Kam
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Post by Kam on Jun 7, 2007 17:31:03 GMT -8
Hmmm.... Will the new I class fill in on the Little River to Westview run during refit season like the Tsawwassen does now?
Just wondering about the open car decks..
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Post by Mike C on Jun 7, 2007 17:36:06 GMT -8
What I was thinking (seeing they don't have any alternatives) is run the 'Wack on the run while it's away, and then when the Nanaimo's away, have the Burnaby fill in, and the Wack will fill in for the Burnaby. Got all that?
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 7, 2007 17:51:39 GMT -8
Hmmm.... Will the new I class fill in on the Little River to Westview run during refit season like the Tsawwassen does now? Just wondering about the open car decks.. As far as I know this problem would only really apply to Route 9, Tsawwassen-SGI, as the Strait of Georgia hasn't had an open decked ferry certified for the winter yet. Speaking of which, though I've mentioned it before, about 4 months ago or so it was mentioned to me by a deckhand on the Queen of Tsawwassen that the latest credible rumour of the time was that the ' Tsawwassen would be retained 'as an extra' and for 'over a year' he agreed upon my asking; though this is possibly a side note if the rumour of the ' Tsawwassen being retained as a training vessel, presumably for the in-house training program that David Hahn confirmed at the last AGM will be created, at Duke Point Terminal turns out to be true when the new 'I' Class joins the fleet.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jun 7, 2007 19:27:24 GMT -8
So, what will this ship be named? I'm hoping for Queen of Courtenay or Queen of Chemainus.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 7, 2007 20:10:54 GMT -8
In keeping with BCFS's new found talent for choosing names it is to be called the MV Inlet Serenity.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 7, 2007 20:54:42 GMT -8
It should be named Queen of Selchet.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 7, 2007 21:24:37 GMT -8
In keeping with BCFS's new found talent for choosing names it is to be called the MV Inlet Serenity. I thought we were calling it the MV Inlet Crosser
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 7, 2007 21:29:30 GMT -8
"Queen of" names will never be used, ever again. But what is a Selchet? Unless you meant to say, "Sechelt".
With the latest release of names, which was based on the First letter of their Class name, a name will be picked ressembling the letter "I". Sadly, the prefix, "Inlet" sounds like something BC Ferries would use.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 8, 2007 5:33:00 GMT -8
In keeping with BCFS's new found talent for choosing names it is to be called the MV Inlet Serenity. You best better be joking! I could not find this referenced anywhere .... and I really hope it was a dose of sarcasm!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 8, 2007 6:16:43 GMT -8
In keeping with BCFS's new found talent for choosing names it is to be called the MV Inlet Serenity. You best better be joking! I could not find this referenced anywhere .... and I really hope it was a dose of sarcasm! All part of getting to know each other. Here's a historical post (from Gunther) to give you some context: =============================== BC FERRIES ANNOUNCES NAME OF NEW INTERMEDIATE VESSEL - Introducing the Inlet Crosser–
VICTORIA – BC Ferries is pleased to announce that it has selected the name for the new Intermediate Vessel which was recently laid down.
BC Ferries has decided that the new intermediate vessel planned for the Earls Cove – Saltery Bay route will bear the inlet family name to emphasis the unique nature of the route. The vessel in the series will be named Inlet Crosser to exhibit the vital role BC Ferries has in crossing bodies of water.
“Our ferries have been crossing bodies of water for a long time,” said David L. Hahn, President and CEO. “Especially inlets, we thought that now would be a good time to recognize this fact.”
BC Ferries has also released the name of the next vessel in the inlet series.
“We have decided to name the next inlet series vessel the Inlet Traveler, and it has been earmarked for the Mill Bay – Brentwood Bay route, which is currently served by the oldest vessel in the fleet,” remarked Mr. Hahn.
"Although B.C. Ferries has not picked good names recently, if you seriously believed this, then you maybe gullible," User Gunther of the BC Ferries Forums noted.
Media Contact: Not BC Ferries, Communications Victoria: (250) 555-5555 =========================== That post, along with WCK's whit, resulted in the "Inlet Serenity" name....another long running gag, similar to "Queen of Richmond", but less spoken-of. So yes, this is sarcasm. Now that I've said this, it's time for little "Kieren H." to post and ask for pictures of the Inlet Serenity.
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Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Jun 8, 2007 13:53:28 GMT -8
Just to note:
There don't seem to be any recent news releases on the BCF website regarding naming the new vessel.
So I think we can be pretty sure, as Comox-Queen has informed us, that this vessel name is most likely not a historical fact... yet.
You never know... David Hahn might have someone reading this forum to see what is being said, to determine if someone comes up with a good name for the new ferry.
There has seemed to be some lack of creativity in the naming department of late. The "Queens" of BC have been a part of life for so long in BC... I wonder if the current movers and shakers of BCFerries really want to be responsible with breaking such an enduring tradition.
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Post by Taxman on Jun 8, 2007 16:01:26 GMT -8
Yup, I wrote that on a bored day... I sure hope I didn't give BC Ferries any idea. I wouldn't be surprised if we did get a new "I" prefix, or a prefix-less boat, possibly a geographic name, a la the Kuper.
Remember the success of the First Prefixed Class on the Coast, I hope the Coastals and "I"s do better.
I think a good (and more universal prefix) for intermediate sized ships would be "Island"
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Post by Curtis on Jun 8, 2007 17:47:11 GMT -8
possibly a geographic name, a la the Kuper. MV Jervis, After Jervis Inlet, Though there was a Jervis Queen Before. MV Nelson, After Nelson Island, You go along the Shoreline of the Island on this route. MV Sechelt, After the Peninsula, Not Just the Town, Though there was a Sechelt Queen. MV Sunshine [Coast], Obvious Reasons MV Gibsons, Obvious Reasons MV Malaspina, The Strait between Powell River, Texada, and Harwood Island. MV Powell, Obvious Reasons There's My Suggestions.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 8, 2007 17:58:24 GMT -8
The name "Malaspina" is already taken by an AMHS blue-canoe ship.
re the I-Class name: I'm stumped while thinking about this. The ships is a "1-off", not a series, so I can't see BCFS starting a new naming-theme for this one.
I also think that they won't continue to use the "Queen" theme that already exists.
I suppose that leaves them with a local place name.....but they've surprised & disappointed us before with names, and so who knows what it will be this time.
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Post by Dane on Jun 8, 2007 19:00:37 GMT -8
I could be totally out to left field, but isn't this I to be a demo for more I's? That said, the Skeena was too
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Post by Mike C on Jun 8, 2007 19:40:12 GMT -8
A demo!!?? How many more are they planning to make???
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Post by Curtis on Jun 8, 2007 23:43:11 GMT -8
There could be many more after this, I say this would solve a few problems on the List Below. So I now present my Crazy 12:43 List/Rant.
#1. Powell River Class Replacement, Sometime in 10 Years it's going to happen. I'd say ships of these designs will come in to replace the original Backbone of intermidiate ferry routes.
#2. Capacity Issues, Is the Addition of about 50 cars going to stop the congestion on the Islands Bowen, Gabriola, Saltspring, and Quadra, as well as routes 5, 7, and 9...A?...Maybe for a few years,
then the Plague of overloads comes back and two new souped up ferries come in 30 years younger and with tons more mechanical issues then they try building 3 vessels that turns out to one and finally they Build a new demo ship to replace a 40-Something Vessel that looks nothing like the ferries that looked like that before it...And the Process Repeats itself. And then Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah............Okay, continuing on...
#3, Queen of Sidney, Have we ever heard about a replacement vessel for the Sidney......Other than the Queen of Burnaby?? I'd say another "I" Vessel would do good.
Oh, and replacements for the Burnaby and Nanaimo, Totally Different Story...All I think is that there should be three of them since the New West is a whole new category now and we should get a third one like before the New West was lifted.
#4, Sisters United...Sort Of, If we had a mini fleet of these vessels it would help Routes...5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 19, and 23 as well as Two Extra for Relief Purposes. However, I doubt BCFS would make 9 Vessels exactly the Same, so Variety is needed.
And #5, Shutting My Bow Door Up, You should get what I'm saying here. Just Don't mention the Stern Door, We should all know what I'm trying to say...Apropriatly. Just Don't say @$$...D'oh I'm getting Way outta Hand now. Better Shut the Bow Door For tonight then.
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Post by Scott on Jun 9, 2007 8:07:03 GMT -8
The Cap/Cumbie problems were specifically related to the RADs, and the company that made the initial purchase RADs isn't even making them anymore, let alone the fact I believe they're out of business (hense the lack of replacements). There are other"problems". For some reason the Capilano and Cumberland have higher crew requirements than vessels of similar size and design. The Powell River Queen carries 400 passengers and 70 cars. The Queen of Capilano carries 445 passengers and 85 cars. So for the extra 45 passengers and 15 cars, the Capilano needs 10-14 crew members for the PRQ's 6. The gross tonnage for the Queen of Capilano is almost twice that of the Powell River Queen and the Queen of Capilano has almost twice the horsepower of the Powell River Queen. Interestingly, they both have very similar service speeds. For these reasons, I think the Bowen Island residents have argued that two smaller boats would provide the same service as one slightly larger boat that costs twice as much to run and has had a history of mechanical and operational issues. So I think Flugel Horn raises some good questions and I hope BC Ferries has put some thought into improving the design of the I class ship.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 9, 2007 9:02:58 GMT -8
At Flensberger, there's been much publicity made about the fuel-efficiency innovations used, such as the variable-pitch propeller on the "bow" end, and the scenario testing for traversing Active Pass.
Here in BC, we haven't heard anything of fuel-efficiency innovations or navigational scenarios for the I-Pod.
Maybe that's just because the local BC shipyard(s) don't have a communication system to trumpet their achievements. But wouldn't you think that the spin-meisters at BCFS would be wanting to trumpet the great design innovations that their new I-Pod ship will include?
For a ferry service company so intent on spin, they've been pretty quiet on the "I". Maybe it's that they don't want to acknowledge problems with the Cap/Cumbie and Skeena ships. But does that mean that they've considered the problems or issues or challenges (take your pick of the word) of previous mid-size ships in the fleet, and incorporated strategies in the I-Pod's design to avoid those other ships' problems?
I hope so. Maybe Flensberger has spoiled us, in the PR/information department.....
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Post by Dane on Jun 9, 2007 12:25:23 GMT -8
The Cap/Cumbie problems were specifically related to the RADs, and the company that made the initial purchase RADs isn't even making them anymore, let alone the fact I believe they're out of business (hense the lack of replacements). There are other"problems". For some reason the Capilano and Cumberland have higher crew requirements than vessels of similar size and design. The Powell River Queen carries 400 passengers and 70 cars. The Queen of Capilano carries 445 passengers and 85 cars. So for the extra 45 passengers and 15 cars, the Capilano needs 10-14 crew members for the PRQ's 6. The gross tonnage for the Queen of Capilano is almost twice that of the Powell River Queen and the Queen of Capilano has almost twice the horsepower of the Powell River Queen. Interestingly, they both have very similar service speeds. For these reasons, I think the Bowen Island residents have argued that two smaller boats would provide the same service as one slightly larger boat that costs twice as much to run and has had a history of mechanical and operational issues. So I think Flugel Horn raises some good questions and I hope BC Ferries has put some thought into improving the design of the I class ship. The Cap/Cumb can cross open water, and are considerably more "versatile" in their use, comparing the Bowen Queen to the Queen of Capilano is similar to comparing the Queen of Vancouver to the Spirit of British Columbia; generally the same idea in general design but one vessel is inetnionally built to be able to serve more purposes better. Also, after further inquiry the Cap/Cumb operate on an almost continuious higher license than the Bowen, the numbers posted for the Cap/Cumb are too high for equivelant licenses to be compared. Again, horsepower just goes up with every new vessel. The Spirits have about 175% more HP than the Vs, but only weigh about 100% more. (Edit to add: The S/V also have the same service speed)
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Post by blackshadow on Jun 10, 2007 7:59:37 GMT -8
Fugel Horn call you prove your claims FSG "bow" propellor and design faults of Cap and Skeena.
Variable pitch propellors have been in use for some time now. The propellor on new super C is same as the ones on C class now. There isn't anything special FSG doing better with the propellor, it is whole ship design.
The number of crew size isn't all to do with passenger numbers there are other factors, ship's layout, machinery and layout and where vessel operates, just a few off the head. O yes horsepower.
The horsepower of vessel isn't so much on size of vessel. It hull efficiency, what service owner/operate wants and where/how operate the vessel. Spirits can have much less horsepower but service be much less and docking much more interesting.
With new age of computers makes ships today are much more efficient that ships in the past. Write carefully in what our man germany writes. There are clues in his writtings.
By the way. There is Super Size media for super C this is reason you didn't hear to much of the I-POD. I know tons of about I-Pod but I can not prove it in writtingand some things not so good (possible 2 months be hide schedule) and some great. Interesting to know, you think Skeena is wrong design then you don't what know where I-POD gets its hull form from and Capie's accomadation.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 10, 2007 11:50:02 GMT -8
Fugel Horn call you prove your claims FSG "bow" propellor and design faults of Cap and Skeena. ............. Interesting to know, you think Skeena is wrong design then you don't what know where I-POD gets its hull form from and Capie's accomadation. I can't "prove" anything, nor am I interested in trying to. However, I am interested in discussing issues, and in having my viewpoint understood, and for me to also understand other people's viewpoints too. There's lots of stuff that I, and others, don't know. That's why I like this forum, because it's a good place to share our ideas and thoughts. I don't really understand the point of your post. Are you chastising, or are you explaining the I-Class ship? I am interested in learning more about the new I-Class ship. If you have info re the questions that I've asked, then please answer. Thanks
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Post by queenofcowichan on Jun 10, 2007 12:14:10 GMT -8
Neither, BC Ferries is doing away with the Queen of or SPirit of Prefix.
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Post by Scott on Jun 10, 2007 18:41:53 GMT -8
The Cap/Cumb can cross open water, and are considerably more "versatile" in their use, comparing the Bowen Queen to the Queen of Capilano is similar to comparing the Queen of Vancouver to the Spirit of British Columbia; generally the same idea in general design but one vessel is inetnionally built to be able to serve more purposes better. Also, after further inquiry the Cap/Cumb operate on an almost continuious higher license than the Bowen, the numbers posted for the Cap/Cumb are too high for equivelant licenses to be compared. Again, horsepower just goes up with every new vessel. The Spirits have about 175% more HP than the Vs, but only weigh about 100% more. (Edit to add: The S/V also have the same service speed) Dane, you made some good points. However, I see little evidence that the Queen of Capilano and Queen of Cumberland are more versatile or better ships than the old Powell River class. Both of them are annually replaced by the PR class ships and neither of them have ever operated in open waters before. The closest I know of is the Queen of Capilano on the Jervis Inlet run - which didn't work out. Hopefully the design is more versatile than it seems it is. BTW - where do you get the information on lisence numbers and crew levels? I don't really have a lot of that information at my fingertips:)
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Post by DENelson83 on Jun 10, 2007 21:42:06 GMT -8
Neither, BC Ferries is doing away with the Queen of or SPirit of Prefix. That's just wrong. The "Queen of" naming convention is a tradition here in B.C. Wacky Bennett must be rolling in his grave.
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