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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 10:16:01 GMT -8
New vessels already in service:
Kuper
Northern Adventure
CR
Here is a quote from the BCFS annual report for the other new vessels:
Over the five-year period ending March 2013, we will bring six new vessels into service with an aggregate cost of $845 million, of which $405 million has been expended to March 31, 2008. These vessels include:
• two additional Super C-class vessels, the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration;
• two northern vessels, the Northern Expedition and Northern Discovery;
• an intermediate class ferry, the Island Sky; and
• a minor vessel to replace the Tenaka.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 10:50:10 GMT -8
I am most curious to see what kind of vessel they will design to replace the Tenaka. I also wonder why they chose to replace her first, over the QQ2, NIP or Tachek??
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 13, 2008 10:51:31 GMT -8
see this existing thread (post#38) for some of the same quotes: ferriesbc.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=bcferriesnews&action=display&thread=1696&page=2I wasn't sure if you'd seen that existing thread yet, so if you yearn for more from the annual report, it's in that other thread. re the issue of the new vessels expected in the current 5-year-service-term: - the Tenaka one surprised me, just because she's the first of the minor vessels for which I've now seen a recent comment re replacement. I'm really interested in what type of design they will use for replacing the raised-bow minor vessels. Did anything pique your interest, Ferry-traveler? --------- [late edit to say that obviously Ferry-traveler and I are thinking of the exact same thing at the exact same time - scary... ;D] |
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 10:59:52 GMT -8
hahah yes we seem to be. I did see your posting of that report so i thought a new thread would be good for this discussion.
But I do think this new minor vessel will be the template for the other minor vessels when they are replaced. Don't forget BCFS has said they want to replace the Tenaka, Tachek, QQ2 and NIP all with new 60 AEQ vessels.
This is exciting to hear because like Flugel said, this is the first minor vessel we have heard about being replaced.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 13, 2008 11:16:03 GMT -8
I also wonder why they chose to replace her first, over the QQ2, NIP or Tachek?? Simple, The Tenaka was Built in 1964, while the Tachek/QQII were built in 1969. The NIP was built in 1958, but converted to a catamaran in 1971. Hope that answers it. |
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 11:31:02 GMT -8
yes thats true but:
the NIP was scheduled for replacement in 2005/2006
the Tachek is scheduled for replacement in 2012/2013
The Tenaka is scheduled for replacement in 2009/2010
The QQ2 is scheduled for replacement in 2013/2014
Though that was with the original Coastal Ferries Contract. So it is subject to change as we have all seen.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jun 13, 2008 12:38:51 GMT -8
But the major repairs the NIP received when it was discovered how rotten her hull was may have revised the replacement schedule significantly.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 12:52:47 GMT -8
yes that is quite true and probably why it won't be replaced for a few more years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2008 15:15:35 GMT -8
Last i heard they would replace about 21 vessels is that true?
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 15:31:16 GMT -8
they are replacing 19 more vessels over the next 10 years.
These will include all the minor vessels, all northern vessels and all intermediate vessels and most major vessels.
The vessels that will still be around when it is finished will be the Two Spirits, 5 C Class vessels, the Capilano and Cumberland and the Skeena Queen
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 13, 2008 15:45:30 GMT -8
New vessels already in service: Kuper Northern Adventure CR Referring to the Kuper and NorAd as 'new' is a bit of a stretch. The Kuper had already seen 10 years of service in a previous life before her purchase by BCFS. As for the NorAd, she had about 2.5 years of service under her belt at time ofd purchase. However, due to lack of care, it is as if BCFS had bought a much older vessel. |
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jun 13, 2008 15:51:01 GMT -8
Well that is true West Coast Kid, but at the same time, they are not ferries that are going to be replaced by something else in the near future. So in that aspect they are "newish". So we can probably expect about 25-30 years of service from them.
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Post by Hardy on Jun 13, 2008 16:36:02 GMT -8
So we can probably expect about 25-30 years of service from them. ... or with respect to the NorAd, 15 years of service life with 15 additional years of refit time... |
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Post by Nucksrule on Jun 20, 2008 20:03:38 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see where all the minor vessels go after replacement. I would think they would be sold, maybe scrapped. Possibly some will be kept around?
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Post by Mill Bay on Jun 20, 2008 21:46:23 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see where all the minor vessels go after replacement. I would think they would be sold, maybe scrapped. Possibly some will be kept around? If i have the money, I will but the Tenaka when she is retired and turn her into a private residence ;D. |
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Post by markkarj on Jul 10, 2008 16:46:14 GMT -8
So we can probably expect about 25-30 years of service from them. ... or with respect to the NorAd, 15 years of service life with 15 additional years of refit time... In my old age, my brain has failed me... so I don't remember whether I'd asked this earlier. This could easily fit under the Nor-Ad thread, but I'll ask it here... Did BC Ferries get ultimately more than it bargained for out of the Nor-Ad, or had they planned on getting a ship that would seemingly have as many hiccups with the thought that time would work them all out? If they got more than they bargained for, how could they have botched the purchase of a ship so badly? One would think they would have all sorts of processes to inspect and do due diligence with a purchase of that size. |
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 11, 2008 18:51:39 GMT -8
Mark, these are excellent questions to which I have no answers.
BCFS could provide the answers if they were at least a little bit open & honest with their ultimate owners, the citizens of BC.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Jul 21, 2008 18:15:16 GMT -8
so has anyone heard or been able to dig any more information about the next 19 or so vessels to be built in the next 10 years, cause time is ticking for them to meet that target. Maybe they now plan to build less due to the cost of steel ? I mean we should at least be designing them now if we want them built in the next 2 years! I suspect when the new build program keeps going, many minor vessels will be next on the build list, with the Tenaka being the first, but as for design, who knows  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2008 17:38:37 GMT -8
Re New Vessels through 2013
What type of ship would best would best serve the discovery coast and yet be available for alternate routes? The present Queen of Chilliwack lacks many conveniences mainly cabin availability and it is so slow....but yet it allows fairly easy egress of kyaks etc. when required and certainly the crew tries to make up for her discrepancies.
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Post by Mike C on Sept 26, 2008 20:43:04 GMT -8
Re New Vessels through 2013 What type of ship would best would best serve the discovery coast and yet be available for alternate routes? The present Queen of Chilliwack lacks many conveniences mainly cabin availability and it is so slow....but yet it allows fairly easy egress of kyaks etc. when required and certainly the crew tries to make up for her discrepancies. That's the thing. The type of ship needed to serve those north coast routes must have water-tight doors and such. I'm not really aware of the TC requirements for open-water ferries, but I can tell you, the Queen of Chilliwack is not it. The only way to have a fast ferry is to have a bow much like the Queens of Prince Rupert or The North. Although I don't really see the need for a super-fast ship on those routes, it would be nice. As for cabin availability, which is definitely an issue that needs to be addressed in this system, you will need a setup like a cruise ship or another northern ferry: Having set aside a considerable amount of deck space, usually an entire deck needs to be put towards cabins. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2008 21:29:17 GMT -8
ship's now in service
NORAD
Kuper
Island sky
CR
CI
CC momentarily
Ship's on the way
NOREX
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Post by DENelson83 on Sept 28, 2008 17:23:07 GMT -8
The Island Sky is not yet in service either.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 26, 2009 2:38:06 GMT -8
I've heard rumours of two intermediate vessels for the rupert to Charlotte's route. They would be there full time, so both the norad and the norex could service the inside passage during the summer. I have no idea if any of this is true, and i have no reliable sources, but i have heard rumours..... i think they were going to be called something like 'Northern Excursion', and 'Northern Explorer'
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 26, 2009 4:13:33 GMT -8
I've heard rumours of two intermediate vessels for the rupert to Charlotte's route. They would be there full time, so both the norad and the norex could service the inside passage during the summer. I have no idea if any of this is true, and i have no reliable sources, but i have heard rumours..... i think they were going to be called something like 'Northern Excursion', and 'Northern Explorer' What you've heard is the Ford rumour. Expedition, Explorer, Excursion. Get ready for the Northern Escape too. Also the Northern Focus, and maybe the Northern Fiesta. However I'm eagerly awaiting the Northern Pinto and all of its explosive potential in serving the north. |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 26, 2009 6:26:34 GMT -8
I've heard rumours of two intermediate vessels for the rupert to Charlotte's route. They would be there full time, so both the norad and the norex could service the inside passage during the summer. I have no idea if any of this is true, and i have no reliable sources, but i have heard rumours..... i think they were going to be called something like 'Northern Excursion', and 'Northern Explorer' What you've heard is the Ford rumour. Expedition, Explorer, Excursion. Get ready for the Northern Escape too. Also the Northern Focus, and maybe the Northern Fiesta. However I'm eagerly awaiting the Northern Pinto and all of its explosive potential in serving the north. Someone started with a double espresso this morning.  In college my buddy had a Pinto hatchback in a horrible brown colour. For his birthday we went to the army surplus store in Edmonton and actually found some used firefighter gear and bought it all up for his gifts. We also paid a local artist we knew to paint Boom on the each door with an explosive caption box around it. Similar to what you sould see on the original batman series when there was a fight and the words Kapow etc. would be used so you actually didn't see any fighting  > . He laughed so hard, he actually paid the artist a few bucks to use real paint rather than the waterbased stuff we had the guy use. |
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