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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 17, 2008 9:34:50 GMT -8
Yeah BCinNJ thats the ones. I will imagine that they will not arrive until closer to the "mating" when the blocks will be lifted into place, that way the crane will be in use for a shorter period of time. I can imagine the hourly rate on those type of suckers.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jan 17, 2008 10:42:35 GMT -8
Actually, it's not as expensive as I had first thought. I suspect the rate paid by FSG will be higher due to the difference in wage rates, but still it isn't as pricey as what I would have thought. From THE FREEPORT OF RIGA Hoisting capacity of the floating crane (t) | Payment EUR/h | | | | for the floating crane's work | | Without tug | With a tug | for the crane's shifting | to 10 | 43 | 64.5 | 139 | from 11 to15 | 70 | 105 | 139 | from 16 to 25 | 86 | 129 | 164 | from 26 to 40 | 108 | 162 | 229 | from 501 to 1000 | 128 | 192 | 229 | Over 1000 | 149 | 223.5 | 243 |
Okay, you can do the currency conversion. We typically pay 200-250 USD/hr for a 100 tonne self propelled crane with operator. My confusion with the modules was due in part to the highlighting scheme. Previously FSG didn't highlight modules that had been farmed out to sub contractors; this time they did, so I was mistakenly under the impression they were building these in-house. The truth of the matter actually makes much more sense to me.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 17, 2008 11:11:48 GMT -8
Ask and ye shall receive. The shifting column is what I presume translates to getting the crane from its home port to where-ever you need it. That is where the expensive part is.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Jan 17, 2008 22:54:03 GMT -8
Markus, Correct me if I'm wrong ; the modules highlighted in red are the components being built in Poland. Have I got this straight yet?!? ;D Nearly correct, the red ones plus the ones on the top. I made a picture for you:
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Post by Curtis on Jan 18, 2008 16:24:52 GMT -8
I've been wondering, Why is it that FSG attaches the Deckhouses after launching? Is it to save time so another vessel can be built? or Is is because it's too hard to attach them in the regular module assembly? Answers would be appreciated.
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Post by FNS on Jan 18, 2008 19:08:40 GMT -8
I've been wondering, Why is it that FSG attaches the Deckhouses after launching? Is it to save time so another vessel can be built? or Is is because it's too hard to attach them in the regular module assembly? Answers would be appreciated. My guess is that it would save time so another of FSG's fastly built hulls can be mounted on the ways and launched. I imagine that the friendly floating persuader (which lifted the Coastals' ends) would lift the upperworks into place as well as the Polish ends. Mr. Brinkmann can clarify this.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 19, 2008 10:41:15 GMT -8
Markus gave the answer on one of the threads somewhere. It was to shoe horn the Ferries into their busy schedule. For sure with the Coastals it was done to save time. I believe these modules take the most time to assemble so having the Polish yard do it means the steel cutting and the ship building cathedral are free sooner for the next build.
Kind of like what Boeing is trying to do with the 787 - although in their case it is very rocky and not working smoothly. The large sections of the aircraft are supposed to arrive "pre-stuffed" with all the internal mechanics and wiring. This is supposed to allow much faster assembly of the aircraft.
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Post by shipchandler on Feb 6, 2008 17:48:23 GMT -8
i wonder if the order status of the norex will suffer now that un roro has lost the" mv und adriatik"seems to me they will need their ships now even more
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Feb 6, 2008 22:01:58 GMT -8
Contract is contract. Nothing will be changed for now. BCF will get the NorEx and the contracted date latest. Then we can talk about more Turkish RoRos...
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Post by yardobserver on Feb 10, 2008 10:37:40 GMT -8
Deckhouse block 3 has been moved to its final building place
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Post by yardobserver on Feb 14, 2008 3:18:20 GMT -8
... and now all deckhouse-modules are ready for completion
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Post by Northern Exploration on Feb 14, 2008 8:39:59 GMT -8
Thanks Yardobserver that is great to see. Kind of looks like an appartment block at the moment but you start to picture the ferry.
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Post by Kam on Feb 14, 2008 9:45:33 GMT -8
... and now all deckhouse-modules are ready for completion A bit off topic, but what is that silo looking building in the background with the blue pointed roof?
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Post by yardobserver on Feb 14, 2008 9:53:27 GMT -8
That is a former high shelter from WW2 - today a house for art exhibitions.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 14, 2008 10:08:24 GMT -8
Thanks Yardobserver that is great to see. Kind of looks like an appartment block at the moment but you start to picture the ferry. lol...okay that clarifies where my thoughts were going...visually looking at the block, you really get a feel for how big a lift this will be. There have been bigger, but still not a minor feat!
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Post by Northern Exploration on Feb 14, 2008 12:06:28 GMT -8
Yeah the bridge deckhouse is almost as long as well. I will be glued to the webcams for this one when it happens.
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Post by Quatchi on Feb 14, 2008 12:49:53 GMT -8
Markus,
I know in tilt up concrete construction of buildings there is a lot of excess structure so that it can be tilted up into place. My question is how much if any extra structure is required to lift modules or deck houses like in the NorEx into place?
Cheers,
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Feb 14, 2008 21:48:32 GMT -8
There is little extra structure. The outer walls are standing above each other and the girders are strong enough. There are large lifting plates in the uppermost modules to distribute the point loading from the cranes in the structure. These will be cut off after setting the house. We have some transverse stiffening in the house, but I guess that is not more than 2 tons of steel.
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Feb 21, 2008 5:56:18 GMT -8
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Post by Northern Exploration on Feb 21, 2008 7:57:46 GMT -8
Thanks Markus - very nice to see the windows and begin to picture seeing the Inside Passage through them. Hope you will be able to see it for yourself as soon as baby brinki is old enough for the trip.
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Post by Balfour on Feb 21, 2008 8:09:59 GMT -8
The larger windows have a similar shape to our original C-Class vessels. Those will be great for looking at the scenery of the Inside Passage.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 21, 2008 8:42:53 GMT -8
Markus, I saw in one of the captions on your photos that the upper deck houses (deck 7) are not yet in place. Then I looked at the module plan (which is updated finally), and saw a totally different picture. I'm guessing the sub-blocks for decks 4 through 6 are in place now (right?), and the deck 7 sub-blocks are still in assembly (or are they being placed after the super-block is placed on the hull?). I just ask this because the module plan shows something different from what I see with my eyes. Is the hull as far along as the module plan indicates? Also, you said in a previous post that all three deck-house modules (the FSG super-module, and the two subcontracted modules) will be placed on the hull over a period of ~1 work week. Are the subcontracted modules being delivered to coincide with the launch of the hull in September and placed directly off the barge as we have seen before, or will they already be at FSG and stored with the other super-module? So many questions!
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Post by kieran Horsburgh on Feb 21, 2008 9:20:43 GMT -8
on the picture facing the modules what are all those chains doing there very high quality lokking ones my guess was that its anchor chair im probably wrong ----------------------------- [moderator edit version] On the picture facing the modules, what are all those chains doing there? I mean the very high quality looking ones. My guess was that it's an anchor chain. However, I'm probably wrong. -------------------------
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Post by herrbrinkmann on Feb 21, 2008 11:25:11 GMT -8
so many questions... I have to admit, that the module drawing colouring is not always as reality. We have the blocks for deck 4-6 in place. During the next weeks, we will put HVAC-plants and other parts (emergency generator) on deck 7 and after that put on the last "houses". Then the whole building will be covered. We will built a removable "hall" above the blocks for weather and sound protection (and environmental protection during sandblasting). So then it will be difficult to take pictures... The fore and aft block beeing built in Poland will arrive shortly before launching and will be lifted from the barges on the hull. The same procedure we did for the Coastals. The chains in front of the NE deckhouse are for the Turkish RoRo beeing launched in March.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 21, 2008 12:31:33 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarifications Markus. Is the temporary building wood framed with sheathing and such, or are you just required to build something to mostly keep the elements out, and the dust in? For clarification, I'm thinking of a tent-like structure.
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