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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2007 12:45:25 GMT -8
Here's a dedicated thread for all things "NorEx" during her newbuild period.
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Post by Curtis on Sept 3, 2007 15:09:51 GMT -8
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 3, 2007 16:59:24 GMT -8
Just to repeat too so it is in one place. There is a brochure on the NorEx on www.fsg-ship.de under Our Products, Ropax 600. If you click on the data sheet you will see it with composite pics of what she may look like. The pics are not of the actual ship or the interior design that will finally be seen. However the deck plans are fascinating.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Sept 3, 2007 20:41:44 GMT -8
OK, I see it is time to open a new album in my picasa: picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/NorthernExpeditionYou see three model photos (we built a model, photographed it and pasted the picture in the "old" background) and we cut the silhouette of NorEx on steel, painted it and put it at the FSG entrance. So every morning I see the vessel and I remember that there are still some minor things to do with that vessel. BTW, steel cutting for the NorEx is on September, 12th, 2007 (Wednesday next week!!).
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Post by oceaneer77 on Sept 3, 2007 20:56:54 GMT -8
Thanks Herrbrinkmann
The model looks quite good and is most definatly better looking than the northren adventure!
On a side note you have one pic in your gallery of the northren explorer and a strikingly similar vessel in the background... Do you know sone thing we dont? or is this just good fishing on FSGs part.. In any event i hope you build 2
oceaneer77
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2007 21:03:55 GMT -8
Thanks Herrbrinkmann On a side note you have one pic in your gallery of the northren explorer and a strikingly similar vessel in the background... Do you know sone thing we dont? or is this just good fishing on FSGs part.. In any event i hope you build 2 In a recent official report by BCFS or by the Commissioner (I forget which), the decision on the "Northern Discovery" won't be made until the next ferry-service-term. That would be in another 4 years time. So a decision won't be made in the next 4 years. I can't see them spending big newbuild money on a summer-only route which loses money.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Sept 3, 2007 21:24:44 GMT -8
As I made the photo collage for the offer, I pasted the model in the foreground and in the original picture I used, there was another ferry in the background. I thought it would make sense to have two BCF vessels in the picture. So this was just designers phantasy (mine ) From what I know BCF only wants one Northern Expedition - unfortunately - as I think it would be better two have two identical vessels on the routes...
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Post by ferryrider42 on Sept 3, 2007 21:35:49 GMT -8
Probally, but you can only have one flagship That NorEx has some might big shoes to fill. We do expect it to become the flagship right?
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Post by Kam on Sept 4, 2007 13:55:04 GMT -8
One thing that strikes me is that the Northern Expedition has some general similarities to the Northern Adventure. Namely her funnel is the same general shape as well as her stern has the same rounded look.
I was wondering if that was deliberate? Perhaps to keep the two ships looking sort of similar?
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 4, 2007 14:26:30 GMT -8
Is that a stern-thruster that I see? picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/NorthernExpedition/photo#5106203534593428306As I made the photo collage for the offer, I pasted the model in the foreground and in the original picture I used, there was another ferry in the background. I thought it would make sense to have two BCF vessels in the picture. So this was just designers phantasy (mine ) From what I know BCF only wants one Northern Expedition - unfortunately - as I think it would be better two have two identical vessels on the routes... Very nice, thank you, Markus, for your efforts - they seem to never turn out as anything less than stunning. I seem to remember something about a Finnish yard also being in the running. I agree that one yard building the same vessel class is not only ideal but I'd argue worth the added costs associated with one contractor's exclusive proprietary rights. Comparatively a good way to think of these costs is why Vancouver recently didn't go with their only rapid transit technology so-far used, SkyTrain, as it would have pushed costs up sky high because of Bombardier's exclusive right to the technology. I'm not certain, could this be an issue here? One thing that strikes me is that the Northern Expedition has some general similarities to the Northern Adventure. Namely her funnel is the same general shape as well as her stern has the same rounded look. I was wondering if that was deliberate? Perhaps to keep the two ships looking sort of similar? And maybe that great model can also be a template for future upgrades to the NorAd (ex- Sonia), I'm thinking particularly of the absolute lack of forward observation that seems to be more than compensated enough for in the NorEx design.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Sept 4, 2007 21:00:19 GMT -8
Is that a stern-thruster that I see? picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/NorthernExpedition/photo#5106203534593428306As I made the photo collage for the offer, I pasted the model in the foreground and in the original picture I used, there was another ferry in the background. I thought it would make sense to have two BCF vessels in the picture. So this was just designers phantasy (mine ) From what I know BCF only wants one Northern Expedition - unfortunately - as I think it would be better two have two identical vessels on the routes... Very nice, thank you, Markus, for your efforts - they seem to never turn out as anything less than stunning. Yes, you are right, the vessel will have two bow and one sternthruster. You can see the General Arrangement here: www.fsg-ship.de/2product/1prod/pdf/FSG_SchiffsDB_Pax600.pdf?size=479KB
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Post by Curtis on Sept 5, 2007 7:11:33 GMT -8
These Plans look mighty nice. Thanks for showing them to us.
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Post by oceaneer77 on Sept 5, 2007 15:05:53 GMT -8
just wondering if diesel electric azipods were ever in the running for this vessel.
With the bow and stern thrusters and twin screw she be extreemly manouverable. The same result could have come from azipods... Were local conditions deemed to hard on the drives??
Thanks Oceaneer77
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Post by canukjw on Sept 5, 2007 19:38:57 GMT -8
The FSG website shows a Turkish vessel for the one after the last Super-C. So does that mean no NorEx?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 5, 2007 19:42:01 GMT -8
No, the NorEx is yard 738. The two turkish vessels are 736 and 737.
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Post by shipchandler on Sept 6, 2007 19:12:53 GMT -8
Probally, but you can only have one flagship That NorEx has some might big shoes to fill. We do expect it to become the flagship right? that`s so true ........didn`t the queen of the north come from ag- weserwerk in bremerhaven? once again there is no substitute for german engineering
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 6, 2007 19:15:18 GMT -8
Oh so true like the Volkswagons, you have to have it German made and not had its engine work exported to *cough*MEXICO*cough*
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 9, 2007 18:25:14 GMT -8
A couple of things I have noticed about the NorEx. On the new model that a picture was taken of and placed into the conceptual drawings, the paint scheme differs from the orginal mock-ups. As well there is now a circular NorAd style openning on the aft end of Deck 5. I assume these are the most accurate representations of what the ferry will look like. Secondly, none of the side decks are covered. While it looks great in the drawings that way, it means that none of the exterior stairwells are sheltered in anyway. Looks good but I am wondering how practical that is given the North Coast weather to have the stairwells so exposed. Would be a long haul to get to the back covered decks in inclement weather. On the back of the model there appears to be stairs from Deck 5 to 6, again pretty exposed. So I have a few questions. Is the aft of deck 4 reserved for crew use? Is any of the exterior of Deck 7 or the Bridge Deck open to the public? The aft area of Deck 6 looks like it will have a nice outdoor observation area similar to the Coastals with tables and deck chairs. Will it be accessible through the passageways by the crew staterooms on Deck 6 or will it be necessary to use the exterior staircases. Maybe our all knowing super sleuth German star photographer friend knows some of these answers. Ok maybe that was going overboard but any comments you can make Markus would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 14, 2007 11:34:41 GMT -8
Referring to the NorEX design... I just wanna play marine architect too...
I'm just wandering why the side decks are mostly open and uncovered, where on the Queen of the North she was lined with rows and rows of nice big windows to see out of.
No doubt it's even easier to see the scenery without a pane of glass in the way, but those open decks could get pretty damp in our notorious wet coast weather.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 14, 2007 12:11:20 GMT -8
I am one of those insane people who spend as much time on deck as possible. The trips on the Inside Passage are no exception. I would guess I spent over half my time on deck somewhere, including the covered decks on the QoftN during rain. While the crew is very good at spotting and highlighting wildlife I saw bears and whales that the bridge didn't see during those times. They are glued to the forward track of the ship. So maybe my perspective is a little different than most.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 14, 2007 13:20:48 GMT -8
just wondering if diesel electric azipods were ever in the running for this vessel. With the bow and stern thrusters and twin screw she be extreemly manouverable. The same result could have come from azipods... Were local conditions deemed to hard on the drives?? Thanks Oceaneer77 I've been wondering the same about different concepts considered for our newbuilds. Thanks for asking, Oceaneer77.
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Post by stvfishy on Sept 16, 2007 14:12:04 GMT -8
BTW, steel cutting for the NorEx is on September, 12th, 2007 (Wednesday next week!!). Confirmed? Did it Happen? Haven't heard. No listing on FSG's " RoRo's grow" page for Yard 738.
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Post by stvfishy on Sept 16, 2007 19:10:32 GMT -8
In response to my post earlier today: BTW, steel cutting for the NorEx is on September, 12th, 2007 (Wednesday next week!!). Confirmed? Did it Happen? Haven't heard. No listing on FSG's " RoRo's grow" page for Yard 738. Answering my own question "Did it Happen?" I failed to notice: ...from the AGM In Powell River... ...David Hahn was up Next with the President's Report. Here were a few Things He Touched on... ... ...he did mention the NorEx Steel Cut was the other day... ... OK, my bad, I apologize for not doing my research before asking a question. Then again I am surprised nothing in the pop media... Continuing on, still muzing when Yard 738 will be put up on the FSG site?
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Sept 16, 2007 20:57:30 GMT -8
OK, ok, the steel cutting happened, but it will not be promoted on the FSG site until January 2008. We are building the deckhouses for the moment and will start the hull in January. I didnĀ“t take pics, but will organize some. For your clarification: The NorEx is hull no. 748[glow=red,2,300][/glow]. After 735 - Coastal Celebration- we built two Turkish Vessel (736 and 737) and then your 748. The number has to do with the order of contracts. We contracted RoRos before the NorEx, they got 738-744 but will be built later. edit: Now you can find the evidence of the first steelcut on picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/NorthernExpedition
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Post by newship guest on Sept 17, 2007 11:25:35 GMT -8
things that make you go hmmmm...
yard 736/737 U.N Ro-Ro yard 748 Northern Expedition yard 738-744 unknown yard 745-747 missing from brinkmann's post.
no rumor here but with Flensberger and BC Ferries seemingly having a great relationship, makes you wonder if/where future builds may fit in...ie northern discovery/future super 'c''s/other.
time will tell
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