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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 22, 2007 15:24:55 GMT -8
This thread is a place to post some links or basic-facts, designed to help acquaint new persons with the endless core-data that us ferry-freaks possess.
Let's please keep this thread to facts/data and links, and do the discussion on other pages, so that this page will stay clean & easy to read.
I've started off by posting about John H's "Ferry Terminal" website (the standard that judges all others....), and I've also linked 2 websites of member "PR Northern Teen".
I know that there are others, so please post here....keeping true to this thread's purpose.
Thanks.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 22, 2007 15:26:21 GMT -8
There is a webpage called "The Ferry Terminal" which was created by this forum's Administrator. John H.'s website can be accessed by a link from this forum's homepage....it's top-centre on the home page, and says something like "click here for the Ferry Terminal".
You will find a photo and descriptions and service record of each ship.
I just checked this website myself, to refresh my memory of it, and it should be a candy-store for those interested in ferries.
Well, the Ferry-Terminal webpage is so good, that it has inspired others, even with occasional moments of plagerism, which were eventually settled, I presume.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 8, 2007 14:41:31 GMT -8
Some abbreviations
Major Terminals
TSA-Tsawwassen
SWB-Swartz Bay
HSB-Horseshoe Bay
DPB-Departure Bay
DKP-Duke Point
SGI-Southern Gulf Islands
Route Numbers
1- Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay
2- Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay
3- Horseshoe Bay-Langdale
4-Swartz Bay-Fulford Harbour
5-Swartz Bay-Outter Gulf Islands
6-Crofton-Vesuvis
7-Earls Cove-Saltery Bay
8-Horseshoe Bay-Snug Cove
9-Tsawwassen-Southern Gulf Islands
9a- Tsawwassen to Southern Gulf Islands*SUMMER ONLY: Bowen Queen route
10- Port Hardy to Prince Rupert
11- Price Rupert to Queen Charlottes
12- Mill Bay-Brentwood Bay
13- Langdale-Gamber-Keats* operated by Stormway 3
17- Powell River-Comox
18-Powell River-Texada Island
19-Nanaimo Harbour-Gabriola Island
20- Chemainus - Thetis Island - Kuper Island
21-Buckley Bay-Denman Island
22-Denman Island-Hornby Island
23- Campbell River-Quadra Island
24- Quadra Island-Cortez Island
25- Port McNeill - Alert Bay - Sointula
26- Skidegate - Alliford Bay
30- Tsawwassen-Duke Point
40- Discovery Coast Passage
Vessel Abbreviations
SOBC- Spirit of British Columbia
SOVI- Spirit of Vancouver Island
ex. Coquitlam-Queen of Coquitlam (this is the same for most of the Queen of vessels)
Bowen-Bowen Queen (same for most blank Queen)
Queen of Sandwich-Queen of Saanich
Van-Queen of Vancouver
New West- Queen of New Westminster
CR-Coastal Renissance
Nor-Ad-Northern Adventure
Esqui-Queen of Esquimalt
Vic-Queen of Victoria
QoTN-Queen of the North
Nanny-Queen of Nanaimo
CR- Coastal Renaissance
CI-Coastal Inspiration
CC-Coastal Celebration
More for later stay tuned!
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 2, 2008 22:29:44 GMT -8
Dane, a very interesting project with much work to be done, many details to be added, and corrections (already) to be made. As an example VMD (Victoria Machinery Depot) went out of the ship building and repair business not long after the QPR was completed in 1966. Work done in Victoria after that time was done at Yarrows Ltd, Burrard-Yarrows, or one of its successors right on op to the current WMG Victoria Shipyards. VMD was located in Victoria's James Bay district while Yarrows is in Esquimalt near the Can. Forces Base, and the dry dock. The lifting of the V's & QNWM was done at the dry dock by Burrard-Yarrows. The QPR entered service on the Inside Passage as indicated in the following...  |
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Post by Hardy on Mar 4, 2008 10:03:49 GMT -8
Excellent project Dane, quite large in scope. I know what you mean about conflicting dates and what not. Rather than putting the onus on yourself to try to decide which ones are right, why not post all the dates that you are able to find, cite their sources, and utilize footnotations to explain the discrepancies? If you are going to WIKI this, then that wouldn't be as difficult as re-editing the post continuously.
Having had to do some 'historical' research myself on various things, I know how different sources can be out of synch especially on dates for certain milestones. Contract signings, and official launches are easy, as there is press and paper to back it up, but other stuff can be difficult to nail down dates, harder than trying to stuff toothpaste back into the tube.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 15:27:59 GMT -8
Good Start, Dane. Brings back memories, as my Dad, brothers, Husband, and in-laws all had a hand in building the fleet of BC Ferries.
I wish you could post your corrections, it would make life easier for the people who want to help you.
Yarrows Shipyards was sold to Burrard in 1946, the two shipyards kept their separate names until 1978 when they became known as Burrard-Yarrows. Versatile Pacific bought the companies in 1985. They went into receivership and Shielding INC bought the shipyards from BC Pacific Capital, INC. By November 1991, Yarrows had it's name back and Burrard was closed in 1992. IMF Yarrows was created in order to build the Spirit Vessels. Yarrows closed in 1994, after the SOVI was complete.
In 1994 another Company was formed, it became known as Vancouver Shipyards(Esquimalt) LTD, Later to Change the Name to Victoria Shipyards Co. Ltd. A company owned by WMG.
Most of the "V" Stretching was done here in Victoria, in the Esquimalt dry dock. My husband was working on them at the time. Yarrows did the work.
Jan 1994 Alberni refit by Yarrows
Feb 1992 Announcement of Second Spirit Boat by Glen Clark, Minister of Finance.
Ferries Built by
Burrard-Yarrows (North Van)
1976 Coquitlam
1979 Surrey
Burrard-Yarrows (Esquimalt)
1976
Cowichan
1981 Oak Bay
Queen of Burnaby was going into the drydock when Yarrows closed in mid January of 1994. They did not bid on the boat. Usually work done on boats for the Seattle route would be done in the months preceding the route starting up in May.
I remember my Dad and I, driving out to the Swartz Bay Ferry terminal before it was complete. He had heard rumors that the ferry would be finished way before the terminal was. In fact the terminal was not finished when the first sailing took place. Tickets were being sold out of a trailer and there was lots of paving still to be done.
December 2006, as the Sonia(Norad) was in the Esquimalt Dry Dock, steel for the Island Sky superstructure was coming in to the yard. Shortly before the Norad left, work was already underway on the Island Sky.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 4, 2008 21:36:16 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Mar 10, 2008 21:47:24 GMT -8
Curious if anyone knows - did the Bur and New West get dining rooms when stretched?
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 11, 2008 1:31:33 GMT -8
What does (D) mean?
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Post by Dane on Mar 11, 2008 16:52:52 GMT -8
Woops, didn't mean to copy/paste that far - means I have accounted for where the ship was built, went into service and was retired....
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 11, 2008 20:26:25 GMT -8
Don't forget the Dogwood Princess II. She's been retired and replaced by the Stormaway III (contractor-owned, but part of the White Wave Fleet nonetheless).
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Post by cobblehillian on Mar 12, 2008 10:46:13 GMT -8
I'm not sure where my idea fits, it might be in this thread, along with the route numbering system, BCF vessels chronology, etc. On the other hand maybe this should go to John H's vessel info pages. Although the pages require updating and additional information they are a start toward a one source vessel data base.
Along with the list of call signs, IMO numbers, and vessel specs I would like to see the classification data for each vessel as this affects where the vessel can be deployed, what services it can be used for, where it can be sold, the presence and absence of safety features, etc., etc. Accompanying such a listing there would have to be a very small glossary to explain the brief wording of the classification conditions. Also, there may be slight differences between the definitions of the various classification societies. These are not insurmountable problems.
I have easily retrieved the classification data for BCF vessels classified by the ABS. I don't have access to the Lloyd's/Fairplay data. A membership is required, so perhaps, a member with access to Lloyd's could get us that info.
I have also wondered if the chronology could be reduced in length by removing all the months and years having no activity.
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Post by Dane on Mar 12, 2008 14:24:01 GMT -8
I have also wondered if the chronology could be reduced in length by removing all the months and years having no activity. It can be/will be, but this is actually a year per page document on my computer so it's easy to find everything; don't feel like editing it everytime I repost it - this is the fifth version in maybe 10 or 11 days! I am hoping that eventually I will have content in most months - there are a lot of things I know happened, but can't find an actual reference too as well, so I am hopeful in a few months the timeline will be quite full, and to a point I can call, at least for the time being, "done." Examples of such things that I know happened but cannot find reference for are the closing of Montegue Harbour, the adding or larger Cafeteria's onto the first two vessels, keel laying for the Spirits, and everything to do with the Princess of Vancouver (although I was put in touch with someone at BC Ferries with the historical ship records who seems happy to look for me  ) |
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Post by Guest 101 on May 12, 2008 10:12:05 GMT -8
The way that Lloyds Ship Registry work’s – you will need the “owners” permission to access data that is held by Lloyds on any vessel in the BCFS fleet that Lloyds cover in there classification.
There are extremely strong security password protections in place and strong audit trails – if the owners find out that Lloyds has allowed data to pass without there permission – then Lloyds could be sued.
The Report you want is called “Class Direct” – it will detail everything about the vessel from the date of the keel to current day. Every repair – replacement of equipment, DD & SS surveys. It is the “bible” of the vessel and is very important to the owner and when the vessel is sold on to the new owner. It carries the complete – detail history of her.
Fairplay is a magazine – produce by Lloyds – also a newspaper called Lloyds List.
The Lloyds Insurance market is totally different and should not be linked – but it is and has been the largest insurance market in the world. Most of shipping Insurance is written here – which is called “Hull & Machinery” cover.
It is understood that BC Ferries has placed most - if not all - of there fleet Hull & Machinery cover with Lloyds.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 19, 2009 21:59:28 GMT -8
Pulling a Sidney:
When the owner of a boat lets it sit and rot, eventually bringing it past the point of possible restoration.
Examples:
Queen of Sidney and SS San Mateo on the North Bank of the Fraser River in Mission, BC
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Post by Balfour on Nov 19, 2009 22:43:56 GMT -8
Pulling a Sidney: When the owner of a boat lets it sit and rot, eventually bringing it past the point of possible restoration. Examples: Queen of Sidney and SS Sand Mateo on the North Bank of the Fraser River in Mission, BC I have never heard of the SS Sand Mateo... |
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Post by 1970chevelle on Jun 7, 2012 1:18:28 GMT -8
Does anyone have the link to John H's "Ferry Terminal" website?
I can't seem to find the link or even through a search on google. I hope it's still in service.
standing by...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 7, 2012 5:40:32 GMT -8
Does anyone have the link to John H's "Ferry Terminal" website? I can't seem to find the link or even through a search on google. I hope it's still in service. standing by... Look at the top of this here webpage, and click on the link called "www.westcoastferries.ca" (or just type that into your browser). - that's the current version of what used to be known as John's "Ferry terminal". |
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