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Post by Kahloke on Mar 30, 2020 6:27:08 GMT -8
I may have ridden the Yakima at bremerton a long while ago. That's quite likely. Although Yakima has generally been home ported in Anacortes since the late 90's, there have been occasional times when she was assigned to Bremerton.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 31, 2020 17:04:39 GMT -8
Is Washington State Ferries planning on using bigger boats on Bainbridge Island and Bremerton routes during the weekdays with service reductions? Not at Bainbridge; the Tacoma's already the biggest horse in the stable...
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Mar 31, 2020 17:16:06 GMT -8
Is Washington State Ferries planning on using bigger boats on Bainbridge Island and Bremerton routes during the weekdays with service reductions? Not at Bainbridge; the Tacoma's already the biggest horse in the stable... They're actually using the Wenatchee until further notice apparently. Tacoma out at Eagle Harbor.
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Post by withtheferries on Mar 31, 2020 17:44:32 GMT -8
Not at Bainbridge; the Tacoma's already the biggest horse in the stable... They're actually using the Wenatchee until further notice apparently. Tacoma out at Eagle Harbor. They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run.
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Post by elwharust on Mar 31, 2020 19:18:58 GMT -8
it would be cool if they could do that, but sadly the ferry system probably can't afford that right now.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 31, 2020 19:32:07 GMT -8
it would be cool if they could do that, but sadly the ferry system probably can't afford that right now. Deep Sea would require watertight doors and closed hulls, and the WSF ships don't even have non-watertight doors. ...and most of the ships have large open windows all down their hulls at the car-decks.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Mar 31, 2020 19:48:49 GMT -8
They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Assuming my knowledge of repositioning costs is correct, that series of boat swaps would conservatively cost about $140,000. So, I'm curious: how do you justify that expenditure?
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Post by Neil on Mar 31, 2020 20:58:59 GMT -8
it would be cool if they could do that, but sadly the ferry system probably can't afford that right now. Deep Sea would require watertight doors and closed hulls, and the WSF ships don't even have non-watertight doors. ...and most of the ships have large open windows all down their hulls at the car-decks. Mike, I'm going to excuse my jumping in here by claiming ferry fan obsessiveness. I think the windows are actually on the bulwarks, not the hull, 'above the level of a weather deck'... but maybe someone can correct me on that, also.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Apr 1, 2020 8:42:44 GMT -8
They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Assuming my knowledge of repositioning costs is correct, that series of boat swaps would conservatively cost about $140,000. So, I'm curious: how do you justify that expenditure? I think it's less about expense and more about need; low passenger demand and ridership figures demand that the boat currently running is going to have to be sufficient enough because there's no need to bother.
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Post by R30A on Apr 2, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -8
They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Why would you do any of this? These are all capacity downgrades at a time when despite low ridership you want the highest cabin capacity possible so people can socially distance. Having the giant-cabined Jumbo MkII and Supers on the more pedestrian heavy Bainbridge and Bremerton runs makes a lot of sense in this specific situation. The Walla Walla is not the boat to use now on Bainbridge, much as the Issaquahs are not the boats to use on Bremerton.
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Post by waterlogged72 on Apr 2, 2020 14:01:53 GMT -8
As long as the boats are operable and there is ample room for people to steer clear of each other, it's fine the way it is. Let's just get through this in as close to one piece as possible.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Apr 2, 2020 15:29:30 GMT -8
As long as the boats are operable and there is ample room for people to steer clear of each other, it's fine the way it is. Let's just get through this in as close to one piece as possible. There is also no ferry work getting done right now. WSF has informed me that Eagle Harbor was closed to meet governor's requirements, so they need to make to with what works right now too.
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Post by withtheferries on Apr 2, 2020 18:54:26 GMT -8
As long as the boats are operable and there is ample room for people to steer clear of each other, it's fine the way it is. Let's just get through this in as close to one piece as possible. There is also no ferry work getting done right now. WSF has informed me that Eagle Harbor was closed to meet governor's requirements, so they need to make to with what works right now too. Does that mean the Chimacum will be out later than 4/9/20??
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Apr 2, 2020 19:12:53 GMT -8
There is also no ferry work getting done right now. WSF has informed me that Eagle Harbor was closed to meet governor's requirements, so they need to make to with what works right now too. Does that mean the Chimacum will be out later than 4/9/20?? The Chimacum is not at Eagle Harbor; unsure as to shipyard working status.
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Post by withtheferries on Apr 2, 2020 19:17:01 GMT -8
Oh right i forgot lol
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 5, 2020 15:56:49 GMT -8
They're actually using the Wenatchee until further notice apparently. Tacoma out at Eagle Harbor. They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Why? The Kwa-di-Tabil class is absolutely awful for the interisland run, by the way.
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Post by withtheferries on Apr 5, 2020 19:02:39 GMT -8
They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Why? The Kwa-di-Tabil class is absolutely awful for the interisland run, by the way. Less people are travling = smaller ships?
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Apr 5, 2020 22:51:38 GMT -8
Less people are traveling = smaller ships? It's not that simple. As I said before, vessel swaps cost a lot of money to preform. I believe WSF once stated that each individual boat move costs an average of $14,000. As well, repositioning a vessel requires an extra crew shift, at a time when person-person contact needs to be minimized to the greatest extent possible. At this point in time, it is in the best interest of the ferry system and everyone else involved to just leave each ship on the route that it is on.
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Post by iceberg1 on Apr 6, 2020 5:33:53 GMT -8
They should take Walla Walla out of Slip 2 in bremerton and have it go on bainbridge run. Swap the Kaleetan at bremerton for a issaquah class or a olympic class like the Tokitae. They should also take the Tilly and bring it down to vashon island and have the Chetzemoka be on the interisland run. Why? The Kwa-di-Tabil class is absolutely awful for the interisland run, by the way. KDT 64's on the interisland route works just fine during the fall/winter shoulder and winter months. Not so good starting April 1st when traffic including big trucks starts to ramp up. Yes, its a pain in the arse to turn big rigs around on the Salish car deck and there is some backing off the vessel required at times but during the winter they are fewer of them since construction is down. The Capt's like the to operate the Salish because of the CPP Wheels. The vessel has loads of stopping power and very maneuverable. Beyond that the interisland crews can do without KDT 64's. On a side note....only 6 vessels in the entire WSF fleet were awarded the Fleet Reliability Award in 2019 (no missed trips due to mechanical breakdown). One third of the six vessels were KDT 64's, Salish and Kennewick.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Apr 9, 2020 15:27:38 GMT -8
Since the Samish is out of service, WSF will run a 3-boat schedule with the Chelan, Kitsap and Tillikum for interisland on the weekdays while just the Chelan and Kitsap will operate domestically on the weekends until further notice. Reservations are also suspended until further notice.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 9, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -8
Why? The Kwa-di-Tabil class is absolutely awful for the interisland run, by the way. KDT 64's on the interisland route works just fine during the fall/winter shoulder and winter months. Not so good starting April 1st when traffic including big trucks starts to ramp up. Yes, its a pain in the arse to turn big rigs around on the Salish car deck and there is some backing off the vessel required at times but during the winter they are fewer of them since construction is down. The Capt's like the to operate the Salish because of the CPP Wheels. The vessel has loads of stopping power and very maneuverable. Beyond that the interisland crews can do without KDT 64's. On a side note....only 6 vessels in the entire WSF fleet were awarded the Fleet Reliability Award in 2019 (no missed trips due to mechanical breakdown). One third of the six vessels were KDT 64's, Salish and Kennewick. "Just fine" doesn't align with what I've heard from the deck force. They're underwhelmed, from my observations. And the PITA/back-off factor is largely why. And it's a PITA to the other boats around them because the process is that much slower. CPP... I dunno. Personally I prefer the electric boats, although they're pretty comparable once the clutch is engaged. I've also never had the chance to play with a KdT, so take me with a grain of salt.
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Post by iceberg1 on Apr 9, 2020 19:20:19 GMT -8
The Salish operates with the bow clutch engaged all the time when the vessel is in service in the islands. Quick response is no problem with backing down in this operating mode however the fuel burned goes up. About 25 extra gallons an hour. Yeah lets face it, nobody likes the KDT's.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 16, 2020 5:43:01 GMT -8
The Salish operates with the bow clutch engaged all the time when the vessel is in service in the islands. Quick response is no problem with backing down in this operating mode however the fuel burned goes up. About 25 extra gallons an hour. Yeah lets face it, nobody likes the KDT's. I dunno; Mary Margaret Haugen thought they were pretty spiffy.
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Post by withtheferries on Apr 16, 2020 11:00:58 GMT -8
The Salish operates with the bow clutch engaged all the time when the vessel is in service in the islands. Quick response is no problem with backing down in this operating mode however the fuel burned goes up. About 25 extra gallons an hour. Yeah lets face it, nobody likes the KDT's. Well i like em!
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Apr 20, 2020 17:02:44 GMT -8
Looks like the Samish has had repairs completed, and 4-boat service will return to Anacortes starting this Sunday, but with Yakima in the #1 position while Samish undergoes annual inspections. Upon Samish's return, the Kitsap will head south and Samish will finally run Anacortes again.
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