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Post by Northern Exploration on May 27, 2008 18:49:38 GMT -8
Congrats to Flensburger and BCFerries. And congrats to our more silent and busy "inside man" Markus. I think this says a lot about the ferries and their quality as well as their design.
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Post by DENelson83 on May 27, 2008 21:34:47 GMT -8
You could say the Super Cs were a real "steel" (tip o' the hat to Brink). I bet they're gonna pay for themselves really quickly.
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Post by Coastal Drought on May 27, 2008 21:38:44 GMT -8
Congrats to BC Ferries to winning this award. A very special thanks to FSG and our inside man, Markus.
Edit: Oops. Spelling error. Didn't realize that until now.
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Post by FNS on May 27, 2008 23:21:44 GMT -8
Congrats to BC Ferries to winning this award. A very special thanks to FSG and our inside man, Marcus. OOPS! Spell that "Markus". Congratulations to BCF and FSG. And, to especially Mr. Brinkmann!
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Post by Mike C on May 28, 2008 14:37:19 GMT -8
I bet they're gonna pay for themselves really quickly. I'm curious to know what you mean by that...
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Post by ferryking on May 28, 2008 15:03:24 GMT -8
I bet they're gonna pay for themselves really quickly. I'm curious to know what you mean by that... me too! As i don't think that they will ever truely 'pay' for themselves...
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Post by Canucks on May 28, 2008 19:31:35 GMT -8
Congrats to BCF and FSG but let's see if the coastals can last 40 years before we call them a success.
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Post by cohocatcher on May 28, 2008 20:04:49 GMT -8
Congrats to BCF and FSG but let's see if the coastals can last 40 years before we call them a success. I think that I'll be dead by then, so can we make a first judgment in about 5 years? ;D
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Post by Canucks on May 28, 2008 20:11:24 GMT -8
As long as they last longer then the FAsTcats. ;D
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Post by cohocatcher on May 28, 2008 20:55:08 GMT -8
Now for the BIG question. Are they going to display the crystal award on the Renaissance?
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Post by yvr on May 29, 2008 12:04:09 GMT -8
I want to hear from 'yvr'. Ship Pax awarded 7 Oscars to ferries, one of which was the CR. That award as copied below is for it's propulsion system. Not the other items tagged on to the BC Ferries PR spin. "Neil, thanks for the invitation to participate " Ferry Technology COASTAL RENAISSANCE For taking the double-ended ferry concept one step higher, incorporating an economic diesel-electric propulsion system capable of achieving a 21-knot service speed. If Cascade still reads this site perhaps he could give his perspective. So what are your thoughts Neil?
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Post by carmen san diego on May 29, 2008 13:39:29 GMT -8
I want to hear from 'yvr'. Ship Pax awarded 7 Oscars to ferries, one of which was the CR. That award as copied below is for it's propulsion system. Not the other items tagged on to the BC Ferries PR spin. Ferry Technology COASTAL RENAISSANCE For taking the double-ended ferry concept one step higher, incorporating an economic diesel-electric propulsion system capable of achieving a 21-knot service speed. If Cascade still reads this site perhaps he could give his perspective. So what are your thoughts Neil? Yvr, How is highlighting the other environmental features (as the prop design is environmentally friendly) PR spin? I guess stating the actual stats, features and facts about a ship is PR spin now. I don't see where BCF at all exclaims that this award is for anything but the 'environmental' propulsion system. fk
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Post by Northern Exploration on May 29, 2008 16:52:37 GMT -8
When you win an award like this you hope that individuals, magazines and even TV see the news releases and/or coverage. To not cover these items again wouldn't be very smart. You have a chance of getting someone's attention, you take advantage of it. When you have that attention you make the best use of it. Would you rather BC Ferries just say the minimum and not try to attract new business or tourists. On the other side of the coin if tourist dollars get scarce many people will be critical of them for not promoting enough.
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Post by markkarj on May 30, 2008 7:03:44 GMT -8
which is the other bcferry ship to win an award my guess is the pacific cats??? I did a story on this when I worked at CKNW. The fast cats were nominated for an award on best interior design, but lost. I'd be surprised if they were nominated for other awards. I understand the fast cats had very light-weight furniture in their interiors to cut weight. I also understand that the ships didn't have deep fryers due to the risk of oil flying if they came to a dead stop after cruising at 37 knots.
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Post by Northern Exploration on May 30, 2008 7:22:41 GMT -8
If I remember correctly the CAT from Maine to Nova Scotia can stop in six boat lengths by throwing the buckets that direct the flow out of the waterjets into reverse. I may have the exact length wrong but I remember the captain saying that any passengers not seated with a seat belt on would be seriously hurt.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on May 30, 2008 7:35:15 GMT -8
Actually, that sounds about right...when those thrust reverser are engaged, the boat would pretty much stop dead in the water. It would probably hurt even if you were strapped in!
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Post by Neil on May 30, 2008 9:20:50 GMT -8
Ship Pax awarded 7 Oscars to ferries, one of which was the CR. That award as copied below is for it's propulsion system. Not the other items tagged on to the BC Ferries PR spin. "Neil, thanks for the invitation to participate " Ferry Technology COASTAL RENAISSANCE For taking the double-ended ferry concept one step higher, incorporating an economic diesel-electric propulsion system capable of achieving a 21-knot service speed. If Cascade still reads this site perhaps he could give his perspective. So what are your thoughts Neil? Thanks, yvr, you didn't disappoint. I knew you wouldn't be able to give credit where credit was due. Although... yvr was correct in pointing out that this award was one of eight, and was for a specific area, and not for overall concept, design, or construction. If one isn't paying attention, you might get the impression that all the specs and features in the press release by BC Ferries was part of the ShipPax presentation. Still, the BC Ferries stuff isn't spin; those are the features of the boats. (By the way, yvr, Cascade still participates regularly in this forum. Just look for a name like "guest 101", or something similar, and look for the unmistakeable writing style. Especially his probing 'quesations'.) Here are the rest of the awards: ShipPax Award 2008RoPax ExteriorCORAGGIO For a high performance ro-pax of sleek exterior design, with a refined hullform combining a high service speed with a useful 2,623-lanem capacity, and with a high grade of public spaces of contemporary Italian style. Ferry ExteriorSIMARA ACE For aesthetically pleasing yacht-style lines in the short-haul Öresund service between Denmark and Sweden, featuring a pleasing design of paned portholes fully complying with regulations yet achieving an effective larger size. Ferry TechnologyCOASTAL RENAISSANCE For taking the double-ended ferry concept one step higher, incorporating an economic diesel-electric propulsion system capable of achieving a 21-knot service speed. Ferry ConversionSTENA HOLLANDICA For the bold initiative of adding the largest-ever mid-body section to a ro-pax ship, creating significant additional lanemetre capacity, and realising a substantial upgrade of passenger accommodations and facilities throughout the ship. Ferry TechnologySUNFLOWER GOLD For the bold adoption of a single screw hullform for a ro-pax in an effort to minimize the CO2footprint while still maintaining redundancy with twin engines and three stern thrusters. HiSpeed ConceptNATCHAN RERA For the implementation of an integrated ferry system with state-of-the art port terminals as well as the largest diesel powered hi-speed ferry with separate truck and cardecks. It also features innovative and high-grade accommodation, with a walk-around internal promenade and the first escalator installation in a lightweight fast ferry. Cruise LoungesAIDAdiva For the Theatrium, a multi-deck and truly multifunctional multiple-deck cruise interior to combine the role of theatre and atrium that is as effective both during daylight hours as it is at show time after dark. For the Pier 3 embarkation lounge, with its French balconies enhancing the passenger experience of coming and going from the ship. RoRo TechnologyFAUST For the incorporation of leading edge equipment to protect the environment in the largest, 8000 car capacity, newbuilding PCTC yet built, reducing the level of emissions per transported vehicle to the lowest level so far. RoPax ConversionFINNTRADER For the conversion into a shortsea ro-pax vessel, the addition of well conceived single driver cabins, double level bow ro-ro access and a radical change in the subdivision layout
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Post by Guest 101 on May 31, 2008 9:42:15 GMT -8
ShipPax is actually a publishing company - which publish a number of titles in the Maritime world and yes one of there "products" is on Ferry systems around the world.
What does the Marine world think of these awards...sorry, but not much - since they have only really been around since 1999.
Where you get the real "honour" of an award is from the Classification Society's - Lloyd's been the grand daddy of them or DNV or ABS ect.....even RINA awards are very highly regarded from shipyard owners to design studios to operators.
As for the PR spin put out by BCFS on the Coastal - look very closely at the list of "so called" new equipment - then check back and you will see these are actual requirements - demanded by the Federal Government. On the BCFS own web site you get the impression that these Coastal are SOLAS90 complaint - but re-read there claim and only parts of the vessel are - not the whole vessel. Review the internal brochure put out by the German Yard and she (Coastal) are not listed as SOLAS complaint....
As for the awards - yes it makes good PR to a company that gets one - but some how people will always say about awards put out by publishing companies - that the award is down to the money you spend on advertisements in there publilcatioon......
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Post by Neil on May 31, 2008 10:13:05 GMT -8
Cascade, I doubt that you'll ever stop peddling this nonsense about SOLAS deficiencies, but the fact is that these are ships trading on domestic routes in semi-protected waters and they are SOLAS compliant and/or TC compliant, or better, in every area where they need to be.
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Post by Guest 101 on May 31, 2008 10:21:22 GMT -8
Neil,
Why didn't BC Ferries go the extra half mile and make them SOLAS98 Compliant - rather than do half the job and then fudge the rest and past it off as a done deal.....?
I guess and hope that you or I are not on a Coastal when she is hit and we are praying that the Damage & Stability testing they did for "protect inland waterways" is actually enough to keep her a float while we wait for the 1,600 passengers to get safety off the vessel.....in a dark, cold, wet, November in the middle of the Strait of Georgia....
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Post by Neil on May 31, 2008 13:54:38 GMT -8
...it's been said...
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Post by Neil on Jun 8, 2008 15:09:28 GMT -8
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