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Post by farout on Jul 3, 2008 13:00:57 GMT -8
So for those of you who live near the ferries, all this talk of bridge's out in interest how many of you are in favor of them being built, hence decreasing the need for the ferries?
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Post by kerryssi on Jul 3, 2008 14:46:02 GMT -8
The ferry is actualy the cheapest way to go. The main problem is that the ferry system is so badly managed. E.G. The norm for management to employee ratio is 1/50. In Japan it is 1/75 which is considered under managed. In the U.S it is 1/25 which is considered extremely over managed. In BCFS it is about 1/10 or even less. This is considered absurd. With something like 700 managers ( last I heard) for 35 ships and 4500 employees, of whom half are part time the problem with ferries clearly lies with over abundant, redundant, and largely incompetent management. Want to know how to run the ferries way cheaper? Ask the employees. They are the only ones with experience and expertise. Most of management is there because a friend got them a sinecure so they could retire and still pull in a paycheque.
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Post by farout on Jul 3, 2008 20:24:18 GMT -8
Ouch! sounds like my last job
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 26, 2012 23:18:58 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 27, 2012 6:09:49 GMT -8
(bump, to show FerryMan's post, moved here by me)
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Post by Neil on Jan 27, 2012 10:27:47 GMT -8
I was sick to death of this hare-brained idea a long time ago, so I never thought I'd be happy to see another article about it, but this Times-Colonist piece was very worthwhile. It spells out the astronomical costs and fares involved, the engineering difficulties, and the complete lack of interest from both the Liberals and the NDP. Don't know if it will deter the people who like to get their maps and crayons out and go, "Gee, wouldn't it be neat if...", but it was refreshingly sensible.
Best thing about the article: no quotes from Pat McGeer!
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 27, 2012 22:12:12 GMT -8
And obviously using the Discovery Islands as stepping stones is out of the question too, as the route would be way too long and too out-of-the-way, plus the fact that environmentalists don't want that area disturbed.
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Post by KE7JFF on Mar 21, 2012 18:30:04 GMT -8
I dunno why, but I picture an aerial tramway across the strait being built
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Post by lmtengs on Mar 21, 2012 18:52:41 GMT -8
I dunno why, but I picture an aerial tramway across the strait being built Yea, or maybe teleportation portals. Hell, put one of those in my front yard. Makes travelling just a little more convenient!
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Post by KE7JFF on Mar 21, 2012 23:42:14 GMT -8
I dunno why, but I picture an aerial tramway across the strait being built Yea, or maybe teleportation portals. Hell, put one of those in my front yard. Makes travelling just a little more convenient! Hahaha yeah! I remember when the City of Portland needed to address the transportation problem between the two campuses of the hospital we have on the West Hills, OHSU, one of the options looked at was a incline railway. Yes you heard me, an INCLINE RAILWAY like you find in Niagara Falls.
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Post by cranton on Nov 16, 2012 22:39:16 GMT -8
So just to revive this thread let's think about a more possible scenario - a bridge from Vancouver Island across Dodd's Narrows to Mudge Island and a second bridge from Mudge to Gabriola Island. Put the ferry terminal at the far side of Gabriola and the other due east on a spit built out somewhere near Steveston. The distance is then only about 35k for the ferry trip. Saves an awful lot of fuel.
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Post by Kam on Mar 21, 2013 23:10:37 GMT -8
I would put cold hard cash down and say that a bridge will be built. If I had to make a guess, I would say in 20 to 30 years from now or when the government is looking for a way to boost the economy with a major project.
Large projects tend to be undertaken by government when economy needs a kick. IE, Hoover dam, Taiwan Highway 1, Central Artery/Tunnel Project (big dig in Boston), Øresund Bridge, linking Denmark and Sweden, Roman road system, Qingzang railway, the list goes on and on.
Mark my words folks, some day it will happen.
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 22, 2013 17:51:44 GMT -8
I'd even bet that you'd be able to ride a Segway from Vancouver to Tsawwassen Ferry and on to Victoria (with charging stops) (complete with the trademark metallic sound of "slam.. bang" of the apron plates as you ride over them) aboard BC Ferries' Route 1 before the project is even given approval to go ahead. Yeah, but only if you're rich, as by that time, ferry fares will be over $500 one-way on routes 1, 2 and 30, and Canada will have eleven provinces.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 22, 2013 21:34:24 GMT -8
The whole idea of building a bridge to Vancouver Island will NEVER happen. It's more crazy, more unfeasible, and more impossible than building bridges across Puget Sound. Ferries will be alive and well until we get flying cars. And at that point, pigs will fly too.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 22, 2013 21:44:01 GMT -8
I would put cold hard cash down and say that a bridge will be built. If I had to make a guess, I would say in 20 to 30 years from now or when the government is looking for a way to boost the economy with a major project. Large projects tend to be undertaken by government when economy needs a kick. IE, Hoover dam, Taiwan Highway 1, Central Artery/Tunnel Project (big dig in Boston), Øresund Bridge, linking Denmark and Sweden, Roman road system, Qingzang railway, the list goes on and on. Mark my words folks, some day it will happen. It won't happen in my time and not in your's either, Kam. Perhaps when Awesome Cheese turns eighty, maybe...
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Post by Neil on Mar 22, 2013 21:50:55 GMT -8
I would put cold hard cash down and say that a bridge will be built. If I had to make a guess, I would say in 20 to 30 years from now or when the government is looking for a way to boost the economy with a major project. Large projects tend to be undertaken by government when economy needs a kick. IE, Hoover dam, Taiwan Highway 1, Central Artery/Tunnel Project (big dig in Boston), Øresund Bridge, linking Denmark and Sweden, Roman road system, Qingzang railway, the list goes on and on. Mark my words folks, some day it will happen. It won't happen in my time and not in your's either, Kam. Perhaps when Awesome Cheese turns eighty, maybe... ...turns eighty and simultaneously takes over as CEO of the Trans Georgia Bridge Corporation. On this one, I agree with Mr Keenlyside. The only appropriate reaction to this topic is ridicule. Done, dead, and over.
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Post by whalebreath on Mar 26, 2013 21:36:43 GMT -8
The whole idea of building a bridge to Vancouver Island will NEVER happen. It's more crazy, more unfeasible, and more impossible than building bridges across Puget Sound. Ferries will be alive and well until we get flying cars. Sounds like may of you have travelled very very little-the engineering challenges of a Georgia Strait crossing have easily been dealt with in many places worldwide-and we've had flying cars for some time now.
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Post by dofd on Mar 26, 2013 22:45:24 GMT -8
The whole idea of building a bridge to Vancouver Island will NEVER happen. It's more crazy, more unfeasible, and more impossible than building bridges across Puget Sound. Ferries will be alive and well until we get flying cars. Sounds like may of you have travelled very very little-the engineering challenges of a Georgia Strait crossing have easily been dealt with in many places worldwide-and we've had flying cars for some time now. It can be done. But the cost to the 4.4 mil. people in BC's added taxes, it's just not going to happen. "the engineering challenges of a Georgia Strait crossing have easily been dealt with in many places" well i do not know if that is true, but the span size has been done many times.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 27, 2013 9:46:55 GMT -8
The whole idea of building a bridge to Vancouver Island will NEVER happen. It's more crazy, more unfeasible, and more impossible than building bridges across Puget Sound. Ferries will be alive and well until we get flying cars. Sounds like may of you have travelled very very little-the engineering challenges of a Georgia Strait crossing have easily been dealt with in many places worldwide-and we've had flying cars for some time now. Yes we've had flying cars for quite some time but they've never become mainstream. BTW, the main issue in building bridges is how to deal with ship traffic. The only kind of bridge that would really work is a floating bridge, and with the amount of ships going thru Georgia Strait, the drawbridge would be open very often.
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Post by KE7JFF on Apr 9, 2013 3:56:34 GMT -8
I could see Salt Spring Island getting a bridge before some buffoon attempts to build a bridge across the strait...
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Post by DENelson83 on Apr 9, 2013 12:48:46 GMT -8
I could see Salt Spring Island getting a bridge before some buffoon attempts to build a bridge across the strait... Saltspring Island won't be bridged to anywhere. The Islands Trust will raise a big stink if someone tries.
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Post by KE7JFF on Apr 16, 2013 23:32:15 GMT -8
I could see Salt Spring Island getting a bridge before some buffoon attempts to build a bridge across the strait... Saltspring Island won't be bridged to anywhere. The Islands Trust will raise a big stink if someone tries. I'm assuming somehow, the Island Trust gets pushed aside....or the bridge is a drawbridge....
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Post by Mike C on Apr 16, 2013 23:52:14 GMT -8
Saltspring Island won't be bridged to anywhere. The Islands Trust will raise a big stink if someone tries. I'm assuming somehow, the Island Trust gets pushed aside....or the bridge is a drawbridge.... The Islands Trust is a jurisdiction responsible for planning and managing of BC's coastal islands, including those that are their own municipality (e.g. Bowen Island). Their job is to ensure that island values are defended and protected, since each island otherwise belongs to the larger jurisdiction of the regional district, which are in most cases, attached to CMA's of roughly 40,000 or more. If the Province were to embrace this project, and their method of consultation with stakeholders were similar to that of the Port Mann Bridge and SFPR, they would most likely tell the Islands Trust, the regional district, and everyone else to go away. If this were a project taken up by the CRD or Cowichan Valley RD, it would fall under Islands Trust jurisdiction.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 4, 2014 11:09:18 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 4, 2014 12:53:43 GMT -8
I'd love to attend the 3 hour taping of this great debate which starts at &:30 P.M. However, there is a snag in the plan, the $38 ticket price not withstanding. There is also the added cost of getting to Nanaimo, another $16.30 in Ferry fares, and: 'oh look!, add one night's hotel charge too as it seems the last boat out of Dodge leaves at 9:30 P.M. Darn!
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