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Post by stvfishy on Nov 23, 2007 7:22:51 GMT -8
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 23, 2007 9:00:45 GMT -8
That's crazy! I heard about it on the news this morning.
It's a cruise-ship in the Antarctic and hit some ice. All it is is a hole the size of a fist and the ship is just gonna sink... must've been the size of a pretty huge fist.
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Post by Kam on Nov 23, 2007 9:25:31 GMT -8
How the hell does a hole the size of a fist in a double hull ship cause it to sink?!
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 23, 2007 11:02:29 GMT -8
So it did sink after all, this shows you how carefull you have to be when navigating those waters. I was thinking when I first saw this on CBC around 9am this morning that the ship's passengers and crew could have been "Screwed" if there was no other ships around.
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Post by Curtis on Nov 23, 2007 16:10:06 GMT -8
This is quite crazy. So What, The Ship Just was left to sink? Hole the Size of a Fist??
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 23, 2007 16:49:52 GMT -8
This is quite crazy. So What, The Ship Just was left to sink? Hole the Size of a Fist?? According to most news agencies, including the authoritative BBC, yes, she will be left to sink and is expected to do so "in the next few hours" and "with little environmental impact" (as of BBC World's 3pm PST broadcast) Shipping Times has some particularly interesting details, btw... ( Found Here: www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item947_explorer_sinking.htm)
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Post by Kam on Nov 23, 2007 22:16:16 GMT -8
I dont get it.. CBC radio is reporting that she has NOT gone down...
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Post by Curtis on Nov 23, 2007 23:15:21 GMT -8
Just Thought I'd Randomly Point Out She was Built in 1969. (Points at Queen of the North)
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Post by Mirrlees on Nov 23, 2007 23:40:45 GMT -8
This sounds like the Explorer also had a single-compartment hull as did Queen of The North. I say this because Explorer's hull, while not [apparently] dammaged too badly still threw her CG out meaning no watertight doors to contain the flood.
Granted, this was fairly slow intake as it took her 20 hours to sink while, QoTN was slashed down her length sinking in 1 1/2 hours.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 24, 2007 8:37:57 GMT -8
She finally sunk last night or early this morning. I'd still like to know why a little damage control couldn't have stopped or sufficiently slowed the flooding from a fist-sized hole.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 24, 2007 14:37:29 GMT -8
Well what I was hearing was that was initial size damage when it was actually much worse, my question would be, what about all the oil onboard the ship?
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Post by Nick on Nov 24, 2007 17:50:23 GMT -8
Well what I was hearing was that was initial size damage when it was actually much worse, my question would be, what about all the oil onboard the ship? Same as the QotN, it'll seep to the surface over the next few years and dissipate from there. If anybody says that there will be no environmental impact from this, they are sorely mistaken/lying. It will be very difficult to clean up the oil as well, as I believe that that ship used bunker fuel. For those who don't know, bunker fuel is a fuel that has had very little refining done to it, and is therefore very cheap, so most large ships use it. The downside is it needs to be heated to around 40 degrees before it is liquid enough to be piped to the engine. In antarctic temperatures, that oil will be like a thick goo, and will stick to everything. The reason the Sonia (now NorAd) had to have engine modifications done was because before BC ferries got her she ran on bunker fuel, so the engines had to have the injectors changed and some exhaust modifications.
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 24, 2007 21:20:21 GMT -8
Strange world we live in...
The MS Explorer was built in Finland in 1969 registered in Liberia and owned by a Canadian cruise agency. (One news report I heard wrongly stated she had been built in Canada).
Apparently a ship of quite historical significance.
As the article on wikipedia states...
Being the first cruise ship ever built specifically to ply the frigid waters of the Antarctic Ocean, the Explorer became the first ever to sink there.
The Explorer was first reported to be sinking at a position of: 62 degrees 24 minute South and 57 degrees 16 minutes west, between South Shetlands and Grahams Land, in the Bransfield Strait.
It is a little odd that it actually would sink from apparently slight damage, but we don't know for sure yet all that took place during the sinking, or what deficiencies might have been present in the design that might have made sinking inevitable.
In that regard, here's a salute to the brave ship, Explorer.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 25, 2007 9:24:49 GMT -8
Bunker fuel has actually been refined quite heavily. It's the gunk that's left over from refining, so that all the good bits are out and it's a barely flammable sludge.
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Post by Nick on Nov 25, 2007 19:34:30 GMT -8
Yes, you are right. What I meant, was that it is not refined into a product, rather it is what is left from refining other products. Poor articulating on my part.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 25, 2007 19:47:54 GMT -8
I would like to point out yet again that the QotNorth had multiple water-tight compartments as, I would hope, the Explorer had. Had the QotN holed only one compartment the ship would very likely still be in service now.
And that leads to my question... If the Explorer had only a fist sized hole in one compartment how did it sink? I suspect that the damage was very likely much more severe than first reported.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Nov 26, 2007 7:35:14 GMT -8
I had originally heard there was significant cracking of the hull, though the actual penetration of the hull was small (10cmx30cm).
A 2007 inspection noted issues with the watertight doors, but one would think this had been corrected.
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Post by Kam on Nov 27, 2007 14:30:34 GMT -8
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jan 29, 2008 14:48:06 GMT -8
It appears the British Royal Navy has located the remains of the MV Explorer. HMS Endurance located the wreck using sonar. The story can be found here.
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