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Post by landlocked on Mar 15, 2007 14:33:10 GMT -8
How is the Kuper significantly larger than a K Class? The specs are as follows: Kahloke - 54.7 X 14.2 X 2.87 M - 30 Cars Kuper - 49.5 X 16.2 X 2.9M - 32 AEQ How does 2 more cars justify more crew? So we go with 6 man crew. The Quinsam only has 7, I believe, again, take a look at this ship running in Puget Sound www.nicholsboats.com/christine_anderson.htmShe runs around all day with a 2/3 man crew, and a boat half it's size needs 6? ?, or to quote TC 8 to 11. What's going on??
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Post by kylefossett on Mar 15, 2007 14:53:03 GMT -8
Surely with new vessels - engine rooms now have a automatic fire fighting system - and these engine room's for this size of vessel are on the small size any way. The crewing demands do seem a bit over the top on the TC point of view - so what has BC Ferries done to upset them so much that they are demanding such a large crew number? It appears that the Kuper is been used as a pawn in a much bigger game between BC Ferries and TC. So what is the end game that TC hope to achieve? Plus what has caused this possible fall out? i feel safer knowing that there is a person manning a fire hose and that we are not relying on a computer or automated system to put the fire out
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Post by Neil on Mar 15, 2007 16:39:13 GMT -8
Landlocked: the link you posted shows the Christine Anderson operating with a crew of six. What's correct?
In any event, Pierce County (owner of the ferry) contracts the operation out to a company which prides itself on operating with as few staff as possible. (Hornblower Marine). Operating a car ferry with a capacity of two or three hundred people, and a crew of two or three, might seem like a good idea to a proprietor trying to sail by the skin of his teeth, but I really doubt too many of the travelling public would agree. It would be good if you could provide us with examples of other systems which operate with virtually no crew. CalMac in Scotland has a lot of smaller vessels operating short routes in relatively sheltered waters- perhaps cascade has some information on their crewing levels.
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 15, 2007 17:55:02 GMT -8
TC and the CRTC have nothing in common. No? They aren't both Canadian governmental regulators of fundemental services? I agree, the Q on N incident should give us all a wake up. 2 of 49 pax were lost. That would be 2 out of 101, btw. How is the Kuper significantly larger than a K Class? I think that Gunny was referring to the size of the majority of K Class vessels in BC's southern waters, the Klitsa, Kuleet and Klatawa, the latter 2 operating on the Fraser River at Albion until 2009 or so when the Golden Ears Bridge opens and when BCFS is speculated to acquire the two ferries.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 16, 2007 14:19:16 GMT -8
And I think someone's looking at the wrong end of the horse here, by the way, with regards to the Christine Anderson--while 11 for the Kuper would leave room for nobody else to stand, I also feel that two for the Christine is severely undermanned. In the event of emergency you might have time to evacuate, but only if the passengers agree to help with the evacuation.
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Post by Curtis on Mar 22, 2007 17:42:15 GMT -8
What is the current position on the Kuper? As of 6 Hours Ago, She was sitting at Allied Shipyards. Still no knowledge of when she's going into service.
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Post by Queen of Vancouver on Mar 30, 2007 14:50:33 GMT -8
M.V Kuper is to start service on saturday March 31.
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Post by Kam on Mar 30, 2007 14:53:09 GMT -8
Thats perfect!
I'll be down that way tomorow!
perfect time for a round trip :-)
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Post by Queen of Vancouver on Mar 30, 2007 14:57:17 GMT -8
It is to leave Thetis Island at 6:25am.
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Post by Curtis on Mar 30, 2007 15:19:36 GMT -8
M.V Kuper is to start service on saturday March 31. Great! The same first day of service as the Northern Adventure.
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Post by Scott on Mar 30, 2007 23:24:45 GMT -8
Good news. I shall now exercise my administrative powers to change the title of this thread from "Kuper in Serivce?" to "Kuper in Service!"
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Post by Gunny on Mar 31, 2007 0:24:04 GMT -8
A gold star to anyone who can tell me why service starts with both these boats tomorrow... as opposed to say April.
Accountants only get silver stars, unless I am wrong
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Post by Curtis on Mar 31, 2007 10:28:47 GMT -8
Guess who's Running Late Not Even a Day into Full Service!! Sailing Delay: MV Kuper Posted March 31, 2007 Chemainus - Thetis Island - Kuper IslandThe Kuper is running approximately 50 min. behind schedule due to an operational issue. It is expected that the vessel will make up some of this time later this morning. BC Ferries apologizes to our customers for any inconvenience experienced as a result of this delay.
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Post by Scott on Mar 31, 2007 14:17:24 GMT -8
Funny. BC Ferries news releases sound like NHL hockey teams nearing the playoffs. An "upper body injury" or a "general body injury" - With BC Ferries it's an "operational issue".
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Post by North Islander on Mar 31, 2007 15:45:46 GMT -8
Launch today because it's the company's year end? And they can write it off over the whole year, kind of like a New Year's Even wedding get you a whole year of deductions? (Not that I set my own date on such a crass basis, of course.)
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Post by Scott on Mar 31, 2007 16:52:46 GMT -8
So will they pull it out of service tomorrow because of the silly Transport Canada crewing requirements? Or is that all settled now too?
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Post by Curtis on Mar 31, 2007 18:19:03 GMT -8
So will they pull it out of service tomorrow because of the silly Transport Canada crewing requirements? Or is that all settled now too? It had better be okay to sail. Cause it would be annoying if it had to go back one day later. Should be there for the remainder of 2007.
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Post by Gunny on Mar 31, 2007 22:19:40 GMT -8
N. Islander got what I was getting at, for both the Nor-Ad and Kuper. Gotta love GAAP.
Gunny
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Post by kylefossett on Apr 1, 2007 11:16:04 GMT -8
Guess who's Running Late Not Even a Day into Full Service!! Sailing Delay: MV Kuper Posted March 31, 2007 Chemainus - Thetis Island - Kuper IslandThe Kuper is running approximately 50 min. behind schedule due to an operational issue. It is expected that the vessel will make up some of this time later this morning. BC Ferries apologizes to our customers for any inconvenience experienced as a result of this delay. the reason for her being late yesterday morning was to do with some dock modifications that were being done through the night on friday night. they were delayed a little bit and this set back the first sailing of the morning. the delay was nothing directly to do with the new vessel.
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Post by Scott on Apr 1, 2007 12:52:39 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Apr 1, 2007 15:16:21 GMT -8
It's the Curse of the Right Angle Drive!!
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Post by Kam on Apr 1, 2007 16:12:05 GMT -8
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Apr 1, 2007 19:53:20 GMT -8
Great shots..! Thanks for those, Kam...
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Post by Curtis on Apr 2, 2007 6:49:27 GMT -8
Some More Good Shots, Kam. Was the perfect day for the Kuper to begin service.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Apr 2, 2007 16:40:16 GMT -8
Day 3 Sailing Delay - OperationalPosted April 02, 2007 Chemainus - Thetis Island - Kuper IslandUpdated at 4:45 pm Please be advised that the MV Kuper, sailing between Chemainus, Thetis Island and Kuper Island, is running 30 minutes behind schedule. We expect to be back on schedule in time for the 8:45 pm sailing departing from Chemainus Terminal. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience experienced as a result of this delay.
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