gone a long time without paint.
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Post by SS Shasta on Mar 30, 2008 11:31:31 GMT -8
I had a good opportunity to look at MV Wenatchee Friday as she is docked at the Bellingham Shipyard for painting. The project was in a very early stage as workers were still removing gear and equipment from the vessel prior to painting. It was a surprise to see how good the original paint seemed to be. There was a large scrape at one end (perhaps do to a hard landing) but very little rust.
Has WSF developed a schedule for the painting of vessels yet? It would seem logical that vessels with heavy rust like MV Yakima should have some priority over vessels retaining a fairly good coat of paint. I guess the third 202 Vessel will be next for paint, but what about the poor MV Yakima?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 30, 2008 18:13:34 GMT -8
The Special Provisions section of the IFB for the Yakima does mention painting above the waterline as part of the work. I don't know if that's just for the hull or the entire vessel.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 30, 2008 18:59:53 GMT -8
Hopefully the entire boat... we've been over this before, of course, but apparently it bears repeating.
WSF tries to get their boats painted, on average, about once every seven years. The Yakima had the misfortune of being painted in winter, and apparently the superstructure was damp when they painted. Consequently, it's been peeling off in large chunks from the aluminum, and rusting unhappily on the steel.
However, I must also repeat for all those of you who get really, really upset when there's a flyspeck on the boat somewhere, it's really more important that they run than look pretty. Otherwise we might as well have gone ahead and put the money into the terminals.
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Post by SS Shasta on Jul 19, 2009 14:17:46 GMT -8
It was reported that MV Spokane did not receive new exterior(outside) paint during her recent long stay at the Bellingham yard. Didn't WSF management indicate that one or two vessels would have to be out-of-service during the busy summer months because weather conditions are much better for exterior painting. It is noted above that MV Yakima's paint looks so shabby because she was painted during the winter months. Why is MV Spokane out -of-service during this busy summer if she is not receiving new exterior paint as indicated in the project description?
What is the situation with MV Evergreen State which is out-of-service under a similar contract with the Bellingham yard?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jul 19, 2009 15:18:21 GMT -8
My guess is that they couldn't easily remove the exterior paint (at least on the curtain walls) during dockside work without violating enviromental laws. Several of the recent repaints (Tacoma, Wenatchee, Puyallup, and Issaquah) have all been done with the exterior surfaces done during drydock work and interior surfaces done during dockside work.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 19, 2009 19:08:41 GMT -8
My guess is that they couldn't easily remove the exterior paint (at least on the curtain walls) during dockside work without violating enviromental laws. Several of the recent repaints (Tacoma, Wenatchee, Puyallup, and Issaquah) have all been done with the exterior surfaces done during drydock work and interior surfaces done during dockside work. I wasn't terribly surprised to hear the Spokane wasn't done. I talked to a boat owner not to long ago who informed me that no matter what size boat you have now, they want you to paint it out of the water, period. He was complaining about the cost of it, even for a sail boat. When the Wenatchee came out from Bellingham last year, her tunnels and decks were all repainted and part of the upper cabin was, but from the waterline to the passenger cabin nothing was touched on the outside. She went into drydock at Todd to have the rest finished. And as for the rustiest boat in the fleet, I think the Hyak takes the cake. My friend Matt Masuoka (you'll see his name all over my site, he regularly contributes ferryboat photos) snapped these a two weeks ago or so.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 19, 2009 19:55:38 GMT -8
Have any rumours been floating around WSF as to when Yakima will get re-painted? As for Hyak, I would imagine they will just wait until its refurbishment in 2011, no? And I won't even ask about Chelan. Nothing can be done with that boat as long as the Sidney run is operating.
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Post by FNS on Jul 19, 2009 20:55:03 GMT -8
06-29-2009 from the WENATCHEE The HYAK is looking somewhat like a member of a fleet some thousands miles east of us. The longer she waits for her paint job, the more likelihood she'll really look like one. You know what fleet I'm speaking about. That fleet that wears their orange paint with pride! ;D One thing that comes to my mind. Is there a heath safety issue to all who ride aboard a ferry with so much rust on her? MV HYAK, you need a paint job!
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Post by Mill Bay on Jul 19, 2009 21:34:44 GMT -8
One thing that comes to my mind. Is there a heath safety issue to all who ride aboard a ferry with so much rust on her? Not as long as everyone's tetanus shots are up to date.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 19, 2009 21:39:40 GMT -8
Holy $(*% she's gotten worse in a matter of weeks? Seriously, she needs paint, and lots of it.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 20, 2009 9:09:22 GMT -8
It was reported that MV Spokane did not receive new exterior(outside) paint during her recent long stay at the Bellingham yard. Didn't WSF management indicate that one or two vessels would have to be out-of-service during the busy summer months because weather conditions are much better for exterior painting. It is noted above that MV Yakima's paint looks so shabby because she was painted during the winter months. Why is MV Spokane out -of-service during this busy summer if she is not receiving new exterior paint as indicated in the project description? What is the situation with MV Evergreen State which is out-of-service under a similar contract with the Bellingham yard? The Evergreen State might be able to fit into the Bellingham yard's drydock; I'm not entirely sure...a quick check of Google Earth indicates that the drydock is long enough but not wide enough. I've no idea where she is getting paint. OTOH, she's also not expected back for a while yet, either. The Spokane is, as stated elsewhere, enroute to Todd shipyard today, presumably to receive her paint. I think you've jumped the gun a bit on the assumption that she Spokane ISN'T receiving exterior paint just because she HASN'T received exterior paint yet. Of course, after this statement, I'll be really embarassed if she comes out of Todd's without new paint...
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Post by Kam on Jul 20, 2009 11:23:12 GMT -8
One thing that comes to my mind. Is there a heath safety issue to all who ride aboard a ferry with so much rust on her? Not as long as everyone's tetanus shots are up to date. I feel like I need a tetanus shot just from looking at the poor girl..
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jul 20, 2009 11:54:42 GMT -8
I was looking at the dockside contracts to see there was any mention of drydocking and I didn't see any. Was this drydock work subcontratced?
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 20, 2009 12:34:34 GMT -8
My guess is that they couldn't easily remove the exterior paint (at least on the curtain walls) during dockside work without violating enviromental laws. Several of the recent repaints (Tacoma, Wenatchee, Puyallup, and Issaquah) have all been done with the exterior surfaces done during drydock work and interior surfaces done during dockside work. I wasn't terribly surprised to hear the Spokane wasn't done. I talked to a boat owner not to long ago who informed me that no matter what size boat you have now, they want you to paint it out of the water, period. He was complaining about the cost of it, even for a sail boat. When the Wenatchee came out from Bellingham last year, her tunnels and decks were all repainted and part of the upper cabin was, but from the waterline to the passenger cabin nothing was touched on the outside. She went into drydock at Todd to have the rest finished. And as for the rustiest boat in the fleet, I think the Hyak takes the cake. My friend Matt Masuoka (you'll see his name all over my site, he regularly contributes ferryboat photos) snapped these a two weeks ago or so. She's looking just as bad as the Queen of Sidney!
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Post by BreannaF on Jul 20, 2009 13:11:14 GMT -8
She's looking just as bad as the Queen of Sidney! Our lady Hyak may currently have a nasty looking skin disease. Perhaps she could use some exterior paint when the time is available to do so. She is certainly not in as bad shape as the Queen of Sidney.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 20, 2009 15:27:15 GMT -8
I was looking at the dockside contracts to see there was any mention of drydocking and I didn't see any. Was this drydock work subcontratced? If you check the "Maintence/Drydock" sheet on the WSF site you'll see that the Spokane is in DD for this week followed by AI. DD=drydock AI= annual inspection. Usually if drydocking is mentioned in the contract, that is for credit drydocking which is a whole different ball of wax. This was all planned worked. As stated earlier, in order to paint, you have to drydock, so one just goes with the other...that being said, it is possible that Bellingham had to contract out that part of of the work as they don't have a drydock big enough to handle the Spokane, or it could be that they are simply able to rent the dock from Todd and then do the painting themselves.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 20, 2009 21:06:35 GMT -8
Though I heard a rumor today that it will be receiving preservation painting, which is touch-up and not a complete job. Hope that isn't true... I'd just as soon see the whole boat get paint if they're going to that much trouble.
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Post by SS Shasta on Jul 20, 2009 21:32:11 GMT -8
This is confusing at best and sounding rather nutty. In reading the "VESSEL PRESERVATION" section of the WSF web site, these two projects clearly describe "painting most of the top side" for the purpose of "preventing corrosion of metal." Is it wrong to assume that preventing corrosion of metal would indicate outside painting rather than inside painting? I should read the contract specifications of the two contracts, but my Seattle computer runs so slow that this would take too long. It also indicates at the WSF web site that MV Spokane is due back in service next week and MV Evergreen State a week later. This is almost a month behind schedule listed on the two contracts.
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