Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 16, 2014 22:36:00 GMT -8
Very interesting episode on a few of the Stena Ships. That was a bit odd on the first ship having the work being done while the ship was underway. I dont think that was a smart idea. Some of those cabins on those ships look like cruise ship cabins. Pretty nice. That was cool you found that video. I saw another episode of that show about NCL.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Feb 16, 2014 23:01:34 GMT -8
Very interesting episode on a few of the Stena Ships. That was a bit odd on the first ship having the work being done while the ship was underway. I dont think that was a smart idea. Some of those cabins on those ships look like cruise ship cabins. Pretty nice. That was cool you found that video. I saw another episode of that show about NCL. Never seen a post from Karl without exclamation marks. The weather must have you down.
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Post by Scott on Mar 3, 2014 10:30:08 GMT -8
Interesting that a ferry terminal actually plays a strategic role in the ongoing conflict in the Crimea region of the Ukraine. CBC is reporting that the Russians have seized a key ferry terminal in the city of Kerch on the Crimean peninsula. If you look on a map, you'll notice that the only direct link between Russia and the Crimea, without going through the mainland of Ukraine, is by a short ferry ride. Now the worry is, that since the Russians control the ferry terminal, they will be able to move troops into the Crimea with ease. CBC article: www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-demands-2-ukrainian-warships-surrender-1.2557443Also interesting that this is all happening about 300 kilometers from Sochi, Russia. - John H
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Post by Starsteward on Mar 3, 2014 13:46:34 GMT -8
A couple of points relating to this very troublesome situation that is unfolding in the Crimea. One wonders if Mr. Putin couldn't wait to get the Olympic Games participants et al out of the country before deploying troops in the Ukraine and also and more timely it would seem, what decision(s) does the Canadian Olympic/Paralympic Committee make with regard to the Paralympic Games which are scheduled to commence this comming Friday? Undoubtedly, the Canadian Paralympic athletes would be greatly disappointed if the C.O.C. pulled the plug on them attending,however at this point in time given the serious implications of events unfolding 300 kms away, a prudent decision must be made very soon and I would personally opt for disappoinment rather than sending our athletes into harm's way.
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Post by Scott on Mar 3, 2014 14:03:21 GMT -8
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Post by Scott on Apr 15, 2014 21:07:33 GMT -8
Developing story: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27045512
A ferry in South Korea carrying 470 passengers has sunk with casualties, apparently many of them students.
Apparently the ferry is called SEWOL. Some dramatic photos of the rescue effort are already online.
- John H
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 16, 2014 19:11:19 GMT -8
Developing story: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27045512
A ferry in South Korea carrying 470 passengers has sunk with casualties, apparently many of them students.
Apparently the ferry is called SEWOL. Some dramatic photos of the rescue effort are already online. They are now saying 6 people confirmed dead and close to 300 'missing'. The prospect of finding survivors among those listed as missing at this point does not look good. Most of the ship's passengers were actually high school students (age 16 +/-) on a multi-day outing to an island south of the Korean peninsula. There is no information on what caused this but lots of idle speculation within the 'viewer comments' that accompany the news stories.
I am just a little puzzled by the lack of responses to Scott's original post from 22 hours ago. An ocean away from this tragedy it seems that we are much more concerned by a multitude of other stuff.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 16, 2014 19:59:36 GMT -8
I am just a little puzzled by the lack of responses to Scott's original post from 22 hours ago. An ocean away from this tragedy it seems that we are much more concerned by a multitude of other stuff. For myself, I'm more comfortable speculating and bantering on the non-fatal issues such as the future use of the Queen of Chilliwack, or whether Horseshoe Bay's upper deck will be rebuilt. When it comes to immediate reaction to an unfolding story such as the Korea ferry tragedy, there's not much for me to say. There's not much known yet, but it does look like the "missing" will soon be reclassified as the "lost." I was aware of the story yesterday afternoon, but I didn't post about it because I figured that with headline news items, most people were going to be aware of this story regardless of a WCFF posting. And for me, it's a bit of news fatigue. Even with the recent Malaysian airlines mystery, I've not had the extra time or energy needed to follow these types of stories.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Apr 16, 2014 22:29:12 GMT -8
I am just a little puzzled by the lack of responses to Scott's original post from 22 hours ago. An ocean away from this tragedy it seems that we are much more concerned by a multitude of other stuff. For myself, I'm more comfortable speculating and bantering on the non-fatal issues such as the future use of the Queen of Chilliwack, or whether Horseshoe Bay's upper deck will be rebuilt. When it comes to immediate reaction to an unfolding story such as the Korea ferry tragedy, there's not much for me to say. There's not much known yet, but it does look like the "missing" will soon be reclassified as the "lost." I was aware of the story yesterday afternoon, but I didn't post about it because I figured that with headline news items, most people were going to be aware of this story regardless of a WCFF posting. And for me, it's a bit of news fatigue. Even with the recent Malaysian airlines mystery, I've not had the extra time or energy needed to follow these types of stories. I've been following this story through the day, online. I haven't posted because I know, as WCK suggests, there isn't a wide interest in huge losses of life on the other side of the world. What that says about us is an interesting topic for discussion... or should be.
At least I haven't so far seen any appalling remarks in the media about "no Canadians reported missing", as if that should matter.
This is not a third world country- this is South Korea. Horrifying, and astonishing, when you read about passengers being told to stay where they were as the ship was sinking.
I have no 'news fatigue' for stories like this, but I know that not all share my perspective.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 17, 2014 7:29:04 GMT -8
A few minutes ago, I read a story about the Sewol disaster. Now that there is reporting of survivor stories and of "waiting relatives" stories, along with the "Captain left the ship early" story, this tragedy is giving me emotional mix of grief, fright and anger. Grief for the people who lost their lives, and for their helpless families who are waiting for updates. Fright for the situation, when I ponder my own ferry trips and think about "what if?" this happened on a trip I was taking. It is chilling to think about. Anger towards the captain and other officers, based on early reported stories about the way they conducted themselves. ------------------ Here is a brief description of the ship HERE
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 17, 2014 10:07:39 GMT -8
Meanwhile, over at CNN, breaking news re ship sinking... /photo/1
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 17, 2014 17:39:20 GMT -8
I agree, there's been so much bad stuff going on lately it seems. So we just tend to ignore it, even if it's relevant to this forum. It's so easy to tune out all the bad news.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 18, 2014 9:28:32 GMT -8
An excerpt from a National Post story on the Sewol disaster: from HERE
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 19, 2014 21:53:13 GMT -8
Some detail is now coming out about what caused the Sewol to capsize. At the time of the accident, the bridge was under the command of a 26-year-old 3rd mate who was navigating on her own for the first time. Apparently this portion of their route is considered difficult and I gather that protocol requires a highly experienced officer (captain) to be on the bridge when transiting through the area. It might be compared with Active Pass where one expects the bridge to be commanded by a highly experienced person(s). It also appears that the way senior crew handled the emergency, and in particular the late order to abandon ship, will get a lot of attention in the days & weeks to come. More: www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/world/asia/pilot-steering-ferry-had-no-experience-in-treacherous-waterway.html?_r=0
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 21, 2014 12:02:05 GMT -8
I am just a little puzzled by the lack of responses to Scott's original post from 22 hours ago. An ocean away from this tragedy it seems that we are much more concerned by a multitude of other stuff. For myself, I'm more comfortable speculating and bantering on the non-fatal issues such as the future use of the Queen of Chilliwack, or whether Horseshoe Bay's upper deck will be rebuilt. When it comes to immediate reaction to an unfolding story such as the Korea ferry tragedy, there's not much for me to say. There's not much known yet, but it does look like the "missing" will soon be reclassified as the "lost." I was aware of the story yesterday afternoon, but I didn't post about it because I figured that with headline news items, most people were going to be aware of this story regardless of a WCFF posting. And for me, it's a bit of news fatigue. Even with the recent Malaysian airlines mystery, I've not had the extra time or energy needed to follow these types of stories. I am somewhat of the same mind as Flugel Horn with regards to the initial lack of responses to John H's original posting of yet another tragedy. There are many stories vying for our attention these days, MH 370, unrest in the Ukraine,5 young people murdered in Calgary, and many local issues that consume our attention. There is 'news burnout' especially when some forms of media, namely televison, get into the realm of almost manufacturing news rather than reporting 'just the facts Mame'. Rampant speculation(s) by media outlets makes me crazy! to say nothing of what effects that kind of reporting has on the frantic families and friends of those who have lost their lives or remain missing. The reporting of a 'news' event via the various forms of social media, while having its merits, should not be used by media outlets to provide 'colour commentary' of an event, because very sadly, these human tragedies should not be reported like sporting events. Media outlet ratings be dammed!
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 21, 2014 13:18:32 GMT -8
Some detail is now coming out about what caused the Sewol to capsize. At the time of the accident, the bridge was under the command of a 26-year-old 3rd mate who was navigating on her own for the first time. Apparently this portion of their route is considered difficult and I gather that protocol requires a highly experienced officer (captain) to be on the bridge when transiting through the area. It might be compared with Active Pass where one expects the bridge to be commanded by a highly experienced person(s). It also appears that the way senior crew handled the emergency, and in particular the late order to abandon ship, will get a lot of attention in the days & weeks to come. More: www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/world/asia/pilot-steering-ferry-had-no-experience-in-treacherous-waterway.html?_r=0 As we who follow Maritime issues regularly know only too well, this ferry tragedy has spawned some of the same questions investigators were faced with in the sinking of the Queen of the North. Thankfully, there was not the delay in preparing passengers for evacuation on the 'North' as apparently took place on the Sewol. Statements by government ministries and officials in both Malaysia and South Korea are vociferously condemmed as mistruths or cover-ups by a suspicious populace. Do we share the same degree of 'mistrust' when receiving 'Government News'? Many lives lost on the Sewol, can possibly be linked to a fundamental difference in social attitudes inherent in Asian and Western cultures. The questioning or disobeying of commands/orders of those in authority or those more senior in age, experience, or position is frowned upon in Asian society. Almost all those who have lost their lives aboard the Sewol were young students and followed instructions given to them as the appropriate thing to do. Cultural 'norms' on the bridge of the Sewol, may also have led to counter-productive seamanship. ( The acquiescence to looming danger(s) by junior pilots on aircraft flight decks has been found to be a contributing factor in aircraft disasters). Having survived two serious marine misadventures, current disasters like the Sewol, awaken me, many moons removed, as to the true meaning of: 'there but with the Grace of God go I". I am fortunate that the skill and decision making of the officers involved in my experiences did not require a then 'twenty-something' to ponder any alternatives.
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 23, 2014 20:23:04 GMT -8
copied over from the BC Ferries General news thread...
An article that is critical of the evacuation system used on some BC Ferries. article HEREI read through the article & I can't say that I am any sort of an expert on BC Ferries marine evacuation systems. As such I can not say whether the author is being somewhat alarmist, or this is good information and there is reason for concern. As far as I know in the Korean ferry disaster, no marine evacuation slides or similar equipment were actually deployed. The evacuation (or lack of) of that ship appears to have been very badly bungled.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 25, 2014 20:45:06 GMT -8
Regarding SEWOL disaster: and from HERE
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 26, 2014 18:37:43 GMT -8
Regarding SEWOL disaster: and from HEREHmmm, there's a reason why vessels have such things as maximum amounts of load...
This seems much like the same reason why the ex-WSF passenger ferry Skagit sunk off the coast of Tanzania--it was overloaded. Talk about learning from the mistakes of others...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 30, 2014 18:59:57 GMT -8
BBC News video of Severn Princess, an old cross-river ferry in Wales VIDEO LINK HERE======== And a news story on a restoration project Link with a photo News story here
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 19, 2014 14:54:42 GMT -8
There was a car deck collapse (hoistable mezzanine deck, similar to that on Queen of Cumberland) on an Isle of Wight ferry. Here's the news story, which includes a few photos. Click here for the wight stuff
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Post by SolDuc on Sept 25, 2014 17:09:38 GMT -8
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Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 28, 2014 17:15:33 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 28, 2014 17:57:02 GMT -8
1 dead, hundreds stranded in Greek ferry disaster Here's hoping that the death total doesn't rise dramatically. These types of numbers have a habit of starting low and rising fast. ------ A link to a photo of the ship - her look reminds me of the Marine Atlantic ferries. HERE
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2014 9:30:28 GMT -8
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30624086Sounds like it has gone up to 8 now. It will be interesting to hear what happened. Maybe we tend to think of eastern Europe as having older ships and fewer regulations. At least myself, I think, that probably wouldn't happen here. But this was a fairly new ship (2009) with sister ships being used in other parts of Europe, and it wasn't very far from land... so what happened there probably could happen here. - John H
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