New Vessel Placement

[Mike C]

I have a suggestion for vessel placements:

Routes are as follows;
Bowen Queen: 5
Howe Sond Queen: 6
Kahloke: 25
Klitsa: 20
Kwuna: 26
Mayne Queen: 5
Nimpkish: 12 (fall winter summer) Central Coast (spring)
Mill Bay: 12 (spring only)
NIP: 22
PR Queen: 4
Quadra Queen II: 18 (spring, summer)
Queen of Alberni: 3
Queen of Burnaby: 7 (spring summer)
Queen of Capilano: 8
Queen of Chilliwack: 40 (spring, summer)
Queen of Coquitlam: 30 (spring summer)
Queen of Cowichan: 2
Queen of Cumberland: 9 (spring and summer) 7 (fall winter)
Queen of Esquimalt: 30
Queen of Nanaimo: 9 (spring summer) PR-Comox-Texada (fall winter)
Queen of NW: 30
Queen of the North: 10 (spring summer) 9 (fall winter)
Queen of Oak Bay 2
Queen of Prince Rupert: 11
Queen of Saanich: 1
Queen of Surrey: 2
Queen of Tsawwassen: 17 (spring summer)
Queen of Vancouver: 1
Quinitsa: 21
Quinsam: 19
Skeena Queen: 23
Spirit of BC: 1
Spirit of VI: 1
Tachek: 18 (spring summer)
Tenaka: 24

[Ferryman]

I don't even know half of those route numbers , just the basics though.

[Koastal Karl]

Please use the routes and not the numbers as everyone dosent know every route number. I only know routes, 1, 2, 3, 5, 9, 30 ect..

[Quinsam]

Glad to see Quinsam is still in it's place, but the mill bay route should like this.
Mill Bay: Winter, Spring,
Nimpkish: ,Summer, Autumn, Winter
Both vessels in winter because that will double capacity, but yes a car park is needed at Brentwood Bay. Maybe the place where the iron shed rusted and burnt down about a year ago?

[Dane]

John has the routes posted
www.geocities.com/ferries_bc/routes_bcf.html

And do I agree.....

No.

The Queen of Alberni is where it is because of the large amount of truck space needed, and the lack of passenger space. It used to be on Route 3, that did not work.

The Queen of Esquimalt being on Route 30 does not make much sense, either. All you would create is an overserved Route 30 (with a wierd sch. to accomodate a third slower boat), and underserved Route 3.

There's no need to remove the Mill Bay, really.

Queen of Tsawwassen to Comox while having a larger vessel serve Earl's Cove doesn't make much sense either. (In the summer, as you've listed)

Queen of the North cannot serve the Southern Gulf Islands effectivly

The Tachek is too small for Powell River as a full time vessel lasting two seasons. It can barely handle back up duties as such.

The Kahloke would probbaly capsize of Route 25.

The placement of the NIP doesn't really make any sense, either. What's your justification for that?

[Ferryman]

This is my prediction for the rest of this year:

Route 1: Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay
-Spirit of British Columbia (Primary, Tsawwassen)
-Spirit of Vancouver Island (Primary, Swartz Bay)
-Queen of Vancouver (Secondary, Tsawwassen)
-Queen of Saanich (Secondary, Swartz Bay)

Route 2: Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay
-Queen of Oak Bay (Primary, Departure Bay)
-Queen of Surrey (Primary, Horseshoe Bay)
-Queen of Cowichan (Secondary, Departure Bay)

Route 3: Horseshoe Bay-Langdale
-Queen of Coquitlam (Primary, Langdale)
-Queen of Esquimalt (Secondary, Langdale)
-Bowen Queen (Secondary, Langdale, when the Queen of Esquimalt is unavailable)

Route 4: Swartz Bay-Fulford Harbour
-Skeena Queen (Primary, Fulford Harbour)

Route 5: Swartz Bay-Southern Gulf Islands
-Mayne Queen (Primary, Swartz Bay)
-Queen of Cumberland (Primary, Swartz Bay)

Route 6: Crofton-Vesuvius
-Howe Sound Queen (Primary, Vesuvius)

Route 7: Earls Cove-Saltery Bay
-Queen of Chilliwack (Saltery Bay, Winter, Primary)
-Queen of Tsawwassen (Saltery Bay, Summer, Primary)

Route 8: Horseshoe Bay-Bowen Island
-Queen of Capilano (Primary, Bowen Island)

Route 9: Tsawwassen-Southern Gulf Islands
-Queen of Nanaimo (Primary, Saltspring Island)
-Bowen Queen (Secondary, Tsawwassen, Summer)

Route 10: Port Hardy-Prince Rupert
-Queen of the North (Primary, either Prince Rupert or Port Hardy)

Route 11: Prince Rupert-Skidegate-Port Hardy
-Queen of Prince Rupert (Primary, Any of the stops along the way)

Route 12: Brentwood Bay-Mill Bay
-Mill Bay (Primary, Brentwood Bay)

Route 17: Powell River-Comox
-Queen of Burnaby (Primary, Comox)

Route 18: Powell River-Texada Island
-North Island Princess (Primary, Texada Island)

Route 19: Nanaimo Harbour-Gabriola Island
-Quinsam (Primary, Gabriola Island)

Route 20: Chemainus-Thetis Island-Kuper Island
-Kahloke (Primary, Winter)
-Klitsa (Primary, Summer)

Route 21: Buckley Bay-Denman Island
-Quinitsa (Primary, Denman Island)

Route 22: Denman Island-Hornby Island
-Tachek (Primary, Hornby Island, Winter)
-Kahloke (Primary, Hornby Island, Summer)

Route 23: Campbell River-Quadra Island
-Powell River Queen (Primary, Quadra Island)

Route 24: Quadra Island-Cortes Island
-Tenaka (Primary, Cortes Island)

Route 25: Port Mcneill-Cormorant Island-Malcom Island
-Quadra Queen II (Primary, Comorant Island)

Route 26: Alliford Bay-Skidegate
-Kwuna (Primary, Alliford Bay)

Route 30: Tsawwassen-Duke Point
-Queen of New Westminster (Primary, Tsawwassen)
-Queen of Alberni (Primary, Duke Point)

Route 40: Discovery Coast
-Queen of Chilliwack (Primary, Any stops on the way, Summer only)

Ferries left over:
Nimpkish
John Atlantic Burr

[ferrytraveller]

add as a spare the tachek

[Curtis]

I'd say the same assignments as last year. Route 18 and 17 assignments are totally pointless.

[Doug]

Why is that...?

[Koastal Karl]

Can anyone tell me why the route# go from 26 to 30 to 40??? Whey dont they just callroute 30 and 40, 27 and 28? Dosent make sense.

[Deleted]

You're going to have 2 boats on Powell River - Texada? And the Queen of the North on Route 9 in the Winter?? And why is the Tsawwassen on Comox - Powell River, too small to be on there in the Summer. Other than that I like most of the vessel placements. Espically the PRQ on Route 4 and the Skeena on Route 23.

[Mike C]

I made up schedules, too lol. If you want me to post them, I can.

I noticed most of you disagree with the idea of having two vessels on Texada-PR. The reason is that I read a post earlier (I Think it was from JCA Christian, I'm not sure) talking about Texada residents wanting a bigger ferry, that holds 50-75 cars. The Tachek and the Quadra Queen II both hold about 30 cars, and around 244-293 passengers. This will provide fairly good service, every hour, on the hour (except after 4pm, which conflicts with the boat to Comox). Overall, this will serve Texada well, having 60 cars being moved in total, right in their range.

Also, some arguement about the Queen of Tsawwassen on route 17. After riding the Queen of Burnaby all seasone, regularly, it never seems to be full. However, you put the Queen of Sidney on the route, everything seems to work out fine. An example of this is when I was in PR for the day, after driving the Sunshine Coast, there were 4 cars on the boat to Comox. 4 out of 192. Interesting, eh? And there was a sailing wait at Earls Cove because the Queen of Tsawwassen was to small.

Also note, I got no feedback from you guys on whether you liked my idea on having the Nanaimo run from Texada-PR-Comox-Texada in the winter time. I put the Nanny on because the vessel would have to be bigger to serve all 3 ports of call.

If you were observant (I'm not saying your not) you would have noticed I put the Queen of Cumberland on Earls Cove-Saltery Bay. It exceeds the amount of cars of the Queen of Chilliwack.

I'd like your opinion please on all of these things (if you don't mind).

[Quinsam]

Not too sure about those, I like the Cumberland on Route 5, but maybe, the Tsawwassen on PR-Comox-Texada? Then that would be good idea, then the Burnaby can replace the Tsawwassen on the Jervis inlet run, and leave the Nanaimo where she is???

[Retrovision]

welwyn said:

...but maybe, the Tsawwassen on PR-Comox-Texada?

I wish, but I don't think so, unfortunately. She's due for retirement >coughscrappingcough<, and based on the PR implications of the acuity of those fire-windows they just put in, they seem to have no intention on trying to keep her.

[Quinsam]

Wha's the probleam?

[Ferryman]

The Tsawwassen has the same fate as the Sidney ahead of her, is what he's saying...

[Retrovision]

welwyn said:

Wha's the probleam?

tsawwassenterminal said:

...based on the PR implications of the acuity of those fire-windows they just put in, they seem to have no intention on trying to keep her.

Basically, in a word, they (the windows) suck; they put as little money into them as possible while still keeping-up with TC's minimum requirements (I'm assuming)

[Retrovision]

ferryman said:

The Tsawwassen has the same fate as the Sidney ahead of her, is what he's saying...

Yup; you don't put money into things that you aren't going to keep, and how much did they put into those windows?

[Quinsam]

I mean the problem with the windows, who put's the money into them? And how much does she cost annually?

[Ferryman]

I heard just one of those windows go for a grand a piece. So I'd estimate there was about 20-40 windows that they replaced maybe. So you're looking at around $20,000-$40,000 worth of windows. You could buy a pretty nice car for that price!

[Doug]

Actually they are eight grand a piece...so you better learn the facts better when you say "they put as little money into them as possible while still keeping-up with TC's minimum requirements", Graham.

[Mike C]

tsawwassenterminal said:

ferryman said:

The Tsawwassen has the same fate as the Sidney ahead of her, is what he's saying...

Yup; you don't put money into things that you aren't going to keep, and how much did they put into those windows?

They are going to replace the Tsawwassen, as opposed to the Sidney, you know... They already invested in a new vessel... You probably already know this...

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dougubell said:

Actually they are eight grand a piece...so you better learn the facts better when you say "they put as little money into them as possible while still keeping-up with TC's minimum requirements", Graham.

Actually I was estimating, based on what I've heard, around 10 G's each. Still, compared to other ships in the fleet that have recieved similar windows, the vision out of the the fire-windows of the Queen of Tsawwassen, for the typical (let alone elderly) passenger, is deplorable. Take a trip with the Queen of Tsawwassen and you'll see.

[Ferryman]

The C-Class are equiped with the same windows in the areas below the two zodiaks. They are as horrible to look through, as they are on the Tsawwassen. But I don't know if the Tsawwassen has the little black dots all over them like on the C's. But oh well, it's better to have those windows, than no windows at all. Or if you're trying to evacuate the ship, and the ferry doesn't have the fire windows in the area you have to walk down on the outside of the ship when the fire is, and all of the heat makes the windows explode all over you. So it depends which view you look at it.

[Retrovision]

ferryman said:

But I don't know if the Tsawwassen has the little black dots all over them like on the C's.

are you talking about the old C's or the new (as in pre-mid-life or post)?

ferryman said:

But oh well, it's better to have those windows, than no windows at all.

You know, I was thinking that same thought recently.