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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 5, 2007 18:59:49 GMT -8
NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Looks like I gotta get my model done before NorEx and NorDi come around then I can safely say I have the last piece of her and the last of the original northern fleet. Cheers P.S. Wouldn't it be embarrassing for BCF if they lost their brand new ship to an ice-berg in the arctic sea. Try and explain that one to the boss. 2 things: 1) Your in no rush for getting your Chilliwack model done, because NorDiscovery is just still an idea, with nothing decided yet. Believe when you see the contract being signed, and that's not for at least another 5 years. 2) Re losing a new ship to an iceberg: I think that happened to White-Star Line.....
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 5, 2007 21:35:31 GMT -8
Hoistable ramps on the NorEx would most certainly have to be located along the central machinery casing. Passengers in cars parked on such decks would likely want to use the stairways and elevators which are located in the central machinery casing. A car deck arrangement is shown in the pdf document linked below: www.fsg-ship.de/2product/1prod/pdf/FSG_SchiffsDB_Pax600.pdf?size=479KB
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 6, 2007 5:16:13 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 6, 2007 6:39:18 GMT -8
The 3rd Coastal ship (Celebrex) will be delivered for the start of summer-08 (give or take a few months), and then there's 2 ships (Turkey) to be done before NorEx I seem to remember mention of our NorEx jumping the queue in front of the Turkey vessels, despite the hull numbers suggesting otherwise. Am I mistaken or misreading? ...
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 6, 2007 7:10:25 GMT -8
everything clear now?
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 6, 2007 7:16:34 GMT -8
Ah, thank you, that chart makes everything cut and dry. Of course this was my misinterpretation as I'm so attached to the up until recent times traditional way of shipbuilding where a ship wouldn't begin being constructed until a yard was ready. Of course modern ways, let alone German efficiency, don't make a free slipway necessary to begin construction as had been standard practice up until recent decades.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 6, 2007 8:47:29 GMT -8
Markus thanks for the chart. So the deck house is built first and then I would imagine stored outside somewhere in the yard? Then the hull is built and similarly stored. Does that mean that the Turkish ship's modules are complete and ready to be assembled in the cathedral/hall once the Celebration launches? One thing the chart demonstrates is that it is highly unlikely that the Northern Discovery could be scheduled at Flensburger for a long time. It is likely an extreme longshot or near impossibility given the budget for the ferry and BC Ferries comments on looking for a used vessel. As well if the oft discussed and dreamed/imagined Coastal Experience gets ordered it will be quite a few years before it could be under construction. Until then the CoastalEx is doomed to sail around aimlessly with the Queen of Richmond searching for a port ;D.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 6, 2007 11:06:06 GMT -8
We pressed the NorEx into our existing building schedule. We are building the house blocks in the shipbuilding hall until December. They are completely welded and faired. Then they will be transferred to a yet to be build deckhouse-building-place (it is the place, where the CR barbecue took place) and we will assemble the 4 deckhouse blocks to one mega block. This block will be painted and completely outfitted until launching of NorEx. After launching the more than 1000ton block will be lifted by two floating cranes onto the hull. The following days the fore end aft superblocks (built in Poland) will be put on the hull. Then we need around 3 months to complete the vessel.
edit: sorry, a bit tired, forgot half of the answer. Our first production stations are now fully loaden with the production of modules for t he turkish vessel. All modules for 735 have gone through the first stations and are on their last stages of block assembly. So at the moment we are working on 5 (!) vessels: 734 on the pier, 735 on the slipway, 736 and 737 (Turkish) in subassembly and module assembly and 748 (NOrEx) in block assembly. Sometimes I am confused...
edit: Assumption: If BCF really wants another vessel from FSG, we will try everything to put it in between - there should still be some reserves...
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Post by Hardy on Nov 7, 2007 19:49:55 GMT -8
... Markus forgets to mention that he has already started assembling the (as yet) unordered vessel in his basement! The only problem is, the 1K-ton crane will need to lift Markus' house off it's foundation so that they can get the hull modules out!! In all seriousness, I think that we've seen the efficiency with which FSG pumps out "stock" vessels. Now that they have 3 Coastals done, even though they were virgin territory, I think we can add double ended RoPax to the standard line sheet! To be honest, from Markus' accounts and other information that I have read regarding FSG since the BCFS contract was awarded, I think that FSG has learned a few things and increased a few efficiencies (I don't know whether this was a natural progression, or specifically because of the challenges of the Coastals...?), but I think that FSG is better off for having built the vessels as well. I would not be at all surprised if FSG managed to "Squeeze one in" even in light of their seemingly full schedule. I could see a very loose set of dates on the "add on" vessel, but I have no doubt that FSG would likely beat the target dates, so long as there weren't too many 'wrinkles' ...
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Post by ferryrider42 on Nov 15, 2007 14:11:32 GMT -8
Well, I got board looking at the Coastal Renaissance parked in Panama, so decided to poke around the FSG website. And look what I found, tucked away in the background is the site for the Northern Expedition. You will have to use the link I provided below, as this page is not yet directly accessible from the FSG site. www.fsg-ship.de/bcf748/
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Post by Curtis on Nov 15, 2007 18:29:51 GMT -8
Looks Good. I like how they're putting more detail in the modules on the Module Plan.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 16, 2007 3:42:37 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Nov 17, 2007 15:06:38 GMT -8
I Like What I See. Great Construction Shots As Usual Markus.
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Post by markkarj on Nov 19, 2007 22:23:22 GMT -8
Thank you for the pictures... very nice to see the ship come together, and I hope to sail on board in the summer of 2009!
One question: what kind of special precautions would there be in installing the bow visor? Will there be internal water-tight doors?
I'm asking because I think BC Ferries had to weld shut the bow visor in the Queen of the North not long after the MS Estonia sank, but re-opened the visor after installing new internal doors.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 19, 2007 22:29:41 GMT -8
The bow visor itself is completely watertight and dimensioned acc. state-of-the-art strength calculation taking into account sea keeping simulations and slamming loads as it has never done before. In addition to these precautions the internal ramp/flap acts as a second internal watertight door. When this flap folds inside the vessel it closes the car deck watertight and acts as the second door. We were very aware of this problem as we know about the Estonia problem.
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Post by Nick on Nov 20, 2007 0:12:31 GMT -8
I think that the technology of bow visors on ships has changed a lot since 1966 and 1969 when the QPR and QotN were built. Considering how many other ships use bow visors, like the Caribou for Marine Atlantic, and countless ships in Europe and the Mediterranean, I think that any safety issues arising from the SS Estonia have probably been addressed.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Nov 20, 2007 6:58:25 GMT -8
We have implemented the 748-page on our webpage: www.fsg-ship.de -> RoRo´s grow -> 748
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Post by Coastal Drought on Nov 23, 2007 1:23:29 GMT -8
Cool. Thanks for letting us know Markus. (Even though I've been accessing it to see if there's been updates to the vessel's module plan. ;D)
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 23, 2007 8:12:43 GMT -8
Now here is an idea. Sell cabins on the NorEx for the voyage to Canada. FerryGeeks get first crack. I can imagine what the cost for a 30 to 45 cruise and am choosing to ignore insurance and provisioning challenges. But hey, why not dream. I would volunteer to even do work on board while on the way ;D.
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Post by Curtis on Nov 23, 2007 23:21:49 GMT -8
Now Wouldn't that be the best thing that never happened. 45 Days Stuck on a BC Ferry That Would make some super serious ferry hangover.
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Post by Scott on Nov 24, 2007 0:02:47 GMT -8
Oh yeah, that would be awesome! I know it's probably totally out of BC Ferries hands, but we can dream can't we? See Germany, the English Channel, the Canary Islands, cross the Atlantic to the Caribbean islands, Panama Canal, Mexico, a Pacific storm or two, arriving home via Juan de Fuca Strait. Not to mention all the types of ships and ferries we'd see. And maybe even they'd do a special detour to check up on the old Vesuvius Queen if she's still in the Dominican Republic:)
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Post by Hardy on Nov 24, 2007 17:54:20 GMT -8
Now here is an idea. Sell cabins on the NorEx for the voyage to Canada. FerryGeeks get first crack. I can imagine what the cost for a 30 to 45 cruise and am choosing to ignore insurance and provisioning challenges. But hey, why not dream. I would volunteer to even do work on board while on the way ;D. Redwise IS hiring ... although you need to bring a certain skillset to the table. Spit some of the pages that look like the have the word job or whatnot in them thru Babelfish (or whatever the other site Markus recommended is, the name escapes me right now).
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Post by Nick on Nov 24, 2007 19:04:26 GMT -8
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Dec 7, 2007 4:06:48 GMT -8
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 7, 2007 6:40:47 GMT -8
I think I can see my cabin for my first voyage on the NorEx!!! As exciting as the Coastal have been and are, I think I am even more excited about seeing the NorEx come together. What sectons of the NorEx did you do the steel engineering for?
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