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Post by avgeekjoe on Sept 26, 2020 23:32:44 GMT -8
My list of fav WSF class ferries from most to least photogenic to me: Olympic Super Jumbo Mk II Jumbo Issaquah 130 Evergreen State Kwa-di Tabil I would slide the retired Steel Electrics above the Jumbo Mk IIs and the Chinook-class of fast ferries above the Olympic. The Skagit class above the Evergreen State and the Tyee slightly above the Kwa-di Tabil. That said, due to the environmental impacts of wake wash I would have preferred modernized Supers over any of the choices above. Long, elegant Supers can go fast (around 20 knots) and get away with it. I actually think the Kwa's are 2nd best looking and the super's 3rd. I don't like how the Kaw-Di Tabil Class is so seemingly top-heavy. Plus the boats just don't look right and proper versus the Olympics. I like the Supers - long, sleek, narrow and low wake wash. I admit it, the low wake wash at 20+ knots is why the Supers got ahead of the Jumbos. |
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Post by withtheferries on Sept 27, 2020 8:44:29 GMT -8
I actually think the Kwa's are 2nd best looking and the super's 3rd. I don't like how the Kaw-Di Tabil Class is so seemingly top-heavy. Plus the boats just don't look right and proper versus the Olympics. I like the Supers - long, sleek, narrow and low wake wash. I admit it, the low wake wash at 20+ knots is why the Supers got ahead of the Jumbos. The jumbo's actually have quite low wake wash from what i can see. Supers have a small wake too, But the olympics have a pretty big wake wash sooo..... |
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 27, 2020 10:51:58 GMT -8
Beauty, of course, is always in the eye of the beholder. For me, and my sense of aesthetics, the original Jumbos are still the sleekest looking vessels in the fleet. They have a clean, elegant, design which has not been replicated since then. The JMII's aren't bad, either, but they are a little busier. I would put them in second place.
The Olympics would look good if they were stretched about 40ft. In profile, they look sort of ok, but mostly they look too short for the amount of height they have, especially those stacks. Those look way out of proportion to the overall size of the ship. The Olympics also have some differing angles going on which don't really play well with each other. I'm mainly thinking of the steeply raked ends of the main passenger cabin by the doors that go out to the pickle forks, as opposed to the less raked slopes of the front of the car decks (the ends of the pickle forks) and the slope of the passenger cabin fronts themselves - where the forward seating areas are. My designer eye cringes a bit at that change of angle, because I think it needs to match the other angles. Something about it doesn't look quite right. But, those are minor nit-picks. Overall, the vessels are comfortable and work well on the routes they are deployed on, and after all, that's the primary goal, right?
The Evergreens have always looked good to me, as well, especially Evergreen State, herself. It also had a nice clean look, especially before they raised the car deck.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 27, 2020 14:41:39 GMT -8
My favourite class in order are:
1. Jumbo Mark II
2. Olympic Class
3.Super Class
4. Evergreen State Class. Why did the Klahowya and Tillikum receive extended passengers cabins?
5. Jumbo Class
6. Issaquah Class
7. Kwa-di Tabil Class
Why I put them in this order because I like they look and ironic to Washington.
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 27, 2020 16:01:56 GMT -8
4. Evergreen State Class. Why did the Klahowya and Tillikum receive extended passengers cabins? 4 years elapsed between the time Evergreen was built (1954) and when Klahowya (1958), and Tillikum (1959) were built. That gave them time to see how well Evergreen was working out, and apparently they decided Klahowya and Tillikum would benefit from an enlarged passenger cabin; not unlike the redesign of the C's that enlarged the passenger cabins of Queen of Oak Bay and Queen of Surrey, also built 4 years later than Cowichan and Coquitlam. |
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Post by avgeekjoe on Sept 27, 2020 16:40:15 GMT -8
I don't like how the Kaw-Di Tabil Class is so seemingly top-heavy. Plus the boats just don't look right and proper versus the Olympics. I like the Supers - long, sleek, narrow and low wake wash. I admit it, the low wake wash at 20+ knots is why the Supers got ahead of the Jumbos. The jumbo's actually have quite low wake wash from what i can see. Supers have a small wake too, But the olympics have a pretty big wake wash sooo..... The Jumbo Mk Is can't run in the San Juans due to wake wash issues that came up in the 1970s. The waves were too big and strong for the docks to handle. I read that in Michael Skalley's The Ferry Story: The Evergreen Fleet in Profile. Also it would definitely get our collective attention if the Olympic class got wake wash issues big enough for lawfare. |
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 13, 2020 11:24:55 GMT -8
The jumbo's actually have quite low wake wash from what i can see. Supers have a small wake too, But the olympics have a pretty big wake wash sooo..... The Jumbo Mk Is can't run in the San Juans due to wake wash issues that came up in the 1970s. The waves were too big and strong for the docks to handle. I read that in Michael Skalley's The Ferry Story: The Evergreen Fleet in Profile. Also it would definitely get our collective attention if the Olympic class got wake wash issues big enough for lawfare. There's less said about the notion that the Jumbo Mk I's were built with federal funding subsidy, on the basis that the Big Boats would work Seattle-Winslow. The variation I heard was that a group of Winslonians lawyered up to get the boat on the run that the feds were told it would be. |
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Post by withtheferries on Oct 14, 2020 11:56:44 GMT -8
The jumbo's actually have quite low wake wash from what i can see. Supers have a small wake too, But the olympics have a pretty big wake wash sooo..... The Jumbo Mk Is can't run in the San Juans due to wake wash issues that came up in the 1970s. The waves were too big and strong for the docks to handle. I read that in Michael Skalley's The Ferry Story: The Evergreen Fleet in Profile. Also it would definitely get our collective attention if the Olympic class got wake wash issues big enough for lawfare. I miss said something. The Olympics have big PROP WASH not wake sorry for the misinformation. |
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