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Post by Hardy on Jun 18, 2007 20:25:13 GMT -8
...but I digress. 'Coastal Class' is a much friendlier and considerably less ostentatious name than Super-C. It almost seems like they'd need a cape... I was going to post that when I was reading thru the thread - it doesn't surprise me that you beat me to it! ;D I will only add to this though: " If they're SUPER, it would conjour up images of a cape and tights with a single letter emblazonned on their funnel (chest)." What powers, over and above a 'normal' ferry, would a 'SUPER' ferry have? Hmmm .... an interesting proposition .....
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 19, 2007 10:06:37 GMT -8
Faster than a speeding Kwuna!
Able to sweep the holding lanes clear in a single stop!
It's a blur...
It's a pain...
It's the Coastal Pompousness!
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Post by Hardy on Jun 19, 2007 17:08:23 GMT -8
Nice work Barnacle. I have a suggestion for what the Coastal (Super-C) class could do better than all others. Why don't we re-design the dock so that we can load both decks AT BOTH ENDS of the ferry at the same time! That way we could cut the loading time in HALF and better serve the travelling public! By reducing the loading times, we can reduce the level of service (AGAIN) as we will still have the same CAPACITY I wink a lot, because of course, it would cause a problem unloading the boat if you loaded it from both ends. It is yet another attempt at sarcasm. I also want to go up against the notion that BCFS puts forward which says that they are providing MORE service today than they did years ago on the major routes. Seats and car-spaces maybe, but what is up with all the sailing delays/waits? Ferry service/capacity has not grown in step with the population growth on both sides of the Mainland/Island runs..... it reaks of fertilizer again whenever I hear this arguement.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 19, 2007 18:21:20 GMT -8
Wow a quintuple angry face. Now that is mad.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 19, 2007 21:05:00 GMT -8
Wow a quintuple angry face. Now that is mad. Yup. You caught that one. Here we are 3rd week of JUNE, and we still have not achieved hourly sailings/summer schedule <extremely angry six-pack of super unhappy frownies> But ... "we've added more capacity than we've previously had on all our major routes". Sailing waits are just figments of our imaginations. And there's no margin to be had, so let's raise fares or add another FSC. Fertilizer Nuggets ..... squared.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 20, 2007 9:07:08 GMT -8
I have a suggestion for what the Coastal (Super-C) class could do better than all others. Why don't we re-design the dock so that we can load both decks AT BOTH ENDS of the ferry at the same time! Because if the wingwalls at the offshore end were fixed structures, the boat wouldn't be able to go anywhere? ;D At that point it's a bridge, I think...
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Post by hergfest on Jun 20, 2007 11:00:40 GMT -8
It seems the car capacity is OK, but I see commercial sailing waits every weekday. Both Route 2 and Route 30 have almost two sailing waits today. This will improve with the Alberni back, but the commercial traffic is outpacing BC Ferries.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 20, 2007 16:59:12 GMT -8
Because if the wingwalls at the offshore end were fixed structures, the boat wouldn't be able to go anywhere? ;D At that point it's a bridge, I think... Hell, let's not retire any boats, and we can just line them up end-to-end and make a floating bridge. Let's buy back the Sidney and whatever else we can find and get started. Argh ... see my frusteration in the next post.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 20, 2007 17:02:49 GMT -8
It seems the car capacity is OK, but I see commercial sailing waits every weekday. Both Route 2 and Route 30 have almost two sailing waits today. This will improve with the Alberni back, but the commercial traffic is outpacing BC Ferries. Even the car capacity as a whole is down, with the fewer sailings. If there is extra space 2 hours prior, and then a line up at the appointed time, and then free space again 2 hours later, where's your capacity at? With hourly sailings (ie summer sched) it is more balanced out, I think, even with lower capacities of the older boats. Back to Alberni -- I don't think that she will fix a _3_ sailing wait. How many more LANE-METRES does she have versus the Coquitlam? I don't want to go back to the darn stats that mean nothing to me. I think this is where FSG and other's have it correct -- state the capacity in LANE-METRES and then you can figure this stuff out. :-) Assuming standard width loads, that is. I agree that the scope of the traffic has beaten BCFS on capacity. Even the Alberni cannot close the gap between supply and demand.
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Post by hergfest on Jun 22, 2007 22:00:48 GMT -8
I haven't been on the Alberni in a long time, but I believe that she has over 2x the truck capacity as the Coq. The entire bottom deck can be used for trucks as she doesn't have the galley decks the Coq has. So instead of just having cars in the middle, you can put them in the middle and outside lanes. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 25, 2007 1:50:37 GMT -8
I haven't been on the Alberni in a long time, but I believe that she has over 2x the truck capacity as the Coq. The entire bottom deck can be used for trucks as she doesn't have the galley decks the Coq has. I've been baffled by this for a long while now because of how often I hear and read both ways of calling the same deck; could someone who knows clarify if gallery decks are also properly referred to as 'galley decks'? Or should we be seeing deep friers and dishwashers before we can call them 'galley decks'? And you're right, hergfest, the Queen of Alberni is all overheight-capable on the main vehicle deck.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 25, 2007 6:21:16 GMT -8
I'm of the opinion that the term used here as "Galley" decks is either someone's consistent spelling mistake, or then someone's consistent terminology mistake.
I don't believe it's the correct term. I believe it's simply a common mistake that, if repeated often enough, becomes accepted as true.
I've seen the term "Gallery" used on ferry signage, so I know that "Gallery" at least is what the side-decks on the C-Class were officially referred to as.
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 25, 2007 6:35:29 GMT -8
I'm of the opinion that the term used here as "Galley" decks is either someone's consistent spelling mistake, or then someone's consistent terminology mistake. I don't believe it's the correct term. I believe it's simply a common mistake that, if repeated often enough, becomes accepted as true. I've seen the term "Gallery" used on ferry signage, so I know that "Gallery" at least is what the side-decks on the C-Class were officially referred to as. Here's confirmation:
Search for "galley-deck" on www.google.ca www.tinyurl.com/2pjad5
Search for "gallery-deck" on www.google.ca www.tinyurl.com/2r8xqb
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Post by Neil on Jun 25, 2007 8:27:48 GMT -8
'Galley deck' has always bugged me, too. Now if we could just get rid of 'dosent', 'wasent'. and 'should of'... Sorry. Nit-picking.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 26, 2007 16:24:12 GMT -8
Or should we be seeing deep friers and dishwashers before we can call them 'galley decks'? I think that the GALLEY decks are for parking those carts of trays and dirty dishes .... However, if I start to see kitchen appliances, coolers, stock-carts and pallets full of foodstuffs, I will surely know which level of deck I am on. Thank GAWD we don't have a POOP deck ... or maybe we do, at least on the NorAd (when the plumbing is acting skitish)...... And you're right, hergfest, the Queen of Alberni is all overheight-capable on the main vehicle deck. I understand this part of it. How many LANE METRES of O/H space does the Alberni have versus the Coquitlam? This is the comparison that I am interested in (think I mentioned that before). Anyways, I am not arguing that having the Alberni back will assist in cutting down commercial waits, but I still think that the problem is BIGGER than that -- there is much more commercial traffic now than there was even a year ago, and BCFS has not added enough capacity to efficiently make sure that the commercial traffic is dealt with in a timely fashion.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 26, 2007 16:53:21 GMT -8
An example of the exploding truck and commercial traffic can be see all over the country. Just drive the 401 between Toronto and Montreal at night and at all hours you see a steady stream of truck traffic. The sections where there are two lanes in each direction are almost not enough any more. Trucks passing long lines of trucks can really slow traffic. And the line-ups of commercial vehicles at the border crossings is not just a result of more security. With all the growth on the Island I can imagine all the traffic that is now needed just to keep supplies moving.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 27, 2007 9:01:48 GMT -8
I'm still trying to figure out what is really being discussed by galley/gallery deck. ;D If it's referring to the upper car deck, why not just call it that?
On the other hand, the upper ramps on the lower car deck (!) are actually techincally called 'tween decks.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jun 28, 2007 17:16:13 GMT -8
On the other hand, the upper ramps on the lower car deck (!) are actually techincally called 'tween decks. So does that mean the upper ramps could be called "Deck 2.5?"
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 28, 2007 17:57:35 GMT -8
I'm still trying to figure out what is really being discussed by galley/gallery deck. ;D If it's referring to the upper car deck, why not just call it that? On the other hand, the upper ramps on the lower car deck (!) are actually techincally called 'tween decks. Makes sense as the 'tween deck on the QPR is just that, between the hull and vehicle deck.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 14, 2007 11:11:58 GMT -8
Surprise, surprise, BCFS is squeezing every last drop of mileage out of their new ships - nothing wrong with that - but irony and humour, as always, is added when our local news outlets get their ferry facts incorrect and not up to date, Global news referring to the 'Coastals' as the 'Super-C's again today. Here's the actual "news" release from BCFS... www.bcferries.com/news/files/07-061bcfunveilstwomoresupercs.pdfBut wait, you might be wondering, hadn't BCFS long-ago officially started referring to their new double-enders by the class name that they themselved gave them? Well you're not alone if you are confused, especially considering that not only does their official release today use the old class name in the text but even in the actual file name. This proves it to me, there is no longer any question in my mind, ferry facts in this province are treated as a running gag by both the media and the actual company charged with getting these facts straight for their customers.
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Post by Neil on Sept 14, 2007 11:34:04 GMT -8
The designs are different for all three ships, so I suppose it is 'news' when a new design is unveiled. People on this forum seem to be excited about every little detail of the new vessels, so it's understandable that the corporate honchos are pumped as well.
I don't think ferry stories are a 'running gag' in the media; it's just that probably no one outside of hard core ferry fans really cares whether these boats are called 'Coastals' or 'Super Cs'. I know I don't. Either way, everyone knows they're refering to the new ferries. But, yes, it would be nice if they got the details right.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 14, 2007 11:43:34 GMT -8
The PR seems to show that they will have different designs on either side... so far the Coastal Renaissance only has pictures on one side. Is she going to get her other side covered as well.?
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 14, 2007 11:46:44 GMT -8
Ferry Geeks take great pride in knowing and keeping facts straight. However, the general public is oblivious to most of them and frankly has an intensely short attention span. To make anything stick you have to repeat repeat repeat. While I agree that the marketing people at BCF should be consistant the public doesn't even notice. All that matters is that they get the new ferries in the press as many times as they can. The biggest hope is that they will attract the attention of foreign press especially and get coverage that will boost ridership and tourism. Pushing it now means that people will consider it when they travel to BC next year and then even for the olympics.
*Typing this siting in Starbucks on Yorkville watching the celebs in town for the filmfest. So far mostly B and C level celebs but who knows who I will see. Oops too much star gazing and not enough editing. Just corrected all the typos.
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2007 12:05:55 GMT -8
Compared to trains, the media has a world of knowledge about ferries. Take a moment and look at the next railroad related story you see, basically the media's perception is that EVERY train is CP or CN, and must be carrying freight. The only time they know there's not freight is if a person is hurt.
The fact they ussually get the ship's name right is a positive sign, I think!
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 14, 2007 12:10:54 GMT -8
The designs are different for all three ships, so I suppose it is 'news' when a new design is unveiled. People on this forum seem to be excited about every little detail of the new vessels, so it's understandable that the corporate honchos are pumped as well. I don't think ferry stories are a 'running gag' in the media; it's just that probably no one outside of hard core ferry fans really cares whether these boats are called 'Coastals' or 'Super Cs'. I know I don't. Either way, everyone knows they're refering to the new ferries. But, yes, it would be nice if they got the details right. Surprise, surprise, BCFS is squeezing every last drop of mileage out of their new ships - nothing wrong with that - I know that I've got no poblem with, and would in fact encourage BCFS to get as much good international PR out of this as they can. It does interest me though how particular those same news agencies can be when referring to the specs of automobiles. I guess that's more reflective of their prevalence and prominence as a Canadian industry and as such I guess this is fitting that they get shipbuilding facts dead-wrong most of the time. After all, it doesn't take a fan - I've been called the opposite - to realize the differences between basic vehicle types and be able to spout off their names ad nauseam. All a matter of priorities eh; story of our lives.
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