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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 8, 2010 22:28:17 GMT -8
That's unfortunate... the Caribou and Joseph and Clara Smallwood are the only two relatively easy to look at ships that MAI operates. The current charter vessel looks rather 'ish' and, making an assumption from other ships that Stena Group operates, the new charter vessels will probably be extremely 'ish' in appearance. Now! Given this announcement, don't you think it's about time to finally find a real replacement for the Queen of the North and quietly make the NorAd disappear? As already stated, these ships are only 20-something... much too young to be retired  . The Queen of the North has a 'real' replacement and it is NOT the NorAd. Think new pride of the Inside Passage... That was actually a shot at the NorAd, which I just recently saw still referred to as the replacement for the Queen of the North. (Actually it was in Evergreenfleet's day room for this month, so blame him for putting that thought in my mind). I guess the real glaring inconsistency here is that the world of shipbuilding seems to have forgotten what curves are in the rush to build everything boxy so maximize capacity. But everyone starts loading their pistols really fast when I call things ugly, so this time I'm just supplying the '-ish' part, and you can add whatever prefix you want on to it... Square-ish comes to mind as an example. |
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 9, 2010 15:11:05 GMT -8
If BC Ferries were to use one of Marine Atlantics vessels, couldn't we just get a section hacked off to make it smaller, or would that make the ship too wide for it's length?
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Post by fargowolf on Sept 9, 2010 18:00:43 GMT -8
To recap, Marine Atlantic will be cutting the ferries and removing a chunk of the length, 12.5 metres, so they fit into their berths. As well the passenger space will be expanded. There will be more staterooms than the current vessels but apparently lounge space is too limited. www.marineatlantic.ca/en/fleet/ConceptDrawings.pdfOn paper the move looks like a good move in that operating costs will fall. However, it is still controversial as no Canadian shipyards are involved. Looks nice for a Truck ferry. |
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 29, 2010 10:15:00 GMT -8
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Post by mrdot on Sept 29, 2010 14:31:46 GMT -8
I am passing over to my brother(wettcoast) the detailed plans of ms Carabou and sister, that were given to me when they were the latest in world class ferry designs, boy does that ever date me, as I still think of them as the latest in large ferry design, and they are of the same vintage as double-enders, C class. of which I attended the launching of Coquitlam at Burrards all those years ago! I wonder if our frends on the east coast will regret missing these vessels as many of some north coast frends miss the QPR. mr.dot.
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 29, 2010 16:10:55 GMT -8
I'm not sure if the Marine Atlantic vessels had as 'checkered' a career as the QPR, but I assume both vessels had their share of 'memorable' experiences. I'm sure the folks on the East coast will miss their retiring vessles but they'll have to miss them an awful lot to come close to how North Coast friends and ex-crew of the QPR miss her.
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Post by plansea on Oct 8, 2010 15:41:24 GMT -8
From the CBC News Marine Atlantic ferry delays disastrous: trucker Consumers to suffer because of ferry setbacks, trucker says The latest delays in the ferry service connecting Nova Scotia with southern Newfoundland are intolerable and are putting the safe delivery of goods at risk, a trucker says. Marine Atlantic this week pulled the MV Joseph and Clara Smallwood, one of the Crown corporation's largest ferries, out of service until at least Oct. 25 because of problems with the ship's rudder. Marine Atlantic's usual complement of four ferries had already been reduced because the MV Atlantic Vision was in drydock for scheduled repairs. "The situation is very desperate down here now as far as I'm concerned," trucker Duane McCarthy told CBC News Thursday while he waited with his rig in Cape Breton for a connection to Newfoundland. Marine Atlantic is not taking any reservations for crossings before Oct. 16 while the two remaining ferries work on a load-and-go basis. McCarthy said the delays are serious and are threatening the safe arrival of needed goods. "The eastern part of Newfoundland survived Igor but I wonder if Newfoundland is going to survive this latest [incident] here because, I mean, this mechanical breakdown and the Vision being in drydock [means] we're down to two ships." McCarthy said transport companies are being told it could be weeks before crossings are back to normal. He said he and other truckers are losing a lot of money because they have effectively been idled. Read more: www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/10/08/marine-atlantic-ferry-trucker-108.html#ixzz11oVnWyPe |
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Post by plansea on Oct 8, 2010 15:48:30 GMT -8
Earlier story from the CBC: Smallwood ferry out for almost 3 weeks A damaged Marine Atlantic ferry will be out of the water for almost three more weeks, the federal Crown corporation said Wednesday. The MV Joseph and Clara Smallwood was pulled from service this weekend because repairs need to be made to the ship's rudder. Marine Atlantic said the ferry, which carries passengers, vehicles and commercial trucks between Nova Scotia and southern Newfoundland, will be out of service until at least Oct. 25. Marine Atlantic has stopped taking new reservations, while two other ferries continue to work on a load-and-go basis to deal with the workload that three ferries normally handle. Customers with existing reservations are being booked on new sailings, said vice-president Don Barnes. "That's the reason why we temporarily suspended reservations, to protect that space," Barnes told CBC News Wednesday. "We'll use [an] automated customer notification system to inform them, so our customers should expect to receive a phone call, starting later today." The Smallwood, which had mechanical problems in August that temporarily brought it out of service, was built 21 years ago. Marine Atlantic intends to replace it and another vessel next year with two chartered vessels from Sweden. Read more: www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/10/06/smallwood-ferry-repairs-106.html#ixzz11oXv9luu |
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Post by plansea on Oct 8, 2010 16:06:23 GMT -8
Efficiency key to moving traffic: former Marine Atlantic captain
Published on October 7th, 2010
Cliff Wells
The Western Star Staff Write
CORNER BROOK — A former captain of the MV Caribou said port time is an issue for the Marine Atlantic ferry service now.
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Marine Atlantic , Smallwood , MV Atlantic Vision , Les Méchins
With the MV Atlantic Vision in its annual refit at Verreault Shipyard in Les Méchins, Que. and the MV Joseph and Clara Smallwood headed to Boston Ship Repair for an emergency repair to the port rudder, Marine Atlantic is left with two boats handling the traffic across the Gulf of St. Lawrence — the MV Leif Ericson and the MV Caribou.
Capt. Herb Murrin was master of the Caribou for 18 years. During his time as captain he gained a lot of experience with the Crown corporation.
He doesn’t think the Caribou and Ericson are adequate for the Gulf run on their own, but he’d want to see traffic volumes before setting that opinion in stone.
He said the employees at Marine Atlantic are doing their best to clear the backlog caused by the mechanical problems with the Smallwood, but the amount of time spent in port is an issue.
The amount of time spent in port can vary with the type of traffic the ships carry, but he’s heard the boats are in port four or five hours before leaving again.
“Back in the day with the Caribou and the Smallwood, we’d turn the Caribou around in about an hour in the summer months, but we probably weren’t handling as many drop (trailers) as they’re handling now,” Murrin said. “The more drop traffic you handle, the more port time you have.
“... Moving traffic with a ship is the same as everything else, it all depends on how efficient you are.”
Meanwhile, the gale force winds predicted for the Gulf of St. Lawrence hadn’t held up the ships as of press time.
The trouble with the rudder
Tara Laing, communications officer with Marine Atlantic, said the Smallwood’s port rudder developed intermittent trouble last weekend and over the course of a few hours, the trouble worsened. The steering device on the port side of the ship stopped working, which lead to the decision to take the Smallwood out of service Sunday.
The passengers would not have noticed the problem, she said. The problem is near where the rudder connects with the ship. But to ensure optimum safety, it was decided to have the rudder repaired before resuming service.
“There are two rudders on this vessel,” Laing said. “Many vessels only have one. For us the optimal thing is to have the two rudders fully operational because the first priority is the safety of our ship, the people that travel with us and our crew, so that has to be fixed, especially given the sometimes harsh environment we travel in.
She said the Caribou and Ericson sailed on time Thursday morning thanks to good timing and a favourable wind direction. She said the southwesterly flow didn’t interrupt the service, and the captains were hopeful, based on the forecast, there wouldn’t be an interruption of the service later in the day.
She said with a bit of luck with the wind speed and direction at critical points in the crossing, there wouldn’t be a problem overnight.
“Wind speeds and directions tend to be most impacted when we’re entering and exiting port,” Laing said Thursday afternoon. “As of right now (Thursday afternoon) we’re continuing to travel.”
If the journeys overnight go as scheduled, by this morning the updated schedule should be re-booked. She said the process of letting people know their new reservation time and re-booking the boats is taking a little longer than they’d like because so many people are calling the customer service line looking for answers.
“When inquiries call in we have to move people from the re-booking process to responding to customers’ questions,” she said. “We are asking customers if you are travelling next week, hold off, we are committed to getting back to you with your updated sailing time.”
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 9, 2010 7:23:37 GMT -8
re Marine Atlantic: This isn't news to us here, because we've seen a few stories posted yesterday on this topic. However, just for fun, read the following short news-story, and then tell me whether you think that the news-writer assumes that "Joseph and Clara Smallwood" is the name of 1 ship, or is "Joseph" 1 ship and "Clara" is a 2nd ship? Hint: do the math, check the grammar and also know how many ships are in the fleet. from here: www.todaystrucking.com/news.cfm?intDocID=24785 |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 9, 2010 8:52:34 GMT -8
I'm not surprised somebody thought that. For the longest time, I thought that the J&C Smallwood was two vessels, too. Kind of an odd name for a ferry. Why wasn't she just named "MV Smallwood"?
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Post by plansea on Oct 9, 2010 10:58:18 GMT -8
Transportation exec says barge to avoid ferry woes was wise investment
Published on October 7th, 2010
Published on October 6th, 2010
Cliff Wells
The Western Star Staff Writer
MOUNT PEARL — A barge will be leaving Hamilton, Ont. Tuesday loaded with goods that otherwise would have come to the island via Marine Atlantic.
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Marine Atlantic , Newfoundland , Corner Brook , Ontario
Greer Hunt, president of Hunt’s Transportation, said the Crown corporation’s drawbacks are just one reason his company started using a barge to bring goods to Newfoundland from Ontario in July.
With the MV Joseph and Clara Smallwood out of commission with rudder trouble until Oct. 25, Hunt is pleased he started using a barge to bring freight for his Mount Pearl-based company.
This load of about 60 trailers will arrive in Argentia at the end of a seven-day trip.
Using Marine Atlantic, the freight would be in Corner Brook in about four days provided the service operates on schedule and reservations are available.
With Marine Atlantic is a part of the equation, he says he’s never sure how long it will take goods to get to the province.
“They’re making the trucking industry really try to get creative to move freight into the province whatever way they can,” Hunt said.
“We have trucks every day on that ferry and it’s been challenging to say the least.”
The next barge loads Monday and Tuesday. It’s the third barge so far. The company is scheduling loads for the next barge and the one after that. They are even considering adding a second barge to the schedule.
The company is investing in more trailers and special equipment to load the barges.
“There’s a few aspects to it, but Marine Atlantic is certainly the one that pushed me over the limit,” he said. “During the July tourist season we couldn’t even get answers on the phone, and they never had a website set up so you could book. It was really chaotic and that’s when we started looking at something else.”
They’re making the trucking industry really try to get creative to move freight into the province whatever way they can. - Greer Hunt, president
Hunt’s Transport has set up a barge division within the company and while it only transports its own trailers at this point, there has been plenty of interest from other companies wanting to transport trailers on the barge.
He said the Gulf ferry service doesn’t have enough capacity to deal with the unexpected.
“Right now they’re not taking any bookings, so that tells me they can’t keep up with it with two ferries,” he said. “As it gets into out winter months, two ferries is only just barely adequate, so if anything happens to one of them you’re really out of luck.
“With two ferries at this time of year, you’ve got no room for failure, so two ferries is not adequate.”
Meanwhile, Duane (Jake) McCarthy, a Corner Brook truck driver with Double G Trucking, managed to get himself out of a jam. He told the Western Star Monday he had a wide load to drive transport from Halifax to Newfoundland, but had no reservation to actually get across the Gulf to pick the load up.
He swapped reservations with another driver to get across in time on the Caribou.
“The should honour the reservations they’ve got now and open it up to a wait list. I can’t get a reservation until Oct. 22. I can’t park the truck for two weeks.”
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Post by ddh280 on Nov 24, 2010 10:41:43 GMT -8
MV Caribou completing service Friday Nov 26th. Story courtesy of the Cape Breton Post.I have attached a photo of Caribou i took in Sept in Port aux Basques, NFLD.
NORTH SYDNEY — The MV Caribou, a vessel that has served the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia since 1986, will make her final voyage later this week.
Topics : Marine Atlantic , MV Blue Puttees , North Sydney , Port aux Basques , Canada
The Caribou is currently scheduled to leave North Sydney for the final time Thursday at 10:30 p.m., with the last scheduled sailing from Port aux Basques to depart at 11:30 a.m. Friday.
The Caribou will be decommissioned and berthed at an alternate site in North Sydney until future plans for her sale are finalized.
During her 24 years of service, it’s estimated the Caribou made more than 16,000 trips, carried approximately 3,000,000 passengers and over 2,000,000 vehicles.
“The retirement of the MV Caribou from the fleet will certainly be a bittersweet day within our corporation,” said Marine Atlantic’s president and CEO Wayne Follett. “While we are very excited about the potential of our new vessels and moving toward a modern and efficient fleet to better service our customers, we have many fond memories of the MV Caribou and the service she provided over the past 24 years. While the time has come to replace her, we will always recognize the contribution she made to our fleet during her years of service.”
The Caribou made its inaugural voyage May 12, 1986, crossing the Gulf of St. Lawrence from North Sydney to Port aux Basques. Displacing over 16,000 tonnes and measuring 179 metres in length, the Caribou was the largest ferry ever built in Canada when it entered service. The vessel was named in memory of the SS Caribou that was sunk by German U-boats in the Second World War, killing 137 passengers and crew.
“This vessel has been the flagship of our fleet for many years and we will keep her memory alive and well within MAI.”
The retirement of the Caribou marks another milestone in the transition to a modern and efficient fleet with the arrival of the MV Blue Puttees and the MV Highlanders.
Marine Atlantic is expected to take delivery of the Blue Puttees in early December followed by the Highlanders later in the new year.
“It is fair to say that capacity this summer was just not there to keep up with the demand,” Follett said. “We are very excited about the new fleet. It will significantly expand our capacity, increase our on time service and provide the customers with more modem amenities.”
The Leif Ericson is expected to undergo a mid-life refit in January which will cost approximately $17 million.
“In the spring Marine Atlantic will have a totally renewed fleet with larger capacity and a much higher level of dependability,” he said. “At Marine Atlantic we are very excited to be able to move to an improved level of service starting in 2011.”
jcollins@cbpost.com
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Post by Neil on Nov 24, 2010 11:43:45 GMT -8
Jeez. The Caribou, retired at 24.
Out here on the west coast, geriatric rustbuckets just get a coat of paint, some new hull plating and some engineering upgrades, and they're good to go for two more decades.
24 is almost still a newbuild by our standards.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 24, 2010 15:34:19 GMT -8
Jeez. The Caribou, retired at 24. Out here on the west coast, geriatric rustbuckets just get a coat of paint, some new hull plating and some engineering upgrades, and they're good to go for two more decades. 24 is almost still a newbuild by our standards. Think of it this way: We'd be retiring the Spirits, which I still consider fairly new, in 7 years, and our C-class would already be gone. Seems like a bit of a waste. |
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Post by Neil on Nov 24, 2010 17:24:07 GMT -8
Jeez. The Caribou, retired at 24. Out here on the west coast, geriatric rustbuckets just get a coat of paint, some new hull plating and some engineering upgrades, and they're good to go for two more decades. 24 is almost still a newbuild by our standards. Think of it this way: We'd be retiring the Spirits, which I still consider fairly new, in 7 years, and our C-class would already be gone. Seems like a bit of a waste. 'Waste' or not, most of the ferries on our coast wouldn't even be allowed to carry passengers in European waters. Canada and the U.S. have lagged behing other industrialized countries in adopting and enforcing IMO standards for modern ship construction and safety standards, and we continue to 'grandfather' boats which don't measure up. DFDS, one of the big European carriers, has a fleet with an average age of less than ten years. Brittany's oldest boat is 21 years, and most of the other carriers are probably similar if not younger. Here, you get Tenaka going in for more patch up work on a rotten hull, and in Washington a couple of years ago you had floating sieves squiring people back and forth across Puget Sound. Ah, but the fans love 'em, and in a market that's too small to support competition, there's little incentive for public carriers to bring fleets up to international standards. I agree, it would seem bizarre by our standards to retire the Spirits in seven years. After all, they'll still be floating. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 25, 2010 21:01:27 GMT -8
Think of it this way: We'd be retiring the Spirits, which I still consider fairly new, in 7 years, and our C-class would already be gone. Seems like a bit of a waste. 'Waste' or not, most of the ferries on our coast wouldn't even be allowed to carry passengers in European waters. Canada and the U.S. have lagged behing other industrialized countries in adopting and enforcing IMO standards for modern ship construction and safety standards, and we continue to 'grandfather' boats which don't measure up. ......Here, you get Tenaka going in for more patch up work on a rotten hull...... Ouch! Poor Tenaka... And I thought that he actually liked her  . |
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Post by Neil on Nov 28, 2010 11:18:23 GMT -8
'Waste' or not, most of the ferries on our coast wouldn't even be allowed to carry passengers in European waters. Canada and the U.S. have lagged behing other industrialized countries in adopting and enforcing IMO standards for modern ship construction and safety standards, and we continue to 'grandfather' boats which don't measure up. ......Here, you get Tenaka going in for more patch up work on a rotten hull...... Ouch! Poor Tenaka... And I thought that he actually liked her . I do. the fan in me loves the poor old Tenaka, and most of her rusty kin. The dispassionate observer in me notices that other countries and companies have different standards for determining when vessels get replaced. |
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Dec 24, 2010 4:44:39 GMT -8
www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/12/23/marine-atlantic-backlog-123.html
Ferry passengers moving, trucks delayedHundreds of Marine Atlantic passengers are expected to arrive in Nova Scotia late Thursday night, following days of disrupted ferry service due to stormy weather. As of a 6:00 p.m. NT update on Marine Atlantic's website, the Joseph and Clara Smallwood was scheduled to arrive in North Sydney at 11:30 p.m. AT. It was the first crossing since the Crown corporation docked its fleet on Monday because of high winds and rough seas. The website also had details on two other Marine Atlantic vessels. It said the Atlantic Vision had arrived in Nova Scotia but was holding in port, while the Leif Ericson had arrived as scheduled at 1:45 p.m. AT. Although both the Leif Ericson and Atlantic Vision were supposed to be on a load-and-go basis, it was unclear when the vessels will set sail again. A fierce winter storm, which had winds peaking at well over 100 km/h and waves cresting at nine metres, effectively shut down the ferry service, threatening travel plans for at least 800 passengers and likely preventing the delivery of some mail and parcels before Christmas. Marine Atlantic said it hoped to have the passenger backlog cleared Thursday night, but was still unable to predict when commercial traffic will be taken care of. The disruption has meant several anxious days for travellers, including Debbie Pretty, who was stuck in Nova Scotia with her husband and their three young children, all waiting to visit her grandparents in Newfoundland's Trinity Bay. 'It's heartbreaking' "It almost felt as if someone had died — it was bad," said Pretty, describing how the family's Christmas spirit vanished Monday when they arrived in North Sydney after a 20-hour drive from Ontario. She said she has found it especially difficult when strangers in North Sydney have asked her three children — all of whom are under eight — if they are waiting for Santa. "They're just [saying] 'yes,' and meanwhile I have to walk away, I can't listen to it," Pretty told CBC News Wednesday. "It's heartbreaking." The family checked out of a hotel late Wednesday in hopes of being able to cross Thursday. "My family were saying, you know, Christmas is not Christmas until you guys get here, but I don't know how much more I can handle," she said. The Crown coporation said the lengthy delays have been trying for them as well. "It's not an easy thing to accept. We're used to having delays — we operate in a pretty harsh area. But we're used to having 12 and 18 hour delays," said Laing.
www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/12/24/winds-ferry-marine-atlantic-124.html
Winds hamper Marine Atlantic ferriesMarine Atlantic's efforts to clear a backlog of traffic in both Nova Scotia and southern Newfoundland were hampered Friday as a stubborn storm continued to howl. The Crown corporation's largest vessel, the Atlantic Vision, remains docked in North Sydney. Marine Atlantic had hoped to be able to dispatch the vessel on Thursday night with a full load of commercial traffic, but conditions were still too rough in the Cabot Strait for a safe crossing. Marine Atlantic has been able to move other traffic since Wednesday night, albeit at reduced speeds. The ferry Leif Ericson left Port aux Basques for Cape Breton early Friday morning, and the Joseph and Clara Smallwood is expected to arrive in Port aux Basques from North Sydney mid-morning Friday. Marine Atlantic had 800 reservations to deal with when it parked its ferries Monday night amid a storm that eventually brought winds well over 100 km/h and waves cresting at nine metres in height. The disruption has affected the Christmas holiday plans for scores of families, and postponed the delivery of mail and parcels.
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Post by blackshadow on Dec 31, 2010 15:20:45 GMT -8
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Post by ghYHZ on Jan 5, 2011 17:14:28 GMT -8
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Post by gulfspan on Jan 16, 2011 17:59:17 GMT -8
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Post by blackshadow on Feb 28, 2011 12:45:57 GMT -8
Highlander has departed shipyard end of last week and due to arrive in North Sydney on March 3rd.
Also Carbou is said to be moving to Sid Port within days to make room for Smallwood which is making its last sailing today. It is also said Iving Oil has made condition offer to be transformed into oil tanker. This information can be found on ship's spotting.
Blue Puttees takes over for the Smallwood tomorrow for the first time.
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Post by timo on May 29, 2011 9:28:00 GMT -8
Just a thought. I have heard rumours on this side of the pond that especially the CARIBOU has reached her "game over" when it comes to the machinery. Is it true or just a false rumour? Anyway, the thought, as always when considering used or new tonnage the question must be is it worth the money and the effort to re-engine and lengthen, as the CARIBOU and her weirdly named sister must be rather bad ships to lengthen. I do not mean this from a technical point of view - but from a capacity point of view. Although I have General Arrangement plans of some 2000 vessels (mostly ferries) these two I have never even seen a glimpse of, but I understand they have rather wide side casings making the usable space on the car deck rather narrow - and reducing the capacity. This should make that no matter what you would have done to her, she would have been a compromise. Compare this with the BC Ferries that have been if not excellently then at least acceptably designed originally, making it possible to enlarge them in almost all directions. I admit though that I am once again impressed by the ability of Stena Line to design ships that can be used almost anywhere in almost anyway. They call it Stenability... and not without good cause. They are not beautiful, but they will surely function well. Then again, the ships they replaced were no beauties either. Who was responsible for those funnels? I was rather curious to the start they had with the ATLANTIC VISION (remember, I have worked on her sister) and although the class is underpowered when it comes to bow thruster capacity, they have worked well. Immediately when arriving in Canada they tried to burn her and had a lot of teething problems (or so it seems to have been reported by the press). Somehow I have a feeling that these were the usual troubles a new crew have with a second hand vessel - it takes time to understand the systems. And there are quite a few things to learn on a ship of this size, so things tend to happen. |
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Post by Mill Bay on May 29, 2011 13:50:47 GMT -8
There are very few of us here who could truly speculate as to the CARIBOU's condition and remaining life expectancy, but I did find this series of photos illustrating some the hardships she faces. Surely a ferry that faces conditions of this sort on a regular basis may eventually suffer from the stress. ourecho.com/story-1573--THE-MV-CARIBOU-.shtml |
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