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Post by FNS on Mar 18, 2019 21:49:32 GMT -8
So over the course of the weekend: Kaleetan, Puyallup, Chimacum were pulled from service Tokitae returned to service at Mukilteo, bumping Suquamish down to Kingston where it bumped the Chimacum. Walla Walla returned to service running at Bainbridge, bumping Puyallup. Two boat service on the Triangle, with Sealth going to Bremerton bumping the Kaleetan. (Pre-existing oddity: Samish is on Bremerton, with Hyak as the #3 in the San Juans) Why could have just sent the Tokitae to Kingston instead of unnecessary moving the Saquamish? Saquamish? I think you meant SUQUAMISH. I think she wants to be a few miles closer to her namesake town for awhile. Also, TOKITAE's upperworks were built on Whidbey Island. SUQUAMISH's upperworks were built in Tacoma. I think the SUQUAMISH is designated to move around the Salish Sea during the off season.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 19, 2019 6:17:23 GMT -8
I think I meant to check all the spelling on this. You passed and get the badge. The prize is in the mail. Why could have just sent the Tokitae to Kingston instead of unnecessary moving the Saquamish? Saquamish? I think you meant SUQUAMISH. I think she wants to be a few miles closer to her namesake town for awhile. Also, TOKITAE's upperworks were built on Whidbey Island. SUQUAMISH's upperworks were built in Tacoma. I think the SUQUAMISH is designated to move around the Salish Sea during the off season.
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Post by elwharust on Mar 19, 2019 12:21:19 GMT -8
I thought the wally had to low passenger cap for bainbridge?
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Post by lavalamp on Mar 19, 2019 12:54:45 GMT -8
The passenger capacity of the Supers was downgraded a few years ago because the Coast Guard increased how much an "average person" weighed for the purposes of stability calculations. Since then WSF has used the Jumbos to back up Bainbridge when necessary.
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 19, 2019 13:05:18 GMT -8
I thought the wally had to low passenger cap for bainbridge? The supers used to have a higher passenger capacity than the Jumbos (2500 vs. 2000), but as regulations have gotten stricter over the years (I'm guessing this is the reason), the passenger capacities on the ferries have been reduced over time. WSDOT's fleet page lists Elwha, Hyak, and Yakima at 2000 for passengers, and Kaleetan's is 1868. Spokane and Walla Walla have passenger capacities of 2000, so that makes them more-or-less equal to the Supers now. Given the high volumes of both passengers and vehicles on WSF's #1 route (SEA-BAI), it makes sense to have nothing smaller than a Jumbo operating there. After all, they carry around 44 more vehicles than a Super, and that is not insignificant. On a side note, I seem to recall seeing, or hearing, that the actual passenger capacity of ALL of the Super Class ferries is really much closer to the 1868 number listed for Kaleetan, but don't quote me on that since I cannot seem to recall where I heard or saw that.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 20, 2019 15:05:48 GMT -8
I thought the wally had to low passenger cap for bainbridge? The supers used to have a higher passenger capacity than the Jumbos (2500 vs. 2000), but as regulations have gotten stricter over the years (I'm guessing this is the reason), the passenger capacities on the ferries have been reduced over time. WSDOT's fleet page lists Elwha, Hyak, and Yakima at 2000 for passengers, and Kaleetan's is 1868. Spokane and Walla Walla have passenger capacities of 2000, so that makes them more-or-less equal to the Supers now. Given the high volumes of both passengers and vehicles on WSF's #1 route (SEA-BAI), it makes sense to have nothing smaller than a Jumbo operating there. After all, they carry around 44 more vehicles than a Super, and that is not insignificant. On a side note, I seem to recall seeing, or hearing, that the actual passenger capacity of ALL of the Super Class ferries is really much closer to the 1868 number listed for Kaleetan, but don't quote me on that since I cannot seem to recall where I heard or saw that. The Supers had their passenger counts lowered when Americans got heavier. No joke. The capacity calculations were changed when they revised the weight of the average passenger from 160 lbs to 185. It ought to be interesting; we're due for another review of that figure (they planned on doing so every ten years).
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Post by elwharust on Mar 20, 2019 22:22:01 GMT -8
When is the CHETZEMOKA scheduled to go in for her annual maintenance?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 20, 2019 23:02:50 GMT -8
When is the CHETZEMOKA scheduled to go in for her annual maintenance? According to the layup schedule posted on the previous page, she was supposed to go in this week (annual inspection is scheduled for the first week of April). For some reason, the Puyallup (pulled from service this past weekend for unspecified reasons) is currently moored at Terminal 5 in Seattle.
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Post by FNS on Mar 21, 2019 4:11:49 GMT -8
When is the CHETZEMOKA scheduled to go in for her annual maintenance? According to the layup schedule posted on the previous page, she was supposed to go in this week (annual inspection is scheduled for the first week of April). For some reason, the Puyallup (pulled from service this past weekend for unspecified reasons) is currently moored at Terminal 5 in Seattle. Terminal 5 in Seattle was where a fleet of big Sea-Land container ships made their calls before moving to Tacoma in the 1980s.
It would require more than two Jumbo Mark II ferries moored end to end to match the length of the former handsome SL-7 container ships, such as the SEA-LAND COMMERCE. Those fast giants measured 946 feet in length. They were turned over to the military operations after their careers were done with Sea-Land. Those were my all time favorite container ships!
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 29, 2019 13:40:05 GMT -8
For this past week, I've noticed that the Walla Walla has been on the Seattle-Bremerton route. This may not seem like a big deal but I've also noticed that the Suquamish is on the Edmonds-Kingston route, which is weird because it seems like the Walla Walla should be up there and the Suquamish should be on the Bremerton run. Why hasn't WSF swapped the routes for these two vessels?
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Mar 29, 2019 16:41:03 GMT -8
For this past week, I've noticed that the Walla Walla has been on the Seattle-Bremerton route. This may not seem like a big deal but I've also noticed that the Suquamish is on the Edmonds-Kingston route, which is weird because it seems like the Walla Walla should be up there and the Suquamish should be on the Bremerton run. Why hasn't WSF swapped the routes for these two vessels? Because the Puyallup is due back any day now, and the Walla Walla is needed at Bremerton. If WSF sent Walla Walla to Kingston right now, it would need to go back to Bremerton within a couple of days, making for an expensive and largely unnessacary vessel move. ===== I have an updated version of the Layup Board on my laptop that I will be posting later tonight. Among other things, I can confirm that Puyallup is due back at Kingston by Monday, and that the rumors of an upcoming Chimacum F-V-S stint are in fact true.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 31, 2019 15:38:46 GMT -8
Hopefully you can post the new schedule soon. Many changes since the last one. Thank you!
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Post by sounder on Mar 31, 2019 16:48:55 GMT -8
For this past week, I've noticed that the Walla Walla has been on the Seattle-Bremerton route. This may not seem like a big deal but I've also noticed that the Suquamish is on the Edmonds-Kingston route, which is weird because it seems like the Walla Walla should be up there and the Suquamish should be on the Bremerton run. Why hasn't WSF swapped the routes for these two vessels? Because the Puyallup is due back any day now, and the Walla Walla is needed at Bremerton. If WSF sent Walla Walla to Kingston right now, it would need to go back to Bremerton within a couple of days, making for an expensive and largely unnessacary vessel move. ===== I have an updated version of the Layup Board on my laptop that I will be posting later tonight. Among other things, I can confirm that Puyallup is due back at Kingston by Monday, and that the rumors of an upcoming Chimacum F-V-S stint are in fact true. The Chimacum has now replaced the Cathlamet at F-V-S
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Mar 31, 2019 18:46:18 GMT -8
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Post by hergfest on Mar 31, 2019 21:18:53 GMT -8
Looks like the Hyak is planned to be decommissioned in October and the Tillikum will be in permanent relief/emergency fill in.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 13, 2019 18:25:26 GMT -8
Per WSF Emails to me, for the week of June 24, the Port Townsend/Coupeville will operate with just the Kennewick while the Salish provides relief for the Tillikum as Interisland Vessel. The Cathlamet will replace the Kitsap at Vashon as both the Kitsap and Tillikum need various engine repairs.
June 24 to June 30: A1 - Chelan A2 - Yakima A3 - Samish A4 - Salish A5 - Elwha
PT1 - Kennewick PT2 - N/A
FVS - Issaquah, Kittitas, Cathlamet
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 13, 2019 18:26:02 GMT -8
Looks like the Hyak is planned to be decommissioned in October and the Tillikum will be in permanent relief/emergency fill in. The Hyak is being retired on June 30 actually. No relief period will be extended to October unfortunately.
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Post by Edmondsguy on Jun 14, 2019 15:18:00 GMT -8
Looks like the Hyak is planned to be decommissioned in October and the Tillikum will be in permanent relief/emergency fill in. The Hyak is being retired on June 17 actually. No relief period will be extended to October unfortunately. Yep and as a result on the June 18th Mukilteo- Clinton Will have one boat as the Tokitae must undergo a Coast Guard mandated inspection and will be out of service from 9 a.m. to about 3:35 p.m. With no replacement vessels available to supplement service.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 20, 2019 11:08:05 GMT -8
Per WSF Emails to me, for the week of June 24, the Port Townsend/Coupeville will operate with just the Kennewick while the Salish provides relief for the Tillikum as Interisland Vessel. The Cathlamet will replace the Kitsap at Vashon as both the Kitsap and Tillikum need various engine repairs. June 24 to June 30:A1 - Chelan A2 - Yakima A3 - Samish A4 - Salish A5 - Elwha PT1 - Kennewick PT2 - N/A FVS - Issaquah, Kittitas, Cathlamet I wonder if the Cathlamet will be back in service by the 24th. She's still at Vigor and still had tarps covering the upper deck areas as of this past Sunday.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jun 20, 2019 13:40:09 GMT -8
Per WSF Emails to me, for the week of June 24, the Port Townsend/Coupeville will operate with just the Kennewick while the Salish provides relief for the Tillikum as Interisland Vessel. The Cathlamet will replace the Kitsap at Vashon as both the Kitsap and Tillikum need various engine repairs. June 24 to June 30:A1 - Chelan A2 - Yakima A3 - Samish A4 - Salish A5 - Elwha PT1 - Kennewick PT2 - N/A FVS - Issaquah, Kittitas, Cathlamet I wonder if the Cathlamet will be back in service by the 24th. She's still at Vigor and still had tarps covering the upper deck areas as of this past Sunday. Cathlamet is now expected to be out of the yard about July 3. Chimacum will fill in AGAIN from June 24 through Cathlamet's return.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jul 11, 2019 10:51:12 GMT -8
So I've just confirmed, the Samish will swap with the Tokitae overnight due to the Samish's broken water pump that has resulted in horrible delays. WSF did not specify a length of time for this swap, but the Suquamish will be replaced by the Kitsap on Monday so it'll be interesting to see if the Samish sticks around that long.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 11, 2019 11:14:11 GMT -8
So I've just confirmed, the Samish will swap with the Tokitae overnight due to the Samish's broken water pump that has resulted in horrible delays. WSF did not specify a length of time for this swap, but the Suquamish will be replaced by the Kitsap on Monday so it'll be interesting to see if the Samish sticks around that long. That's good, because yesterday Samish was running over 2 hours late by the evening, and they actually ended up cancelling its last round trip. I'm going to Orcas Saturday for the day, so if Tokitae is running in its place, there's at least a chance it will be closer to on-time.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 11, 2019 12:03:01 GMT -8
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Post by Edmondsguy on Jul 16, 2019 12:54:56 GMT -8
Yes, and it's awful! Samish is running about once every 40 mins. Then Kitsap is here now also cutting us down even more. And the Restrooms on the Clinton Dock are out of service. We are the Red Head Step child right now. There was also the "Oops we forget to ask for funding to open the Sundeck this year from the State."
Makes me miss the Days of having 3 boats that were smaller.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Jul 16, 2019 17:09:17 GMT -8
Yes, and it's awful! Samish is running about once every 40 mins. Then Kitsap is here now also cutting us down even more. And the Restrooms on the Clinton Dock are out of service. We are the Red Head Step child right now. There was also the "Oops we forget to ask for funding to open the Sundeck this year from the State." Makes me miss the Days of having 3 boats that were smaller. Tokitae comes back tomorrow, now that the Samish completed sea trials today. Kitsap will head off to service relief again.
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