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Post by Retrovision on Sept 14, 2007 12:23:58 GMT -8
Compared to trains, the media has a world of knowledge about ferries. Take a moment and look at the next railroad related story you see, basically the media's perception is that EVERY train is CP or CN, and must be carrying freight. The only time they know there's not freight is if a person is hurt. Well put, good comparison, Dane. I guess media / peoples' knowledge of such things and how they're categorized, etc., is on quite a sliding scale when you think about it. Still, though, isn't the basic goal of any unbiased news agency to try to atain complete factuality and therefore objectivity to ensure accountability (to everyone, meant rhetorically)? The fact they ussually get the ship's name right is a positive sign, I think! Hear, hear
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 14, 2007 12:46:59 GMT -8
Compared to trains, the media has a world of knowledge about ferries. Take a moment and look at the next railroad related story you see, basically the media's perception is that EVERY train is CP or CN, and must be carrying freight. The only time they know there's not freight is if a person is hurt. This most likely is due to the fact that railways long ago lost the passenger carrying market to the lure of the open road and the personal automobile. Railways now have very little contact with the public, so people don't know their names, but in the past, especially in Canada, the railways were the dominant technology as well as being tantamount to a social institution, and everyone would have known what the letters C.P.R. stood for and could have listed off the railway timetable for their local station faster than you could recall the BCFerries sailing schedule. I could go into a long tribute to the romantic age of railways, but I don't think that would really fit in this thread. Suffice it to say, that the ferries are still very much in the public eye, unlike the railways, so I suppose it's important enough to the public that the newscasters at least have to get the information correct, even if the accompanying visuals don't always match up.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 16, 2007 11:14:23 GMT -8
re the wrap designs for the Super-C-Inspiration and the Coastal Celebration:
I was pleased to see that it's not just 2010-Olympics promotions. I was surprised to see 1 graphic re Brooks Peninsula on Vancouver Island, and another graphic re Kootenay National Park.
Brooks Peninsula juts out on the wild west-central coast of Vancouver Island.
Kootenay National Park just might be the oft-forgotten Canadian Rocky Mountain national park, compared with Banff, Jasper, etc. (Hey Jim T., have you hiked the Rockwall Trail in Kootenay park??).
Conclusion: I was happy that it's not just Olympic-hype, but also a promotion of the Province's natural beauty.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 16, 2007 20:21:30 GMT -8
Alberta puts 'Travel Alberta' billboards on the sides of railway grain hopper cars. They are blue with gold lettering. Look for them in the port of Vancouver. If you are really lucky you may see one promoting the town of 'Carbon', as a great place to visit. I have done the Rockwall Trail in Kootenay National Park. In fact twice - once in 1982, and then again in 2004. It is a spectacular and physical 4 or 5 day trip, one of the best backpacking trips in Canada and highly recommended. Meadows between Numa Pass & Floe Lk - KNP - Aug 2004 - JST Photo
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Post by kylefossett on Sept 16, 2007 20:58:20 GMT -8
they are using the olympics to promote the rest of the province. the olympics has bc in the news and the minds of people. so why not take advantage of that for the rest of the province. this is what they are doing with the wraps on the ferries
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 16, 2007 21:10:36 GMT -8
they are using the olympics to promote the rest of the province. the olympics has bc in the news and the minds of people. so why not take advantage of that for the rest of the province. this is what they are doing with the wraps on the ferries Really, are you sure about that? I also understand that terrorism is bad for tourism and Olympic Games apparently draw tourists for years to come. Apparently saturated fats are bad for you too; who knew eh?
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Post by Doug on May 14, 2005 2:16:20 GMT -8
Anyone have any ideas as to where to put the Super "C" Class ferries when they're launched? BC Ferries plans to put two on Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay and one on Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen but all ideas are welcome.
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Post by Curtis on May 14, 2005 7:38:38 GMT -8
I posted this once before but why not build a Super C overhight ferry for the Mid Island Express and make it carry the Max amount of overhight vehicles and have a upper car deck like the Newest
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Post by hergfest on May 14, 2005 9:27:05 GMT -8
They will not use a new Super C on Route 30 because they will always have the Alberni on the route, and the New West was rebuild with the Mid Island Express in mind. She has no platform decks (Unlike the other V-Class) and she has extra horsepower so she can make the crossing faster than the Alberni, turn around, and still make the same schedule. And two Super C's will be deployed to Route One, one to Route Two. They are replacing the Vancouver, Esquimalt, and Sannich, and the C-Class can't be used on Route One. They will continue to be used on Route 2 and 9.
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Post by Quinsam on May 14, 2005 13:09:46 GMT -8
When you said Super 'C' I thought you meant Super Century class like Skeena Queen.
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Post by Curtis on May 14, 2005 16:47:35 GMT -8
They will not use a new Super C on Route 30 because they will always have the Alberni on the route, and the New West was rebuild with the Mid Island Express in mind. She has no platform decks (Unlike the other V-Class) and she has extra horsepower so she can make the crossing faster than the Alberni, turn around, and still make the same schedule. And two Super C's will be deployed to Route One, one to Route Two. They are replacing the Vancouver, Esquimalt, and Sannich, and the C-Class can't be used on Route One. They will continue to be used on Route 2 and 9. First off Route 9 is Tsawwassen to the Outer Gulf Islands which goes through active pass. Second off the main thing now here's the redeployment prediction when the Super Cs arrive in Canada. (all 3) Two Super Cs put on Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay to replace the two V-Class running there. One on Hs Bay-Dep Bay to Free up the Cowichan to work on Langdale with the Coq the Oaky will be the number two vessel on Hs Bay-Dep Bay the Surrey will become the Supplementary vessel on Hs Bay-Dep Bay and relief for all the C-Class so that will probably be the plan. Anyone think im right?
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 14, 2005 21:01:31 GMT -8
I saw the New West at Tsawwassen today. She was out of service. I forgot that she was today. The Queen of Vancouver is replacing her. New West was in berth 4.
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Post by NMcKay on May 14, 2005 22:03:52 GMT -8
Umm...why would they have 2 Super C's and 2 S Class Vessels?
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Post by Ferryman on May 14, 2005 22:06:39 GMT -8
To replace the Vancouver and Saanich, that was the whole point of the new rebuild program well part of it anyway and then replace the Esquimalt on route 2/3
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Post by NMcKay on May 14, 2005 22:12:56 GMT -8
Why would they have 4 of the 5 largest vessels on the same route?
TSW -> SWB = Super C 3 + SOBC SWB -> TSW = SOVI
HSB -> DPB = Super C 1 DPB -> HSB = Super C 2
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Post by Curtis on May 14, 2005 22:38:18 GMT -8
Because it's so busy at times
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Post by Balfour on May 14, 2005 22:45:01 GMT -8
Hey HL kid, I think Route 1 would have 4 ships not 3
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Post by NMcKay on May 15, 2005 4:50:05 GMT -8
but why would they need 4? the extra capacity would more than make up for it. i was thinking that it might work better, having one ship sailing @ all times.
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 15, 2005 8:13:00 GMT -8
Route 1 is the busiest mainland route. Why would they have 4 ships on the run in the summer, two during off season, plus Saanich as the extra all year. Route 2 only has two ships all year round except during the summer when there is 3 during the busy periods. Route 30 always 2 ships, never had 3 on the run, I dont think. Check out these two photos I took last night on the SOBC 7pm sailing from Tsawwassen, Saturday night. Not even full! I have no idea about the upper vehicle deck if it's full. Actually yes there were vehicles up there. piritofritisholumbiahotos.fotopic.net/c482205_37.html
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Post by NMcKay on May 15, 2005 15:54:14 GMT -8
thats the problem, they have too much ferry and not enough demand, i think 1 super C would fix the problem of vessels.
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Post by Dane on May 15, 2005 16:16:23 GMT -8
Actually the earlier poster is the most accurate of you all. There was, and is still talks of plans to have Salt Spring receive a new dock to allow a V class to serve when the Super Cs are built. The V Class will stick around for a relativly short period with the arrival of the Super Cs, as you may notice with their current retirment dates.
Route 1 requires 4 ships for a few reasons 1) even with 4 ships, taking an average of 300 vehicles per sailing there is still huge overloads. Having an average of 375 (the increase in capacity ship redeployment will have) will not give the route "Over capacity." It's the most profitable route, so they should keep doing what they're doing. 2) Service effectivly needs to be hourly to allow tourism/indistry to flow in conjuction with exasterbated summer peak demands.
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Post by Curtis on May 15, 2005 16:52:36 GMT -8
Probably the Busiest times on route one... actually all the major routes are Christmas time, Spring Break, any time during the summer, (early, mid-day, or evening sailings) Labour Day long weakend (A.K.A. the end of summer), or a long weakend such as Victoria Day
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Post by Doug on May 15, 2005 17:09:38 GMT -8
In the low season, the two ferries combined on Route 1 have a capacity for 940 cars, whereas Route 2 has a capacity for 724 cars (smaller cars). In the high season on Route 1 there is a capacity for 1,616 cars with sailings every hour. On Route 2, on the high season, there is a capacity for 1,086 cars and sailings only leave every two hours plus additional sailings throughout the day which don't load up and leave right after unloading at the terminal. There is sailing waits on both routes close to the same and you're saying reduce the sailings and capacity on Route 1 to add unnecessary sailings on Route 2? If they were to have three ferries on Route 1, there would be a capacity for 1,310 cars, which is less than it carries now. Averagely, Route 1 carries about 800 cars from each side every two hours in the summer whereas Route 2 only carries about 300 or maybe 600 if an additional sailing is going. So to conclude, three vessels on Route 1 in the summer is BS.
Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay:Spirit of British Columbia summer: Queen of Surrey Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen: Spirit of Vancouver Island summer: Super "C"
Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay: Super "C" Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay: Super "C" summer: Queen of Oak Bay
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Post by Dane on May 15, 2005 20:48:03 GMT -8
Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay:Spirit of British Columbia summer: Queen of Surrey Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen: Spirit of Vancouver Island summer: Super "C" Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay: Super "C" Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay: Super "C" summer: Queen of Oak Bay Yup, that seems perfect. Coquitlam to Langdale, and Cowichan as an overload for Horshoe Bay routes, and spare for Route 1 and 30 refit periods.
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Post by hergfest on May 16, 2005 2:01:25 GMT -8
I thought it was mentioned here that the C-Class (i.e. Queen of Surrey) were not allowed to operate in Active Pass, meaning the Surrey would be on Route 2 and two Super Cs would be on Route 1.
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